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QCare....are you teaching now? I can't recall what you said you were doing after you quit daycare.Comment
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Oh, I know you were joking. I was just curious.
How's school?Comment
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DISCLAIMER: I am only using myself as an example here because I do not have anyone here to use as an example, as I do not know most member’s level of education. I am NOT using myself as an example to indicate that I am better in any way. I realize that there are MANY providers who have far higher levels of education and qualifications thatn I do, however I do not have those provider’s information.
QCare, I agree with you about the work and commitment that "teachers" put into their education. But, I don't believe it is necessary to have that B.A. distinction to define a teacher.
You say " why not just go to school for appx. 1,000 hours per year for 4 years straight?"
Well, I have done that. I don't have my B.A. but I have done that.
FTR, I may only have an AA, but I have more than 90 ECE and Gen Ed units....only 36 are required to hold an AA. I just chose to continue my ed at the community college level rather that the University, mostly because the CC is less than a mile from my house. I am however starting school in two weeks, working on my Master's Degree. In addition to this I have more than 30 CEU'S and 100's of hours in trainings via workshops and seminars.
I am a Mentor Teacher for the CECMP, a "lab school" if you will for students in the practicum phase of their college studies. Most recently I have been selected to develop and present workshops for the Director Mentor program.
I conduct Environmental Rating Scale Assessments for our local R&R and work as an independent consultant for Head Start as well.
I have had an article published by the CAEYC and presented workshops for them too.
So, I am MORE than qualified to be a TEACHER and am proud to present myself as such. And, MANY other providers have done as much or WAY MORE than I have...they deserve that TITLE as well. Yet, Joann'es, as well as a FEW others feel the feel they have the authority to define what a teacher is.
In the end, if it really mattered what Joanne's, you, and my favorite nemesis Nannyde (kidding
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And, in the end, Joanne’s can choose to exclude (here’s a term for you instead of teacher) Early Childhood Educators from receiving their small discount, and in the end Early Childhood Educator’s can choose to exclude Joanne’s from their list of stores to purchase supplies from.
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Crystal,
Where are you going to school for your Masters? I've never heard of a Master's program that allows individuals without a BA/BS. My husband is adding a Masters in SPED to his BA in History and he still had to take a few additional classes before he was admitted in to the Masters Program.Comment
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I am attending Pacific Oaks. If you have been working with children for 10 years and have a minimum of 60 trasferrable units you may apply to Pacific Oaks and request a Credit For Life Experience Bachelor's requirement waiver and move directly into the Master's program.I have to document those ten years of experience though, as well.
I have spoken with numerous members of college faculty and the Dean of ECE at a few community colleges who said they would choose a Pacific Oaks graduate to teach at their college in a heartbeat. So, I decided to go for it!Comment
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Don't take this personally, but I HATE when colleges do that. It really takes away from those who had to earn those 120 credits and demeans integrity of a Master's degree in my opinion. It doesn't happen in careers that are deemed "professional" and when it happens in other areas, like early childhood education, it just belittles the profession even further. You don't hear of a doctor, lawyer or CPA getting "life experience" credit.Comment
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NOT kidding. I've read every study I can get my hands on. I've even read years of the Head Start data... that's mind numbing. I should get an honorary Masters degree JUST for reading the Head Start research. :
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I've been looking for it and I can't find it. If anyone here knows of any longitudinal studies on preschool that do NOT focus on poor kids or poor African American male children PLEASE post it.
I want to see PROOF that children who attend full academic preschool programs between the ages of three and five show a significant difference in measurable standardized testing outcomes in math, reading, science, social studies, and writing beyond the entry into second grade.
NOT poor kids. I'm specifically interested in lower middle class, middle class, upper middle class, and upper class children.Comment
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I don't take that personally. And, I hear ya. I can see where there would be some controversy. The thing is though, many of the student's in this program do have the coursework behind them, but they do not hold a B.A. I am close in having that many units. I think it comes down to be able to prove your competence in the field. If you can demonstarte competence, then I think there should be some allowance for life experience. And, this is a Professional Degree....it will allow me to teach at the college level.
One thing I find funny about it is you will, quite often, hear providers complaining that experience is more valuable than education, but when something like this comes up, they'll decide that you really do need the education, rather than the experience. Especially if it is another provider they do not care for who is embracing the opportunity. (don't take that personally, it wasn't directed at you)
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OMG. Can you either shop at JoAnn's fabric or don't shop at JoAnn's Fabric. It's JoAnn Fabrics choice to give the teacher discount on their terms of what they consider a teacher. Get over it already.Comment
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That's fair. But, if you are going to participate in a discussion, your opinion would hold more weight if we knew who you were.
And, you can certainly make that choice for yourself, but not for the other providers who are insulted that a company would determine that they are not considered valuable assets to the field of educating children.Comment
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I actually don't believe that you do need a degree to be a very effective daycare provider. For me, the Master's degree issue is different can of worms.I don't take that personally. And, I hear ya. I can see where there would be some controversy. The thing is though, many of the student's in this program do have the coursework behind them, but they do not hold a B.A. I am close in having that many units. I think it comes down to be able to prove your competence in the field. If you can demonstarte competence, then I think there should be some allowance for life experience. And, this is a Professional Degree....it will allow me to teach at the college level.
One thing I find funny about it is you will, quite often, hear providers complaining that experience is more valuable than education, but when something like this comes up, they'll decide that you really do need the education, rather than the experience. Especially if it is another provider they do not care for who is embracing the opportunity. (don't take that personally, it wasn't directed at you)
A second issue that comes to mind is this: I do have a BA and I can tell you that without a doubt, upper level courses are far more challenging. Individuals who attend community college don't participate in those classes, and therefore don't have the same level of education. I'm sure that you will do fine, but many, many others will be woefully ill prepared for Master's level courses without the benefit of those upper level classes.Comment
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Does this count? I have not been reading up on it but I googled it and found this; http://nieer.org/resources/factsheets/13.pdf or http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1116081424.htmNOT kidding. I've read every study I can get my hands on. I've even read years of the Head Start data... that's mind numbing. I should get an honorary Masters degree JUST for reading the Head Start research. ::
I've been looking for it and I can't find it. If anyone here knows of any longitudinal studies on preschool that do NOT focus on poor kids or poor African American male children PLEASE post it.
I want to see PROOF that children who attend full academic preschool programs between the ages of three and five show a significant difference in measurable standardized testing outcomes in math, reading, science, social studies, and writing beyond the entry into second grade.
NOT poor kids. I'm specifically interested in lower middle class, middle class, upper middle class, and upper class children.Comment
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and I don't even WANT a discount from JoAnne's. I'm not crafty. 
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