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  • SignMeUp
    Family ChildCare Provider
    • Jan 2014
    • 1325

    Originally posted by Childminder
    IF a regulation is ever in doubt or IF you should get written up for any violation that is questionable, request in writing the complete ruling and technical information. If she/he cannot show you the information, in writing, contact the State and get it waived and removed from your record. By email is a great way to do so because you have her/his id and it is in writing.
    Yes, and I would, I suppose, if that happened. But it's kind of like governing by fear and intimidation, if you know what I mean. IF we are told how to do something in an authorized class, we pretty much have to take it as a rule, even though it isn't in any law or reg that we know of. We feel forced to abide by what we are told will be enforced. (And that it's all up the the "interpretation" of the law or reg by the licensor.)

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    • Play Care
      Daycare.com Member
      • Dec 2012
      • 6642

      Oops, double post.

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      • KidGrind
        Daycare.com Member
        • Sep 2013
        • 1099

        I got a ding for not having pictures of my DCK’s families placed on my walls.

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        • NightOwl
          Advanced Daycare.com Member
          • Mar 2014
          • 2722

          Originally posted by KidGrind
          I got a ding for not having pictures of my DCK’s families placed on my walls.
          Say WHAT? In YOUR home??

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          • nannyde
            All powerful, all knowing daycare whisperer
            • Mar 2010
            • 7320

            Originally posted by KidGrind
            I got a ding for not having pictures of my DCK’s families placed on my walls.
            Wha?

            Oh please tell me you are joking
            http://www.amazon.com/Daycare-Whispe...=doing+daycare

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            • LysesKids
              Daycare.com Member
              • May 2014
              • 2836

              Originally posted by KidGrind
              I got a ding for not having pictures of my DCK’s families placed on my walls.
              I barely have pics of my own family up... I surely would not put up pics of daycare kids (ocassionally I get mini pics on holidays, but they go on the fridge under a magnet )

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              • hope
                Daycare.com Member
                • Feb 2013
                • 1513

                Originally posted by KidGrind
                I got a ding for not having pictures of my DCK’s families placed on my walls.
                I wanted to put some pictures of the dcm's up and my DH said no way will we put holes in our walls for that!

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                • KidGrind
                  Daycare.com Member
                  • Sep 2013
                  • 1099

                  Originally posted by nannyde
                  Wha?

                  Oh please tell me you are joking
                  I am not joking.

                  I wish I were. I imagine some think I’ve been exaggerating when it comes to the regulations, struggle and systematic push out that I’ve been going through for just shy of a year now.

                  I had Caring for Children in Family Child Care modules (13) to complete in 18 months. I completed in 11 months.

                  Teaching Strategies Gold was introduced as a tool/option. Now, it’s mandatory and I have to complete those modules. I have to have profiles on each child in care, drop-ins included.

                  My schedule and activity plan must have child initiated activities. Yet, before I got the ding I was told I could not have free play. Also my activity plan must include TS Gold objectives. In addition it must be individualized per specific children.

                  Basically, I have no freedom to run my program as an independent contractor/business owner.

                  I have until 04 August 14 to comply. I literally feel my home has been invaded and violated. I feel sod***ized as a FCC Provider.

                  A tear just fell. I will not let them win.

                  Note: I have not even began to scratch the surface of my situation.

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                  • crazydaycarelady
                    Not really crazy
                    • Jul 2012
                    • 1457

                    e.j. Does the reg say how big the exit signs have to be? We are required to have a No Smoking sign, so I do - it's about 2x2 inches posted on my bulletin board.

                    We had the state try and push a couple of regs through but the providers were able to prevent them. The first was that the provider would have to see and hear the children at all times. It got changed to see and/or hear. Also they were trying to make a reg that if the provider went anywhere with an infant in a car then there must be another adult in the car also. Even though the parents drive to our house with only one adult in the car!

                    I agree about the ratios, a longevity clause would be nice. After 23 years I am more the competent to watch a couple more than 6 kids.

