Would You Turn Unlicensed Providers In?

[MsLisa]

Sorry some providers go that far... I had a center in AR open right down the street 3 years ago that wanted to know how I ran, what I charged etc.. (owner called me direct). It's all right there on my website people. Don't expect me to explain the Eco certs to you, you'll have to earn that one yourself

Seriously, was I that big of a threat to a 50 + kid center ( I had 5 kids at most) because I was within .5 miles? Apparently I was, she set her rates to undercut mine - she was out of business within 2 months also .

It completely caught me off guard. I knew it wasn't a "mom" who asked that. What gets me is that there are at least 5 other posts on CL that are way worse, almost daily. Why bother ME? If anything we should be sticking together and runs those out. Plus who knows, maybe in another year or so I'll apply to her company. (I'll have an immense amount of credentials then.)
I feel a mix of both "why bother" annoyed and at the same time empowered by it.

--sorry to go off topic

[Blackcat31]

Ha! I was wondering if I was the only one who thought this?::

I guessed it was her before I got caught up on the thread. I was really hoping I would be the first one to mention it ::

Craftymissbeth mentioned it in an earlier post half way down the first page.

However, I don't believe it was QotP. (explanation as to why is also in an earlier post in this thread)

[mountainside13]

Craftymissbeth mentioned it in an earlier post half way down the first page.

However, I don't believe it was QotP. (explanation as to why is also in an earlier post in this thread)

It's a mystery! I'm really curious! ::

[EntropyControlSpecialist]

I don't even know how you guys have time/know about these ads. Seems a little petty. I also think it's extreme that some state require a license to basically be a nanny (have one child). I wouldn't turn anyone in, because one I probably wouldn't know (I have a life to lead and am too busy to be a nosey body). Two, there's no way to know if someone is licensed or not. I also think things like this take away from real cases of abuse. I mean, should the government be inspecting a person who's caring for one kid (in some states) and probably not doing anything wrong or the foster family that's feeding the child dog food? Things like this is why REAL abuse usually doesn't get taken care of at all in a lot of cases, because the social workers are too busy with this bs,

I gotta say...I operate an in-home with 10 children here, have an infant of my own, run the household, and I adopted a "REAL ABUSED" teenager (who, for the record, was never removed from his abusive home despite the state coming out many times) and I still turn over people I come across operating illegally. Illegal is illegal...and if I see it I WILL report it. My state's inspectors for daycares is a completely different department of the family protective services unit. It takes minimal time and effort and if more people were reporting ILLEGAL anything then we would have a lot less problems than we do today. Thanks.

[CraftyMom]

Craftymissbeth mentioned it in an earlier post half way down the first page.

However, I don't believe it was QotP. (explanation as to why is also in an earlier post in this thread)

I commented before I finished reading

Didn't realize how long this thread had gotten, then I saw others commenting the same thing about QotPG.

Thinking about it, you are right. Her comments were more educated.

This person seems to be adamantly defending illegal daycares...must be operating illegally, but then we'd be calling him/her a Nazi for calling them out on it apparently

Given the context of the posts, my guess is this person was operating illegally with one or two kids, and I'm sure took very good care of them, but got caught without a license and is now lashing out.

[daycare]

that lady really had an impact on us that we are still bringing up her name..

BC all I have to say is you have a GREAT since of judgement and you called it when you saw it....


I am so ready for closing time to come..

[Sugar Magnolia]

LOL Are you serious? Nice reading comprehension skills. I was BEING SARCASTIC, S T U P I D. Got it? I know that might be too much for your pea brain. P.S. I get most you care, because it's about M O N E Y. Like I said, pat yourself on the back. When the government and CPS is too busy checking on your competition and not on real abuse, give yourself a gold medal.

Why so vicious? Why? Why? Why? It takes sooooo much energy to be that hurtful, your spirit would feel so much better if you let that anger go. I truly feel sorry for you harboring all that ill will, its a burden you don't need,.especially if you are caring for kids.

Your comments about Nazi stuff offend Jewish people, btw. I'd appreciate an apology.

Please try to find a way to release all that hatred. Maybe you can join here and find some support. This is not sarcasm, I'm truly trying to help you. :hug:

[Hunni Bee]

I love how people on here who are in favor of illegal daycare always go to "helping/caring about kids" as in "I truly care about the kids so I shouldn't have to be licensed even though I'm required to by law". What exactly does that have to do with anything? Sigh...

[Heidi]

LOL Are you serious? Nice reading comprehension skills. I was BEING SARCASTIC, S T U P I D. Got it? I know that might be too much for your pea brain. P.S. I get most you care, because it's about M O N E Y. Like I said, pat yourself on the back. When the government and CPS is too busy checking on your competition and not on real abuse, give yourself a gold medal.

Oh gosh, I missed this earlier.

A complete stranger who trolls the internet to cause trouble called me a stupid pea brain!

Oh man, now I'm heartbroken. I mean, my whole sense of self-worth is just completely drained. I will never get over this!

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[Sugar Magnolia]

Oh gosh, I missed this earlier.

A complete stranger who trolls the internet to cause trouble called me a stupid pea brain!

Oh man, now I'm heartbroken. I mean, my whole sense of self-worth is just completely drained. I will never get over this!

