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  • sahm2three
    Daycare.com Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 1104

    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    sorry to sound rude but your comment about not likinmg 2yr olds and youre a provider makes me wanna vomit...how sad .......................
    Oh get over yourself. Do you not ever have one of those days?! Loosen up.

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    • kendallina
      Advanced Daycare.com Member
      • Jul 2010
      • 1660

      #17
      It does sound like he either might be bored or he's looking for attention (if he's not getting positive, then he'd rather have negative then nothing). Are you able to engage him in things positively? Do you and him have fun together? What kinds of things does he like to do (that are acceptable)?

      I agree with Crystal. Allowing limited choices, making sure that the choices are things that he likes. Redirecting him before he even gets a chance to do a negative behavior when you can.

      I also agree with PPs that suggested to not even battle over the socks. if he doesn't care about getting cold feet then I wouldn't either. It is not worth the battle. And you can assure his parents that you cannot catch a cold from having cold feet. That is not how colds are spread.

      Good luck, I know it's hard when it gets to the point where there are negative feelings toward a child. I've been there and it's hard to get past those feelings, but you have to try or it will never get better. Look at every day like a new day and don't carry over bad feelings from the previous day.

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      • sahm2three
        Daycare.com Member
        • Apr 2010
        • 1104

        #18
        He is such an affectionate little guy, but just seems to really like to get into trouble. Not sure if it is an attention thing. Do they get that at 2? The parents are super busy, so could he just not be getting enough attention at home? He is also really possesive of me. Hates it when I give any attention to the other littles. If I am holding a baby, he wants me holding him. If someone is giving me a hug goodbye, he throws himself at my feet and wants to be held too. I am just brainstorming, but maybe it is purely an attention thing. But how do I give him more attention and have it be fair and even?

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        • kendallina
          Advanced Daycare.com Member
          • Jul 2010
          • 1660

          #19
          Originally posted by sahm2three
          And the person who suggested that they run wild at home. They parents are fantastic. But I do think they may not be running the show completely at home. Also, they are older parents, so to me, the kids are more like grandchildren to them than children. They are overstimulated with LOTS and LOTS of toys at home, and so I don't think that they really play with toys. So they don't really play here with toys. They run and bounce off the walls. Ugh.
          How is your environment set up? Are there a LOT of choices or just a few things from them to choose from? I've had to do a lot of adjusting in how much I have available for the 2-3 yrs old especially.

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          • lvt77
            Daycare Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 597

            #20
            not to sound rude but it really seems like your are zoning in on the negative things that he does instead of the positive....just like adults you reap what you sow.... if hes always getting negative attention then there is no reason to behave...
            maybe the child has hot feet???

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            • sahm2three
              Daycare.com Member
              • Apr 2010
              • 1104

              #21
              Originally posted by kendallina
              How is your environment set up? Are there a LOT of choices or just a few things from them to choose from? I've had to do a lot of adjusting in how much I have available for the 2-3 yrs old especially.
              Well, I recently blocked off the circle they had to run around. They are confined to our upstairs living area. It is probably about 600 sq feet or so. Maybe more, maybe less. Not 100% sure. I might take a video of the area and see what you all think. I have the toddlers and babies up here with me 100% of the time and the 4 year olds and above are able to go from up here to down stairs with monitors and a tv monitor on them if they are downstairs and I am not able to be with them. So the toys up here are age appropriate for babies to age 3 or so.

              I try to point out positive things that he does (it is part of the common sense parenting course that I took). IF he walks even a couple feet I tell him how nicely he just walked. If he shares a toy or asks for a toy without whining, I tell him I liked his nice words and nice sharing. I DO give positive reinforcement. I guess everyone is only seeing the negative because I use THIS place as a place to vent. I do love my job. It is challenging but I really do love kids.

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              • boysx5
                Daycare.com Member
                • Mar 2010
                • 681

                #22
                I have an 18 month dcg who is very busy I put her in the pnp at times when we are trying to do a craft for preschool age and she will stay in there and watch or keep herself busy playing with a toy. I also try to keep her off limits to things that she gets into trouble with so sometimes I put the gate up in the family room and keep her in there. I would buy those slipper socks and see if he will keep those on or just tell the parents your doing the best you can

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                • kendallina
                  Advanced Daycare.com Member
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 1660

                  #23
                  Originally posted by sahm2three
                  He is such an affectionate little guy, but just seems to really like to get into trouble. Not sure if it is an attention thing. Do they get that at 2? The parents are super busy, so could he just not be getting enough attention at home? He is also really possesive of me. Hates it when I give any attention to the other littles. If I am holding a baby, he wants me holding him. If someone is giving me a hug goodbye, he throws himself at my feet and wants to be held too. I am just brainstorming, but maybe it is purely an attention thing. But how do I give him more attention and have it be fair and even?
                  If he seems to like getting into trouble, then I would definitely say it's an attention thing. I would give him the attention that he needs (positive, lots of hugs and smiles and playing when he's being good). I would not worry about making things 'fair and even' for now. Right now he's just needing a little more from you, I'd do what I could to give it to him.