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                    • e.j.
                      Daycare.com Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 3738

                      Originally posted by crazydaycarelady
                      e.j. Does the reg say how big the exit signs have to be? We are required to have a No Smoking sign, so I do - it's about 2x2 inches posted on my bulletin board.
                      No, the reg doesn't state how big it has to be. It only states, "Exit signs must be posted in rooms that have direct access to the outdoors." (I might understand better if signs were to be posted in rooms that have no direct access to the outdoors. ) I did make my first set of signs very small so they wouldn't be too obvious but prior to my inspection the last time I re-licensed, I had heard from other providers who said their smaller signs weren't acceptable. I changed mine to 7x5 and got the okay on them. At this point, they're just a conversation piece. I usually get a "Seriously??!" look and when I explain that it's a state reg, people just start laughing.

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                      • Unregistered

                        Here's a new one in I just found out the hard way.In Michigan you can only be a family daycare if you are also a licensed foster parent. I am a group daycare and you can care for 12 but if you are dual license you can only take care of 8 kids including foster kids.Confused as why someone who runs a succesful group daycare who wants to also adopt older foster kids get penalized?? Excuse me for wanting to make a difference in the lives of more children!

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                        • Unregistered

                          Regulations.

                          My fire Marshall and licensor can't come to an agreement about my daycare kids being downstairs for part of the day without an egress window. Licensing says I can as long as no one sleeps down there, fire Marshall said I can't even go get art supplies with my kids to bring upstairs. I put them against each other and they said they can be down there until I have the means to put one in. Wth?! How long does that give me? It just has to be done by my next inspection with the fire Marshall which could be tomorrow or 2 years from now.

                          Our state ratio says our group license can have 17 kids in our home(if enough square feet is available) and have an assistant for part of the time but our city not county our city says no more than 12 (we don't need an assistant for 12).

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                          • DaveA
                            Daycare.com Member and Bladesmith
                            • Jul 2014
                            • 4245

                            When I helped my folks build their daycare center we converted 2 units of a 3 unit apartment building. Even though we put in the fire alarm system they wanted, we left the battery smoke alarms on the wall since the required setup had to be wired on a dedicated circuit breaker. Fire marshal flipped out, so in the name of safety we had to pull the only 4 smoke alarms out that would work if the power went out for any length of time. UGH!

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                            • SignMeUp
                              Family ChildCare Provider
                              • Jan 2014
                              • 1325

                              Originally posted by DaveArmour
                              When I helped my folks build their daycare center we converted 2 units of a 3 unit apartment building. Even though we put in the fire alarm system they wanted, we left the battery smoke alarms on the wall since the required setup had to be wired on a dedicated circuit breaker. Fire marshal flipped out, so in the name of safety we had to pull the only 4 smoke alarms out that would work if the power went out for any length of time. UGH!
                              Don't the hardwired detectors have battery backup?

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                              • Margarete
                                Daycare.com Member
                                • Jun 2013
                                • 290

                                This is an excerpt from what was said in an email from my regional manager.
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                                To clarify for you …. YES, the law says that if you are a current licensed provider (so NOT inactive)… you must at all times be “licensed ready”… which means even if children are not in care and we show up during your day care hours and/or 1 hour prior and/or one hour after you close for the day, to do an inspection, you must allow us to enter (Inspection Authority), have locks in place, knives up and away, and be fully compliant with the Title 22 regulations.
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                                I am working on changing local policy... as actually the law says (court case in California http://scholar.google.com/scholar_ca...=2006&as_vis=1

                                "A family day care home is a business only when children cared for from other families for compensation are present and at all other times is a private residence"......"The state's warrantless inspection authority should not extend beyond the "closely regulated business" in which the provider engages."

                                Her interpretation means that even an hour before and after 'normal hours', or on a holiday; and even if you had no children (of your own or day care children present), you would have to be fully compliant (or any other time, as they could come by outside of those hours for a complaint).
                                Which means you could never set a table with steak knifes, your older children could never shower on their own (shampoo, and conditioner can not be accessible), or brush their teeth on their own, as even children's toothpaste says "keep out of reach of children"; locks and baby gates can never be taken down or left open; and all sorts of other rules that don't work or make sense in a private setting.

                                Legal is reviewing the information I brought to her attention.

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