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  • momofsix
    Advanced Daycare.com Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 1846

    So sad...

    I really wanted to give this provider the benefit of the doubt when I first heard the story. But she has told so many lies and so many things just don't even make sense with her story. I have to believe she knew the baby had already died when she put him in his car seat and was hoping that parents and authorities would think it happened at home.


  • hope
    Daycare.com Member
    • Feb 2013
    • 1513

    #2
    Why, after all the information given to us, after many babies have died, why would someone put a baby to sleep in a car seat? I will never understand how someone could take even the smallest risk with a baby.

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    • laundrymom
      Advanced Daycare.com Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 4177

      #3
      I know it's not in every states regulations, but it's a proven fact. We may not know what CAUSES sids, but we know what steps to take to prevent it the best we can. And as for this story....

      Please, for the love of Jesus, please give babies a safe sleep environment. If you don't know what one looks like, get ahold of me. I will educate you. OR I will find someone to educate you. Please. Never. Ever. Ever. Ever infinity- sleep a baby anywhere but a crib. A safe crib with NO BUMPER PAD. A safe crib with NO BLANKETS, STUFFED ITEMS, HOODS, BIBS. A safe crib with no items except a tight fitting sheet, a baby and if you choose, a paci. There are NO SIDS PREVENTATIVE ITEMS that are approved by true professionals. Don't let babies sleep in swings, bouncers, car seats, hammocks, ANYWHERE but a safe crib. It's called positional asphyxia and it KILLS. Please. No baby should die because it suffocated in a swing. Or a carseat. Or a bouncer. It's preventable. It isn't SIDS.

      I'm not the only poster in this group with a personal interest in SIDS research and prevention.
      Please, every nap. Every day. Give them the gift of safe sleep.

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      • Josiegirl
        Daycare.com Member
        • Jun 2013
        • 10834

        #4
        Originally posted by laundrymom
        I know it's not in every states regulations, but it's a proven fact. We may not know what CAUSES sids, but we know what steps to take to prevent it the best we can. And as for this story....

        Please, for the love of Jesus, please give babies a safe sleep environment. If you don't know what one looks like, get ahold of me. I will educate you. OR I will find someone to educate you. Please. Never. Ever. Ever. Ever infinity- sleep a baby anywhere but a crib. A safe crib with NO BUMPER PAD. A safe crib with NO BLANKETS, STUFFED ITEMS, HOODS, BIBS. A safe crib with no items except a tight fitting sheet, a baby and if you choose, a paci. There are NO SIDS PREVENTATIVE ITEMS that are approved by true professionals. Don't let babies sleep in swings, bouncers, car seats, hammocks, ANYWHERE but a safe crib. It's called positional asphyxia and it KILLS. Please. No baby should die because it suffocated in a swing. Or a carseat. Or a bouncer. It's preventable. It isn't SIDS.

        I'm not the only poster in this group with a personal interest in SIDS research and prevention.
        Please, every nap. Every day. Give them the gift of safe sleep.

        Well said! And I shudder to think of when my kids were babies and they had all those cute stuffed animals in bed with them or the bumper pads, or sat them in car seats and left them because they fell asleep. I was beyond lucky that nothing ever happened to them. But there were many who weren't so lucky. We didn't know any better, all this current safe sleep knowledge wasn't out there for us.

        I attended a network meeting where some of the leaders of the group were complaining about something and I overheard one saying 'well, we always let them sleep in car seats, and swings and nothing ever happened!' But she wasn't listening to anybody else's input and what is considered dangerous now.

        Most people think it'll never happen to them. Sadly, it can. And does.

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        • laundrymom
          Advanced Daycare.com Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 4177

          #5
          Originally posted by Josiegirl
          Well said! And I shudder to think of when my kids were babies and they had all those cute stuffed animals in bed with them or the bumper pads, or sat them in car seats and left them because they fell asleep. I was beyond lucky that nothing ever happened to them. But there were many who weren't so lucky. We didn't know any better, all this current safe sleep knowledge wasn't out there for us.

          I attended a network meeting where some of the leaders of the group were complaining about something and I overheard one saying 'well, we always let them sleep in car seats, and swings and nothing ever happened!' But she wasn't listening to anybody else's input and what is considered dangerous now.

          Most people think it'll never happen to them. Sadly, it can. And does.

          My rant on my fb feed after I was called out for posting such a sad story:

          And for those who think it only happens to "other people" or "poor people" or "white people" or "black people" or "young people" or "old people"
          YOU'RE WRONG.
          It happens to every age, race, income, education, sex, culture, belief. It is not discriminatory. It just is.
          For anyone who believes like the person who used to be my fb friend who called me out because it's a sad subject- feel
          Free to delete me. My feed. My choice.

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          • Cozy_Kids_Childcare
            USAF_Wife
            • Jul 2012
            • 672

            #6
            Originally posted by laundrymom
            I know it's not in every states regulations, but it's a proven fact. We may not know what CAUSES sids, but we know what steps to take to prevent it the best we can. And as for this story....

            Please, for the love of Jesus, please give babies a safe sleep environment. If you don't know what one looks like, get ahold of me. I will educate you. OR I will find someone to educate you. Please. Never. Ever. Ever. Ever infinity- sleep a baby anywhere but a crib. A safe crib with NO BUMPER PAD. A safe crib with NO BLANKETS, STUFFED ITEMS, HOODS, BIBS. A safe crib with no items except a tight fitting sheet, a baby and if you choose, a paci. There are NO SIDS PREVENTATIVE ITEMS that are approved by true professionals. Don't let babies sleep in swings, bouncers, car seats, hammocks, ANYWHERE but a safe crib. It's called positional asphyxia and it KILLS. Please. No baby should die because it suffocated in a swing. Or a carseat. Or a bouncer. It's preventable. It isn't SIDS.

