Posting While During the Day

[nannyde]

I have seen so many times when trainers tell providers what they SHOULD do for best practice and the attendees believe it is regulation.

Back in the day I attended a child net series where the concept of us being responsible to educate the kids was seven of the ten trainings. With each one I asked..."who is going to pay for this? This is a lot more work."

I explained that I offered preschool for x dollars per hour and didn't get a SINGLE parent willing to pay for it. They wants it but they can't haves it for free.

Her response was "build it into your fees". My response was "I'm already maxing the highest rate my area supports with offering a low adult to child ratio, being a RN, and offering fully home cooked meals and a 100 sq foot of space per kid with a huge toy collection." There isn't a market for higher fees. I already hit that.

Then her response was you should just DO because it's in the best interest of the kids. When do you expect a business to do the HARD work of something like educating kids and expect them to do it because someone told them it's best for kids. Too pricey for me. I will do it for money but not for a contribution to society.

Then I asked her why the parents can't educate their kids for free? That seems the most economical way. How about Child Net doing free parent as teachers classes so parents can be taught best interest? Put YOUR money where your best interest is.

The point is that trainers have beliefs but when time to pay for them they have no answers. Getting someone to have their eyes on your kid every second they are in care and not doing ANY movement that doesn't serve that minute for the kids is VERY expensive. You want me to work THAT hard and do THAT boring job... you gots to pay me WAY more than three bucks an hour which includes housing and business expenses. It's just not enough money to get people to do it.

We won't do it for free. You wants it but you can't pay for it. Pop me up to $6/7 bucks an hour per kid and I will gladly stare at them all day. I won't do it for three/four bucks an hour before expenses

[Stephnrich]

Tell the presenter when she is willing to pay my self employment tax and my unemployment insurance she can tell me what I can do while I work as a self employed provider.

There's ALWAYS been available distractions to parents and child care providers while caring for kids. The cell phone isn't any different than books, talking on the phone, tv, or better yet, the provider or parents own children.

If these kids need a dedicated adult that only foes them then the price for only doing them must be paid. You don't get that for two to four dollars an hour.

If it's unsafe for providers to be on their phones then it's unsafe for parents. Make laws for both and then we will talk.

If a kid is injured under my care I am responsible. If I'm making lunch and the kid gets hurt... it's on me. If I'm conferencing with a parent and a kid gets hurt, it's on me. If I'm cleaning a massive blow out and a kid gets hurt, it's on me.

The state isn't in the business of ensuring I'm never distracted or they would do inspections off hours. If it's ok for them to come in and tax my attention while I'm caring for kids then me being on my phone is ok. It's WAY less distracting to be on my phone than hosting parents or inspectors.

👍. This is spot on!

[Unregistered]

Not sure I'm believing this thread.

A home is a home and functions as such, and if a presenter, licencor, mandated that I adhere to their ridiculous rules I would happily tell them where to stick their license. Of course I wouldn't get licensed to begin with if those kinds of rules existed.

Even if those rules, laws exist they may not be legally enforceable in a court if something did happen.

[Blackcat31]

Inspectors in my state have been known to cite centers for staff using their phones. But I've also heard of them citing centers because there was a child behind a staff members back. They it's covered by the reg of children needing to be within range of sight AND sound. So their logic is that if the children are behind your back (or if you're looking at something), then they're not within range of sight. Of course, that's completely impractical, but...

That reg doesn't apply to home daycares so I'm not sure whether or not they would still get in trouble with licensing for cell phone use.

This brings up an interesting point...

There has been some really big discussions/situations in my state about this...
....licensors (inspectors/analysts) have cited providers for what "they" (licensors) believe the reg to be or sometimes for things they "think" the regulation means but when providers started appealing these citations it has come to light that just because you are cited for something, it doesn't mean it IS the law.

There are several counties that have had some massive uproar about this and there are a few licensors that have been "re-assigned"

When asked to produce the written words dictating a specific law or regulations, most licensors can't because they cited a provider simply based on their belief of the reg or interpretation of the regulation NOT based on the actual written law.

I've seen it happen to a lot of providers. I've also seen a lot of those providers appeal citations and have them overturned so again like I posted before.....
I'd like to see the written LAW that says what the OP is stating.

Interpretation is not the law.
Words spoken by a licensor, analyst, inspector or presenter is not law.

The written words (in state regulations) are law and until I see first hand what the LAW states, I do not for one minute accept what someone tells me to be true based on their words.

[Annalee]

This brings up an interesting point...

There has been some really big discussions/situations in my state about this...
....licensors (inspectors/analysts) have cited providers for what "they" (licensors) believe the reg to be or sometimes for things they "think" the regulation means but when providers started appealing these citations it has come to light that just because you are cited for something, it doesn't mean it IS the law.

There are several counties that have had some massive uproar about this and there are a few licensors that have been "re-assigned"

When asked to produce the written words dictating a specific law or regulations, most licensors can't because they cited a provider simply based on their belief of the reg or interpretation of the regulation NOT based on the actual written law.

I've seen it happen to a lot of providers. I've also seen a lot of those providers appeal citations and have them overturned so again like I posted before.....
I'd like to see the written LAW that says what the OP is stating.

Interpretation is not the law.
Words spoken by a licensor, analyst, inspector or presenter is not law.

The written words (in state regulations) are law and until I see first hand what the LAW states, I do not for one minute accept what someone tells me to be true based on their words.