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I'm not sure it's a true troll. Maybe this was someone who was abused themselves as a child, or knows a child who fell through the cracks of an overworked and ineffective CPS system. Unregistered may be an illegal provider, but really seems more concerned/upset/angry with abuse. His or her harsh words to you, Heidi, were waaaaay out of line though. Sad. Hope that person gets help.

[Heidi]

I'm not sure it's a true troll. Maybe this was someone who was abused themselves as a child, or knows a child who fell through the cracks of an overworked and ineffective CPS system. Unregistered may be an illegal provider, but really seems more concerned/upset/angry with abuse. His or her harsh words to you, Heidi, were waaaaay out of line though. Sad. Hope that person gets help.

Always kind, Sugar Thanks for thinking of that perspective.

It seems in most states, childcare regulation and CPS/child abuse units are completely separate. It is sad that the resources are so limited, that abused children are not being helped. That, too me, should be a higher priority than shutting down illegal providers. Still, illegal providers are a safety issue, especially those that have many more children than they can care for. For those states that require a license for even one child, maybe their resources would be better utilized if they allowed some non-regulated care. In WI, that's 3 or fewer children under age 7.

I doubt there is one person here that thinks our government uses it's resources wisely. An example of that is the QRIS's. We've probably said it 100 times. Why pour money into a NEW system when the established one doesn't have the money to do IT"S job?

In 2011 , a baby died in an unregulated home here in WI. The lady had been doing childcare for some 20 years or more. She put baby on the floor on a blanket on his tummy. He died. In response, we had a legislator try to change the law to make EVERYONE get regulated, even if just caring for one child. I think the bill never went anywhere. If they can't or won't police the thousands of illegal providers now, how on earth would they do it if they add more of them?

http://www.jrn.com/tmj4/news/i-team/126221973.html

This article actually has the answer right there. She wasn't regulated, but had more children then she should. So, their answer would be to regulate more providers. But, if they regulated more providers, they wouldn't have the resources to check them all, and more people would just run illegal anyway. arggghhh!

[Sugar Magnolia]

Always kind, Sugar Thanks for thinking of that perspective.

It seems in most states, childcare regulation and CPS/child abuse units are completely separate. It is sad that the resources are so limited, that abused children are not being helped. That, too me, should be a higher priority than shutting down illegal providers. Still, illegal providers are a safety issue, especially those that have many more children than they can care for. For those states that require a license for even one child, maybe their resources would be better utilized if they allowed some non-regulated care. In WI, that's 3 or fewer children under age 7.

I doubt there is one person here that thinks our government uses it's resources wisely. An example of that is the QRIS's. We've probably said it 100 times. Why pour money into a NEW system when the established one doesn't have the money to do IT"S job?

In 2011 , a baby died in an unregulated home here in WI. The lady had been doing childcare for some 20 years or more. She put baby on the floor on a blanket on his tummy. He died. In response, we had a legislator try to change the law to make EVERYONE get regulated, even if just caring for one child. I think the bill never went anywhere. If they can't or won't police the thousands of illegal providers now, how on earth would they do it if they add more of them?

http://www.jrn.com/tmj4/news/i-team/126221973.html

This article actually has the answer right there. She wasn't regulated, but had more children then she should. So, their answer would be to regulate more providers. But, if they regulated more providers, they wouldn't have the resources to check them all, and more people would just run illegal anyway. arggghhh!

As many previous posters pointed out, licensing usually handles child care regulations, and DCF/CPS handles abuse accusations, so two totally different and separate agencies handling two different issues. Both agencies are likely under staffed and under funded nationwide. I favor cracking down on illegal providers, especially those that are over ratios. But they can't do it without staff and funding, and we all know how fired up taxpayers get when a state agency asks for additional funding. Sad.

[NightOwl]

I'm not sure it's a true troll. Maybe this was someone who was abused themselves as a child, or knows a child who fell through the cracks of an overworked and ineffective CPS system. Unregistered may be an illegal provider, but really seems more concerned/upset/angry with abuse. His or her harsh words to you, Heidi, were waaaaay out of line though. Sad. Hope that person gets help.

Just another example of why I believe users should be required to register before posting. Name calling is much more rare when the person is accountable.

[Unregistered]

Just another example of why I believe users should be required to register before posting. Name calling is much more rare when the person is accountable.

I'm a registered user, but I want to say this without getting flamed. Wednesday, you have a certain standard that you want others to use when dealing with you, but you don't use that same tack with others. You've said some pretty rude comments yourself and sometimes you like to add to the drama. We're getting back on topic and you're talking about drama. Also, I've PMed people in the past. A lot of users are tired of your agenda. Michael has already spoken on the topic. Maybe you should PM him. You turn a lot of topics into your soapbox and I know I'm not the only one who's tired of it.

[midaycare]

I'm a registered user, but I want to say this without getting flamed. Wednesday, you have a certain standard that you want others to use when dealing with you, but you don't use that same tack with others. You've said some pretty rude comments yourself and sometimes you like to add to the drama. We're getting back on topic and you're talking about drama. Also, I've PMed people in the past. A lot of users are tired of your agenda. Michael has already spoken on the topic. Maybe you should PM him. You turn a lot of topics into your soapbox and I know I'm not the only one who's tired of it.

I don't believe there is a reason to continue to talk down to people. I don't know about any controversy with Wednesday, as I don't read nearly every post, but I quite enjoy her postings, as I do every registered user on this site.

It's okay to have a different opinion than others, but it's not okay to talk down to or talk bad about people because they think differently than you.