Precautions When Unvaccinated Child Is Enrolled

[nothingwithoutjoy]

Thank you to everyone who offered suggestions; I appreciate it.

[Annalee]

I have been following this thread and wasn't going to post but here goes......I recently enrolled an unvax family and followed all licensing requirements for my state. Maybe this is just the client, maybe it has to do with the choice to not vax, but I am ready to tell this client that she needs to hire a nanny....from diapering to eating to what time is nap to how long we stay outside to who her children play with to ...... WELL I think you get my point.....she is controlling and makes everything a power struggle.....Not sure it has anything to do with the unvax but she definitely tries to make her ways my ways and that is NOT POSSIBLE::

[Unregistered]

I have been following this thread and wasn't going to post but here goes......I recently enrolled an unvax family and followed all licensing requirements for my state. Maybe this is just the client, maybe it has to do with the choice to not vax, but I am ready to tell this client that she needs to hire a nanny....from diapering to eating to what time is nap to how long we stay outside to who her children play with to ...... WELL I think you get my point.....she is controlling and makes everything a power struggle.....Not sure it has anything to do with the unvax but she definitely tries to make her ways my ways and that is NOT POSSIBLE::

IME, the parents I've had that are non-vax'ers are also the most difficult to deal with. It's NOT that they are bad people or bad parents at all, they just seem to know exactly what they want (which is great) but usually its something that isn't easily replicated in group care.
They are very observant of their child's body/need/timing etc and I commend them for that but sometimes the things I've been asked to accommodate just isn't feasible here when I have a mixed aged group.
Like someone else mentioned, their kids are also absent the most due to illnesses.
NO idea if there is any correlation to not vaccinating and any of that but it has been my experience so far.

[Annalee]

IME, the parents I've had that are non-vax'ers are also the most difficult to deal with. It's NOT that they are bad people or bad parents at all, they just seem to know exactly what they want (which is great) but usually its something that isn't easily replicated in group care.
They are very observant of their child's body/need/timing etc and I commend them for that but sometimes the things I've been asked to accommodate just isn't feasible here when I have a mixed aged group.
Like someone else mentioned, their kids are also absent the most due to illnesses.
NO idea if there is any correlation to not vaccinating and any of that but it has been my experience so far.

EXACTLY! and if I try to explain why I can't accommodate her needs due to the "group care" issue she starts to cry and wants me to explain even further and I am not into negotiating I appreciate her closeness with her kids but she needs a nanny!

[daycarediva]

I would never enroll an unvaccinated child, because I like to work with clients(parents) who have similar views as mine.

I like to say I'm not pro vax, I am anti child death. We have all but eradicated these diseases, and the new (fake) information propagated by celebrities like Jenny McCarthy use fear tactics to scare parents not to vaccinate their child. It puts ALL children- vaccinated or not- at risk. I actually had a parent TELL me they didn't vaccinate their child because they didn't want her to 'get autism' my son is autistic, is autistic the worst possible thing your child could be? Nope. I'm gonna go with dead.

This is a big deal to me- and not because they wouldn't buckle up their child (although I do keep up with car seat safety and information and relay that and car seat installation checks to my daycare parents) it's because one of my kids could not finish the MMR vaccine do to severe allergic reactions, so they are unvaccinated against measles, mumps and rubella.

The ONLY reason I don't take un-vaccinated kiddos is (ok there are 2) 1. I try to enroll children with similar views as me on all aspects of parenting whenever possible 2. Because I don't want to be on the 6oclock news as the home daycare who had a measles outbreak. I don't actually think having a un vaccinated child puts me at greater risk of an outbreak of some kind, BUT it sounds worse on the news that way...We had a local center go through that and they never recovered. My goal everyday is DON'T be on the evening news...that's the goal

:: don't be on the 6o'clock news. ROFL! CHECK!

One of the SICKEST children I know is the product of AP, unvaxxed, SAHM, unschooled. He is literally ALWAYS sick. He also has zero social skills, self regulation, the pickiest eater I have ever met, and behind in almost every area I can think of. There is a reason why his mother and I are not friends. (dh is friends with her dh)

[LysesKids]

I have been following this thread and wasn't going to post but here goes......I recently enrolled an unvax family and followed all licensing requirements for my state. Maybe this is just the client, maybe it has to do with the choice to not vax, but I am ready to tell this client that she needs to hire a nanny....from diapering to eating to what time is nap to how long we stay outside to who her children play with to ...... WELL I think you get my point.....she is controlling and makes everything a power struggle.....Not sure it has anything to do with the unvax but she definitely tries to make her ways my ways and that is NOT POSSIBLE::

See my unvax & alternate schedule families are laid back, but then I only contract parents that are on board with my eco ways too . All my families signed on because my home is fragrance free, I cook Organic etc... the only parent I had that I booted was against everything my childcare is based on (your client sounds just like the family that is gone)

[Unregistered]

To be honest, we can all over worry and second guess but the research that I have read says that there is great risk to the unvaccinated. This heard immunity is a bunch of horse feathers. Vaccines don't cause autism. I would just take normal precautions. I disagree with the theory that it is worse to vaccinate. It is a providers own choice to enroll an unvaccinated child. If everyone stuck to there illness policy the illness chain would be broken. JMO!

