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  • laundrymom
    Advanced Daycare.com Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 4177

    #46
    Originally posted by daycare57
    and what if......i must be in eyesight??? Within reach??? Are you crazy???
    Sight and sound for me for the last 12 years. If I can do it, anyone can. Yes. Sight and sound from drop off of the first to pick up of the last. I'm licensed for 10. I keep 10. Every day.

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      #47
      Originally posted by laundrymom

      No Member Here Let A Child Die.
      Calm down. Accept the advice you're being given.
      Look below in this thread, a member let a child die by placing them in a closet strapped improperly so it strangled. So everyone assumes I am lucky my child didn't die...really?? And what advice, a couple people said don't fight it, but most posts are just cutting me down like I'm totally stupid and not nearly as smart as they are. Had they stayed on track and not started about a child dying in a chair, I wouldn't have gotten upset!!
      Last edited by Blackcat31; 09-15-2015, 12:10 PM.

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        #48
        Originally posted by laundrymom
        Sight and sound for me for the last 12 years. If I can do it, anyone can. Yes. Sight and sound from drop off of the first to pick up of the last. I'm licensed for 10. I keep 10. Every day.
        Well, we are not allowed to have 10, so there must be something wrong in your state and as soon as one of your kids gets a bruise the law will be changed to less kids....really, that's what I was told!

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        • Rockgirl
          Daycare.com Member
          • May 2013
          • 2204

          #49
          Originally posted by daycare57

          Look below in this thread, a member let a child die by placing them in a closet strapped improperly so it strangled. So everyone assumes I am lucky my child didn't die...really?? And what advice, a couple people said don't fight it, but most posts are just cutting me down like I'm totally stupid and not nearly as smart as they are. Had they stayed on track and not started about a child dying in a chair, I wouldn't have gotten upset!!
          It wasn't a member here that had the child die in the closet. There was a discussion about that provider, but it wasn't one of our members.
          Last edited by Blackcat31; 09-15-2015, 12:10 PM.

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          • Unregistered

            #50
            Originally posted by daycare57

            YES i AM SURE TEXAS WILL CHANGE THE LAW BECAUSE I CAUSED A CHILD TO SUFFER 2 BRUISES!! WHERE DO YOU ALL COME FROM THAT YOU ARE HOLIER THAN THOU???? I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH CRITICS BUT YOU ALL JUST BLASTED ME ABOUT THE CHAIR WHICH WAS NOT AN ISSUE. MY MISTAKE AFTER YOUR MEMBER LET A CHILD DIE. IT WASN'T ME!!!
            Yes there are a few holy rollers on here who think their poo doesn't stink. Fact is more then a few have had violations, not that big of a deal. I don't think any member let a child die, there was a tragic accident that shouldn't have happened but that's another thread.

            Ignore the less then cordial, all we can do is try to have the safest environment possible, and try to foresee unsafe conditions. I'm pretty sure many if not most have made a mistake or two.
            Last edited by Blackcat31; 09-15-2015, 12:11 PM.

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            • Cat Herder
              Advanced Daycare.com Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 13744

              #51
              First deep breaths.

              I said we just talked about this same TOPIC yesterday. Letting a toddler sleep strapped in a chair.

              Not a judgement, a fact. Millions of people still do it. It is not good. The education needs to get out there.

              I am not holier than thou. I am a mother whose baby laid dead in the back room, alone, of a child care providers home for 4 hours until she noticed.

              I am a childcare provider who now likes to teach this Topic

              It was not a judgement. It was a statement. One that I say here a couple hundred times a year.

              Show of hands who have read it from me in the last 5 years... :hug:
              - Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.

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              • laundrymom
                Advanced Daycare.com Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 4177

                #52
                Originally posted by daycare57
                Well, we are not allowed to have 10, so there must be something wrong in your state and as soon as one of your kids gets a bruise the law will be changed to less kids....really, that's what I was told!
                I'm allowed 12 actually. But limit myself to 10. :-)
                I really hope OP takes some advice and possibly a safe sleep course. If she feels she truly didn't misuse the rocker maybe a letter to manufacturer for clarification would help everyone.
                Have a great day ladies (and Dave) see you tomorrow. We are off to make nature collages.

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                • laundrymom
                  Advanced Daycare.com Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 4177

                  #53
                  Originally posted by cat herder
                  first deep breaths.

                  I said we just talked about this same topic yesterday. Letting a toddler sleep strapped in a chair.

                  Not a judgement, a fact. Millions of people still do it. It is not good. The education needs to get out there.

                  I am not holier than though. i am a mother whose baby laid dead in the back room, alone of a child care providers home for 4 hours until she noticed.

                  i am a childcare provider who now like to teach this topic

                  it was not a judgement. It was a statement. One that i say here a couple hundred times a year.

                  Show of hands who have read it from me in the last 5 years... :hug:
                  ✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻

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                  • nanglgrl
                    Daycare.com Member
                    • Jul 2012
                    • 1700

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Cat Herder
                    First deep breaths.

                    I said we just talked about this same TOPIC yesterday. Letting a toddler sleep strapped in a chair.

                    Not a judgement, a fact. Millions of people still do it. It is not good. The education needs to get out there.

                    I am not holier than though. I am a mother whose baby laid dead in the back room, alone of a child care providers home for 4 hours until she noticed.

                    I am a childcare provider who now like to teach this Topic

                    It was not a judgement. It was a statement. One that I say here a couple hundred times a year.

                    Show of hands who have read it from me in the last 5 years... :hug:
                    this is the only hand I could find!