            I'm not the only poster in this group with a personal interest in SIDS research and prevention.
            Please, every nap. Every day. Give them the gift of safe sleep.
            I use to allow my youngest to sleep in a swing and her bouncy seat until I got in this forum. Honestly I didn't know better. The daycare center my oldest and middle went to allowed children to sleep that way so I thought it was normal. Then after reading it here several times I did away with my baby gear except a mamaroo swing. They are on the floor moving around (in a safe gated area to keep toddlers/preschooler out). I never ever let them fall asleep because I'm scared it will be that one time something will happen. They are instantly moved to a PNP with nothing in it but a sheet protector for the bottom. It is so sad that some people feel that well of an infant falls asleep in their car seat while in the car it's no big deal so it shouldn't be a big deal out of the car. I then noticed how an infant carrier sits at a different angle when out of the car. I would never leave an infant in their carrier anyway. I don't even allow them in the daycare now. This is so tragic and disturbing.

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            • laundrymom
              Advanced Daycare.com Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 4177

              #7
              Originally posted by Cozy_Kids_Childcare
              It is so sad that some people feel that well of an infant falls asleep in their car seat while in the car it's no big deal so it shouldn't be a big deal out of the car. I then noticed how an infant carrier sits at a different angle when out of the car. I would never leave an infant in their carrier anyway. I don't even allow them in the daycare now. This is so tragic and disturbing.
              Also, a vehicle in motion bobbles their head. Jostling enough to keep an airway open.

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              • momofsix
                Advanced Daycare.com Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 1846

                #8
                This provider didn't even have any pack-n-plays! Supposedly threw them away last week. Said she held the babies whenever they slept and this was the FIRST TIME she put one in the carseat to sleep. She had three infants under 4 months and 7 other older children so no idea how that supposedly worked for her. (only allowed 6 total in MI and 2 under 18 months)

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                • laundrymom
                  Advanced Daycare.com Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 4177

                  #9
                  Originally posted by momofsix
                  This provider didn't even have any pack-n-plays! Supposedly threw them away last week. Said she held the babies whenever they slept and this was the FIRST TIME she put one in the carseat to sleep. She had three infants under 4 months and 7 other older children so no idea how that supposedly worked for her. (only allowed 6 total in MI and 2 under 18 months)
                  Now I'm just angry.

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                  • Heidi
                    Daycare.com Member
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 7121

                    #10
                    Is the other information about too many kids and pnp's in the video? It won't load, so all I can read is the article in the link, which doesn't mention any of that.

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                    • daycarediva
                      Daycare.com Member
                      • Jul 2012
                      • 11698

                      #11
                      WOW! How awful!!! I am so sad for the parents of that beautiful baby.

                      I agree laundrymom- the education is there now. There aren't excuses.

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                      • laundrymom
                        Advanced Daycare.com Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 4177

                        #12
                        Originally posted by daycarediva
                        WOW! How awful!!! I am so sad for the parents of that beautiful baby.

                        I agree laundrymom- the education is there now. There aren't excuses.
                        Sorry to get all-- soapboxy. Few things get my knickers in a twist. This is one.

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                        • daycarediva
                          Daycare.com Member
                          • Jul 2012
                          • 11698

                          #13
                          Originally posted by laundrymom
                          Sorry to get all-- soapboxy. Few things get my knickers in a twist. This is one.
                          Preventable child deaths do that to me, too. Brings out the mama bear. It was absolutely preventable. Nothing she can say excuses it. It's manslaughter.

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                          • momofsix
                            Advanced Daycare.com Member
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 1846

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Heidi
                            Is the other information about too many kids and pnp's in the video? It won't load, so all I can read is the article in the link, which doesn't mention any of that.
                            No, the link to the licensing investigation was in the news story last night, they got it through FOIA-but they removed it. It's no longer available to the public I guess because the case is still pending? I wasn't sure if it would be legal for me to put that up here since they took it back down. I downloaded it) I forgot what info was in which-suffice it to say her story is full of bs.
                            I also stalked her daycare facebook page before someone took that down. She "looked" like she did things right-had a curriculum, Zoo-phonics, cute dc room...but when I read her posts I couldn't believe people kept their kids there! Most of them were to the tune of "Kids were terrible again today. Early lunch and nap. Only those who are good during nap get the special snack." Many, many of these type of posts complaining about the kids' behavior.

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                            • daycarediva
                              Daycare.com Member
                              • Jul 2012
                              • 11698

                              #15
                              Originally posted by momofsix
                              No, the link to the licensing investigation was in the news story last night, they got it through FOIA-but they removed it. It's no longer available to the public I guess because the case is still pending? I wasn't sure if it would be legal for me to put that up here since they took it back down. I downloaded it) I forgot what info was in which-suffice it to say her story is full of bs.
                              I also stalked her daycare facebook page before someone took that down. She "looked" like she did things right-had a curriculum, Zoo-phonics, cute dc room...but when I read her posts I couldn't believe people kept their kids there! Most of them were to the tune of "Kids were terrible again today. Early lunch and nap. Only those who are good during nap get the special snack." Many, many of these type of posts complaining about the kids' behavior.
                              oh wow!

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