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                  • lvt77
                    Daycare Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 597

                    #24
                    Sorry I also wanted to add that most kids need to be taught how to behave... Remind them what is expected of them. remind them of the rules and always point out when they are behaving well.... Sometime negative attention is the only attention they get at home so they dont know how to act any differently no matter where they go.

                    If you change your attention away from when he misbehaves (which i know is hard, especially when you feel like you wanna bang your head aganist the wall)
                    he will crave that positive attention.... when he does something good praise him and over and over again, maybe give me a sticker or stamp on his hand. Tell him how good he is...I promise you he will do everything he can positive to get your attention doing this.....if you always react when he's mis behaving, then he will repeat that behavior to always get your attention...
                    I had a similar child like this who used to make me want to cry and after doing this I really enjoy them each day they are here....

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                    • Crystal
                      Advanced Daycare.com Member
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 4002

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered
                      sorry to sound rude but your comment about not likinmg 2yr olds and youre a provider makes me wanna vomit...how sad .......................
                      I have to say, I think what sahm meant was that she doesn't particularly like WORKING with this age group. I think that's okay. Just as some of us prefer not to work with infants or school-age children. It doesn't mean we don't like the children, it means we know what age group we are best suited to work with. I commend any provider who takes a real-life assesment of where they stand in their career and chooses to tailor her program around the group that she is best-suited to meet the needs for. It means they CARE about what they do and that they KNOW they can do an excellent job providing for the needs of the ages they choose to serve.

                      And, even though SAHM made that comment, it doesn't neccesarily mean she shouldn't work with two year olds. Don't we all have bad days :confused:

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                      • SilverSabre25
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 7585

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered
                        sorry to sound rude but your comment about not likinmg 2yr olds and youre a provider makes me wanna vomit...how sad .......................
                        Two is TOUGH. Even as a parent--two is hard. Haven't you ever heard the phrase, "Terrible Twos?" It was coined for a reason! I loved two with my DD, and I hated it at the same time. I love my 2 or almost 2 dcks, but at the same time...they are tough to deal with.

                        Take any age and you can find the positive side...and the negative side. Some days, the positive prevails, but some days, the negative does. And take your own mood--some days it's really easy to be positive, and some days, for no apparent reason, the negative does. This board is for venting. She's venting. Get OVER it. Not liking the age doesn't mean she'd like to fry the two year old up and serve him with french fries and a nice sauce! I cringe with each kiddo who comes up to 14 months because IME so far, 14 months is a really rough, annoying age. Same diff.
                        Hee hee! Look, I have a signature!

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                        • QualiTcare
                          Advanced Daycare.com Member
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 1502

                          #27
                          Originally posted by sahm2three
                          I guess that was a bit harsh. Not what you said, but what I sad. I don't REALLY dislike 2 year olds. They are just a challenge a lot of the time! They can be very funny and good comedy relief. I just have a house FULL of boys. And they all feed off of eachother. I would never be able to do anything other than watch their every move if I were to try to nip every bad behavior in the bud.

                          And the person who suggested that they run wild at home. They parents are fantastic. But I do think they may not be running the show completely at home. Also, they are older parents, so to me, the kids are more like grandchildren to them than children. They are overstimulated with LOTS and LOTS of toys at home, and so I don't think that they really play with toys. So they don't really play here with toys. They run and bounce off the walls. Ugh.
                          i get what you meant. some people take things so literally. just like i (and i'm sure many people) say, "omg, i'm gonna kill myself," or "i'm about to shoot myself!" that doesn't mean we're really going to. on a bad day, i might even be caught saying, "i can't stand these kids!" talking about my OWN. that doesn't mean i should give them up for adoption. it's just a frustrated expression.

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                          • sahm2three
                            Daycare.com Member
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 1104

                            #28
                            Originally posted by QualiTcare
                            i get what you meant. some people take things so literally. just like i (and i'm sure many people) say, "omg, i'm gonna kill myself," or "i'm about to shoot myself!" that doesn't mean we're really going to. on a bad day, i might even be caught saying, "i can't stand these kids!" talking about my OWN. that doesn't mean i should give them up for adoption. it's just a frustrated expression.
                            Thank you.

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                            • lvt77
                              Daycare Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 597

                              #29
                              I learned that we should remove the I like when you... this way it does not sound like you are asking him to please you...I learned this in school....allthough I have to admit that I find myself saying it attimes....
                              Instead say wow that was a fantastic job that you just did! try the reward system, stamps or stickers.... we use pretend money called flaco bucks and the kids rack them up and cash them in to buy things from the treasure chest....they love it....ages 20 mmonths and up... in this situtaion I hve older kids help younger kids

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