I am in one of the toughest states for rules/regulations and there have been citations for texting, etc. Providers have been warned to know where your kids are, be conscious of ratio, etc...BUT I feel I can use the bathroom, answer a call, or occasionally text/post and still KNOW where my kids are and what they are doing. I do the same thing as when licensing makes an unannounced visit which is frequent in my state....I visit while still keeping close eye/listening to sounds of the kids in my care! Some providers may not be as good at multi-tasking and I feel that is the reason for the citations....the texting citations happen mostly in centers here???? Home providers, in my opinion, are very conscious of their surroundings. I keep tab on vehicles and know when a new one goes by...I notice if a car stops on the highway in front of my house.....I notice if a siren goes by....I KNOW my surroundings and protect the children in my care accordingly.

[Heidi]

I am in one of the toughest states for rules/regulations and there have been citations for texting, etc. Providers have been warned to know where your kids are, be conscious of ratio, etc...BUT I feel I can use the bathroom, answer a call, or occasionally text/post and still KNOW where my kids are and what they are doing. I do the same thing as when licensing makes an unannounced visit which is frequent in my state....I visit while still keeping close eye/listening to sounds of the kids in my care! Some providers may not be as good at multi-tasking and I feel that is the reason for the citations....the texting citations happen mostly in centers here???? Home providers, in my opinion, are very conscious of their surroundings. I keep tab on vehicles and know when a new one goes by...I notice if a car stops on the highway in front of my house.....I notice if a siren goes by....I KNOW my surroundings and protect the children in my care accordingly.

That's because of your level of investment. This is YOUR business, and so your "buy-in" is much greater than that of (most) employees. Of course, there are excellent center staff people out there-and most of those wouldn't pull their cellphone or laptop out on their employer's time. They'd wait until break.

On the other hand, most center employees in my state probably make minimum wage. I don't think anyone "buys in" to a minimum job.

Oddly enough, most of us family providers net close to that, but our motivation is different; like having the freedom to throw in laundry, start dinner, or call a friend now and then.

[Annalee]

That's because of your level of investment. This is YOUR business, and so your "buy-in" is much greater than that of (most) employees. Of course, there are excellent center staff people out there-and most of those wouldn't pull their cellphone or laptop out on their employer's time. They'd wait until break.

On the other hand, most center employees in my state probably make minimum wage. I don't think anyone "buys in" to a minimum job.

Oddly enough, most of us family providers net close to that, but our motivation is different; like having the freedom to throw in laundry, start dinner, or call a friend now and then.

True The only citations I found for texting listed online was a provider standing outside on the playground at a center..????

[daycarediva]

I am in NY, and as far as I am aware, we are the only state to implement the electronic free rule. Here are the regs: http://ocfs.ny.gov/main/childcare/re...e%205.1.14.pdf

417.7
(u) If television or other electronic visual media is used, it must be part of a planned developmentally appropriate program with an educational, social, physical or other learning objective that includes identified goals and objectives. Television and other electronic visual media must not be used solely to occupy time.
(v) Television and other electronic visual media must be turned off when not part of a planned developmentally appropriate program activity.
(w) Children must not watch television or other electronic visual media during meals.
(x) Television and other electronic visual media must be turned off while children are sleeping, and during established nap times. This is not to prohibit a program from using electronic visual media for business purposes

[daycarediva]

There is another section, but my computer is acting glitchy and wont let me copy and paste. 417.8 (m)

[Country Kids]

If we participated in the QRIS program in our state, we are to do no technology during the day-nada, nothing, zip.

We have to even have it in our handbook. That is why I'm hardly on here anymore. If we have to do something for business-minute menu we need to let the parents know in our handbook what we will be doing.

I have a feeling it will become a rule sooner then later.

[daycarediva]

Anyway---the use of any type of device for social or entertainment purposes, listening to music on headphones, playing screen games, using the internet, or making personal calls by caregivers while supervising children is prohibited. Use of any device for brief and necessary communications or purposes directly related to the child care program, such as communication with parents or the Office and it's representatives is allowable.

[daycarediva]

I actually ran the use of this site and pinterest (I use it for daycare....mostly) by my registrar. I use it at nap, and it's daycare related. She also said that NOBODY is going to cite me unless my lack of supervision (I'm staring at all 6 sleeping kids as I type this) created a safety issue. I also post to my business facebook, update my business website, etc.

I recently heard of a parent trying to get a registered provider into trouble with the state. She knits (crochets?) during nap, and she sells her items on etsy. It's against regs to do ANYTHING for another business during daycare hours. The state just said as long as she isn't taking orders, answering questions or taking kids to the post office to mail them out- she's fine.

[Blackcat31]

I actually ran the use of this site and pinterest (I use it for daycare....mostly) by my registrar. I use it at nap, and it's daycare related. She also said that NOBODY is going to cite me unless my lack of supervision (I'm staring at all 6 sleeping kids as I type this) created a safety issue. I also post to my business facebook, update my business website, etc.

I recently heard of a parent trying to get a registered provider into trouble with the state. She knits (crochets?) during nap, and she sells her items on etsy. It's against regs to do ANYTHING for another business during daycare hours. The state just said as long as she isn't taking orders, answering questions or taking kids to the post office to mail them out- she's fine.

Its countable in T/S % so I would consider it "business use".

If I lived in a state that micro-managed to the point of it being debatable, I'd happily take them on.

It's ridiculous the regulations some areas want to have....

[CraftyMom]

Haha! So not only can they not use any electronics or watch tv, they also can not knit or crochet. I would assume that would go for crossword puzzles or reading as well. (according to these parents). So they want the provider to literally sit and stare at the sleeping children and nothing else?

[Country Kids]

Haha! So not only can they not use any electronics or watch tv, they also can not knit or crochet. I would assume that would go for crossword puzzles or reading as well. (according to these parents). So they want the provider to literally sit and stare at the sleeping children and nothing else?

Actually when our state was coming out with QRIS and the whole technology thing came out we asked "why about naptime". We were told we need to watch them sleep.