Ridiculous Regulations

[Bookworm]

The only plus I could see to working outside the home in a center would be that it would be more like a "real":: job in that you get lunch, breaks, health insurance, vacation time, etc. If that wasn't the case, I couldn't justify staying there to work.

In my state we are never allowed to be out of ratio - even for a moment. I'd be a bit weary of working in a place that didn't have protocols or staff in place to deal with that. I have a feeling the director would let the staff be the "fall" guy if licensing were to show up...

Yes, the Director would be the fall guy if we were out if ratio because it is considered a staffing issue and staffing is the Director's responsibility.

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The only plus I could see to working outside the home in a center would be that it would be more like a "real":: job in that you get lunch, breaks, health insurance, vacation time, etc. If that wasn't the case, I couldn't justify staying there to work.

In my state we are never allowed to be out of ratio - even for a moment. I'd be a bit weary of working in a place that didn't have protocols or staff in place to deal with that. I have a feeling the director would let the staff be the "fall" guy if licensing were to show up...

Yes, that's what I was thinking too. But it sounds like it wasn't/isn't the case for the previous poster.:confused:

[racemom]

The only plus I could see to working outside the home in a center would be that it would be more like a "real":: job in that you get lunch, breaks, health insurance, vacation time, etc. If that wasn't the case, I couldn't justify staying there to work.

In my state we are never allowed to be out of ratio - even for a moment. I'd be a bit weary of working in a place that didn't have protocols or staff in place to deal with that. I have a feeling the director would let the staff be the "fall" guy if licensing were to show up...

Wow this seems harsh. Even our licensing rep understands everyone has to pee occasionally so if your room is napping and a staff member is present she will not write us up for going to the bathroom. And yes it would be the director to be cited not staff here. Although I am proud to say our center has always received excellent ratings so we have never been non compliant on anything.

[MOM OF 4]

We have to post our fire/storm emergency plans too, complete with map. Because I don't know where my doors are. And because infants will check the map before exiting the home ::

LOL We had to do that too.

[Blackcat31]

The dumbest one here is the one that does not allow the daycare provider's child to leave the designated daycare area with the other parent during childcare hours. "They are subject to the rules to which all of the daycare children are subject" is what we are told.
They also cannot go to their own rooms during daycare hours unless their room is designated as a daycare area.

Minnesota

I am in Minnesota. I've been licensed for two decades.

That is not a state rule that I have ever read.

Can you link me the section it says that in?

It may be a county rule but I've never read or heard anything like that in our state regulations.

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I am in Minnesota. I've been licensed for two decades.

That is not a state rule that I have ever read.

Can you link me the section it says that in?

It may be a county rule but I've never read or heard anything like that in our state regulations.

That is enforced in Hennepin, BlackCat. No clue where it is in writing, but we have been told. And I believe it was in the county daycare newsletter back when they still did one. Hennepin does a lot of "interpretation" of the rules/laws. It's a real problem for providers.

[Blackcat31]

That is enforced in Hennepin, BlackCat. No clue where it is in writing, but we have been told. And I believe it was in the county daycare newsletter back when they still did one. Hennepin does a lot of "interpretation" of the rules/laws. It's a real problem for providers.

Whew! I was like I've never read that so I was hoping/guessing it was a county thing not state.

Thank goodness.

****s for those of you in Hennepin county area.

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Whew! I was like I've never read that so I was hoping/guessing it was a county thing not state.

Thank goodness.

****s for those of you in Hennepin county area.

Constantly.
I just looked back in the three newsletters that are online, but it's not in there. It was most likely in one of the "supervision" trainings. Does your county do newsletters to keep you updated on changes?

[Play Care]

Wow this seems harsh. Even our licensing rep understands everyone has to pee occasionally so if your room is napping and a staff member is present she will not write us up for going to the bathroom. And yes it would be the director to be cited not staff here. Although I am proud to say our center has always received excellent ratings so we have never been non compliant on anything.

Not really - I think licensing thinks that centers should have the staff to accommodate bathroom breaks (not that people can't use the bathroom ) Most centers in my area deal with this by making sure all staff are also cleared to be in the classroom. A center I worked at in college had the cook come in to cover, but it's not unheard of to have the bus driver or office lady in the rooms either.

[NightOwl]

Snowflake Snowmageddon

Snowmageddon! That made me literally :: ::

[NightOwl]

The thing that bugs me in Alabama is the very loose interpretation allowed for our regulations by the dhr reps. Can providers or centers interpret the regs? Nooooo ma'am. So I feel like it's a guessing game half the time. Does a reg that states "abc must be out of children's reach" mean it must be up high? That's what you'd think right? They can come in and say "no, abc needs to be locked. That's what that reg REALLY means by 'out of reach'".

[racemom]

Not really - I think licensing thinks that centers should have the staff to accommodate bathroom breaks (not that people can't use the bathroom ) Most centers in my area deal with this by making sure all staff are also cleared to be in the classroom. A center I worked at in college had the cook come in to cover, but it's not unheard of to have the bus driver or office lady in the rooms either.

Yes but you are thinking of large centers we only have 4 or 5 staff at a time depending on our numbers for the day. Being small we don't have cooks, bus drivers or office personnel.

Edited: my original thought behind this was are kids safer napping alone in a home daycare than a center? Not to debate whether we should have staff to cover breaks or not, and I am sorry I even brought it up.

[Blackcat31]

Constantly.
I just looked back in the three newsletters that are online, but it's not in there. It was most likely in one of the "supervision" trainings. Does your county do newsletters to keep you updated on changes?

Yes, we get regular monthly newsletter e-mails from our licensor but my county doesn't have any rules/regulations the state doesn't have.

Thankfully.

[nanglgrl]

I started in Iowa in 93 and there were regs. They haven't changed a ton. I think they have changed four times.

Nan I don't think you are right thinking on the unregistered. I think the state would prefer unregistered. That's why the number of kids is so high. They now must do a yearly visit so they don't want the number of registered to exceed the number the few inspectors can visit.

There is a lot of value in being unregistered.

I agree with you completely Nan. Do you think thT in the 90's they just didn't enforce or care about regs as much? Maybe it's just my bad memory but I remember daycare being a lot like babysitting back then with no over site unless they received a complaint against you.

[nothingwithoutjoy]

I am licensed for 8 kids: 6 preschoolers and 2 school-aged kids. But my home-schooled daughter (and any home-schooled kids I might chose to enroll) count in the 6 kids, not as school-agers--no matter how old they are. That's ridiculous! All summer long and snow days and school closings it's fine to have school-agers all day long, but somehow doing it at other times it will suddenly become unmanageable?