[Unregistered]

There's no controversy. It's been well established that it's saved more lives from day 1. Not vaccinating a healthy child is putting that child and others at risk. All well documented.

[daycarediva]

To be honest, we can all over worry and second guess but the research that I have read says that there is great risk to the unvaccinated. This heard immunity is a bunch of horse feathers. Vaccines don't cause autism. I would just take normal precautions. I disagree with the theory that it is worse to vaccinate. It is a providers own choice to enroll an unvaccinated child. If everyone stuck to there illness policy the illness chain would be broken. JMO!

Nooooo. Parent lie. Parents medicate. Kids have "allergies". Kids are contagious before they're symptomatic. Kids are dosed and dropped.

[Ariana]

Not arguing, just clarifying. There were nearly 200 confirmed cases in the most recent outbreak, but that doesn't reveal how many were actually infected. The number was undoubtedly much larger, but because of vaccines, serious illness in larger populations was kept at bay.

And I'm wondering if your doctor is actually an immunologist or just an MD. Because an immunologist would completely disagree with the assertion that taking unvaccinated children to an area where an outbreak is actively occurring is any kind of safe. There is a reason why more and more states in the US are implementing policies that if an outbreak occurs, unvaccinated children are not allowed to attend public schools or licensed daycares.



Globally, measles remains a LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH amongst younger populations. The risk is real and hardly hype. It's not the media, those are the facts. I suggest you take another look at those "real numbers" you mention. 16 deaths an hour on average is nothing to brush off. Just because it's no longer considered endemic as it is in the rest of the world, doesn't mean we should become complacent.....unless we want to end up back in the same boat. in 2000 Measles was considered eradicated in the US. Look at all that have become infected since. It's only a matter of time before those numbers rise exponentially based on the currently plummeting vaccination rates.....


Just an fyi, allergy testing individual components of vaccines is next to impossible at this time. It was likely not that your doctors didn't want to help sort out the what, as much as there are no current standards established to determine actual threshold. You may not be allergic to cats, but offer a dander dose concentrated enough and you absolutely will react. Anyone will react to anything if the exposure is intense enough. There hasn't been enough research done to establish those limits for vaccine components yet. Take heart in knowing your kiddos doc wasn't necessarily complacent, there just isn't a way to accurately define levels yet.

I've already gotten the attitude from others as well (and my guy is just 9 months old!). It is frustrating to be lumped in under the assumption that I'm ignorant or just don't care about the rest of the general population

Here's the thing though, globally people are dying from a lot of illnesses so to look at global numbers is not a fair comparison in my opinion. I was just talking about the USA and where I happened to be visiting. We went, we came back without getting sick so in the end it was safe. I don't think my kids would have gotten very sick anyway and the health care system in the USA is excellent so I weighed the risks and went. My sister had measles as a kid and she missed a couple of days of school and it was no big deal. I do understand it can cause major havoc for some people but so can any illness including the flu. I can only trust my DR so I assume he is educated and knows what he is taking about. I don't have access to immunologists only MD's so I either trust them or do my own research as best I can. It is definitely a frustrating situation to be in!! Thanks for the information though, I am learning as I go along mostly

[Ariana]

Do people honesty still believe vaccines cause autism? I don't know any parents of nonvaccinated kids who believe that! They just want vaccines to be safer. I don't know why everyone can't agree on that end.

[daycarediva]

Do people honesty still believe vaccines cause autism? I don't know any parents of nonvaccinated kids who believe that! They just want vaccines to be safer. I don't know why everyone can't agree on that end.

Yes they really do! My pediatrician orders single vaccines without thimerisol now. You can request them yourself. I used to in advance when it was less common since they had to order them.

[Controlled Chaos]

Do people honesty still believe vaccines cause autism? I don't know any parents of nonvaccinated kids who believe that! They just want vaccines to be safer. I don't know why everyone can't agree on that end.

Yep. I termed a family shortly after a conversation about how she wouldn't vax her 4 year old because she didn't want him to get autism. This was less than a year ago. There were scheduling issues and a few other things making me consider terming, then we had the autism chat and I realized I couldn't deal with someone who made me want to bang my head into a wall

I truly respect people making choices based on consulting their doctors and doing research but EVERYONE knows vaccinations don't cause autism.

Also I had a newborn and my dad just had a bone marrow transplant and visits me a lot - just no worth even the possibility of a risk for me. And all adults in my house are up to date on boosters.

[Annalee]

Yep. I termed a family shortly after a conversation about how she wouldn't vax her 4 year old because she didn't want him to get autism. This was less than a year ago. There were scheduling issues and a few other things making me consider terming, then we had the autism chat and I realized I couldn't deal with someone who made me want to bang my head into a wall

I truly respect people making choices based on consulting their doctors and doing research but EVERYONE knows vaccinations don't cause autism.

Also I had a newborn and my dad just had a bone marrow transplant and visits me a lot - just no worth even the possibility of a risk for me. And all adults in my house are up to date on boosters.

I totally understand! Sent a letter home today stating I appreciate the decisions you have made and are making regarding your own children. However, this is group care and if you cannot follow my policies then you need to look for one on one care. She left embarrassed, angry, frustrated, and would not even look at me....This has been going on for 6 weeks and I had to do something or go insane..::happyface