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                    • mommyneedsadayoff
                      Daycare.com Member
                      • Jan 2015
                      • 1754

                      #55
                      Originally posted by daycare57

                      YES i AM SURE TEXAS WILL CHANGE THE LAW BECAUSE I CAUSED A CHILD TO SUFFER 2 BRUISES!! WHERE DO YOU ALL COME FROM THAT YOU ARE HOLIER THAN THOU???? I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH CRITICS BUT YOU ALL JUST BLASTED ME ABOUT THE CHAIR WHICH WAS NOT AN ISSUE. MY MISTAKE AFTER YOUR MEMBER LET A CHILD DIE. IT WASN'T ME!!!
                      Take a deep breath! I know you are getting upset because you feel you did nothing wrong and providers on here are not agreeing with you. The reason is not to bash you or make it out that you are a bad provider. It is to protect you in the future. You said you ave been doing daycare since the 80's and there have been hundreds of new regulations implemented since them. Some are insane and irrational and some are there because a provider like many of us here had the worst possible outcome from something that seems harmless, so the new rules are implemented to prevent future similar situations. This forum is not against you. This forum is supportive of all providers and just want what is best, because some of these crazy things that have happened over the years by providers not following regulations make the rest of our jobs sooo much harder in the long run.

                      Please do not take it personally and just take it as a learning experience. If the baby falls asleep in the rocker, pick her up and put her in a crib. If she cries, so be it, but even the smallest little error in judgement or use of convenience versus safety an forever change you rlife and the life of a daycare parent. We don't want that to happen to you or anyone else, so even though you are feeling ganged up on, I really encourage you to stay aart of this forum and read through the archives on this similar topic and you will understand why many of us feel the violation was warranted. You are not a bad provider and your intentions were pure, but the violation is an indication that you will need to change a small part of how you do things and it is as simple as putting baby on her back in bed for naps versus the rocker. Best of luck to you and keep us posted on how it all turns out!
                      Last edited by Blackcat31; 09-15-2015, 12:12 PM.

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                      • Rockgirl
                        Daycare.com Member
                        • May 2013
                        • 2204

                        #56
                        We can have up to 12 in Texas, depending on the type of license/registration and ages of children.

                        I believe the poster who mentioned the law could change was saying that because of areas that seem vague. Maybe it really should be more clearly stated--that's how I took the previous poster's comment.

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                        • nanglgrl
                          Daycare.com Member
                          • Jul 2012
                          • 1700

                          #57
                          Originally posted by daycare57
                          don't want to grow & learn?????? Your advice has been nasty
                          My advice has been truthful. I think you're more upset because you didn't get the answer that you desired and are maybe starting to understand why you were cited.
                          There have been several "ah ha" moments for me on these boards. Suggestions I would have never thought of but should have, wonderful suggestions I would have never even considered and wouldn't have the resources come up with on my own.
                          You asked for advice and you got it. When several people try to nicely explain to you why you're in the wrong but you continue to give excuses some people are going to take it up a notch and not try to be as nice about why you're in the wrong. Especially when it concerns safety and safe sleep practices.
                          Now that you have been shown that the manufacturers directions clearly say that the restraint system is not supposed to be used when the child is able to climb in and out of the rocker and that the recline isn't supposed to be used once they can sit up unassisted I hope you're able to see why you were cited.

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                          • sharlan
                            Daycare.com Member
                            • May 2011
                            • 6067

                            #58
                            Read up on POSITIONAL ASPHYXIA.

                            I'm 61 and started babysitting at 12. I've always had a baby on my hip since then. I've had an in-home daycare for over 30 years. I'm very guilty of letting babies sleep in swings, car seats, bouncers, etc over the years. My 19 yo granddaughter slept in her infant seat a lot due to sinus issues when she was a tiny infant, under her dr's advice. My grandson's dr said to NEVER allow him to sleep in an infant car seat unless it was in a moving vehicle, swing, or stroller. We assumed it was because he was so tiny. I had never heard of positional asphyxia until I started reading here a few years ago. I no longer allow sleeping anywhere but a PNP for infants, toddlers sleep where I can see them at all times. Older kids sleep on mats in the playroom, but I have a camera and watch.

                            We live and learn. You felt what you were doing was safe. I probably would have felt the same way years ago. There is no way that I would go upstairs and leave a sleeping child downstairs anymore.

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                            • KarenSue
                              Daycare.com Member
                              • Jul 2014
                              • 83

                              #59
                              What bothers me more than anything is that you heard her wake up and didn't check on her. I am in Texas and only care for infants myself. I have two of those rockers plus a variety of other equipment. I wouldn't leave my babies unattended in anything except a crib. What if the baby quieted down because she choked to death when you thought she went to sleep. This story could have a tragic ending. I would let it be a lesson.

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                              • nannyde
                                All powerful, all knowing daycare whisperer
                                • Mar 2010
                                • 7320

                                #60
                                You are so lucky that you didn't have a death. A one year old is not an infant by seat standards and you are so lucky she didn't get entrapped in the harness and die. Obviously she was able to overturn it. There are numerous cases across the US and Canada where a one year old has died being strapped into seats and overturned them. The first day of daycare is the riskiest for death and the first week. You don't know the kid and it's skill set. You don't know what they can do.

                                Take the citation and thank the lord you aren't in jail right now with a manslaughter charge. If you have so much experience you should know how crazy dangerous what you did is. You need to educate yourself on deaths in.child care and positional asphyxiation.

                                You are the luckiest provider I know.
                                http://www.amazon.com/Daycare-Whispe...=doing+daycare

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