Would You Turn Unlicensed Providers In?

[KiddieCahoots]

It's very sad, I'm accused of breaking the law because I'm not petty and truly care about the welfare of child (not solely money).

We do not claim to know all the rules, but we try damn hard to accomplish them as required to do so BECAUSE we care of the welfare of children. That is in part why we are here reaching out to each other....to learn!

You apparently do not know all the rules either, otherwise you wouldn't get so critical to people that do a good job caring for the welfare of children.

[Heidi]

No, you SAID you are running illegally. Also, you're the one who keeps bringing up the Nazi crap. No one else has even mentioned it. I doubt anyone equates someone who cares for too many kids without a license with someone who packs people into work camps, tortures and kills them. It's kind of a ridiculous comparison.

[MrsSteinel'sHouse]

It's very sad, I'm accused of breaking the law because I'm not petty and truly care about the welfare of child (not solely money).

No you are "being accused of breaking the law" if you are illegally running a childcare.

[LysesKids]

So you are legally licensed or legally unlicensed?

Legally license exempt, but I have all the background clearance and other licensing requirements needed for the state because of Foster kids... CPR/first aid the whole shebang

I have been licensed/registered in 4 states, legally license exempt in 2

[KiddieCahoots]

A Friday feeding occurred!! Lol

I think the thing that bothers me is when people set up illegally and the ones with no real intent to do anything but make some fast money are what do me in.

They don't create safe situations/environments for the children and then when things go south "we" daycare providers that spend countless hours in trainings, reinvest in the health and safety of these children take the hit for it.

We see it in the media all the time.

Regardless of how it's done if it's illegal then yes you should be turned in.

Lol! Friday feeding.......

And when it's in the media, it brings down daycare as a whole.

[melilley]

This is not what this is like at all, though. This is like someone driving around with insurance and you report them, because you feel they shouldn't have a car or a car that is nicer than your car. Most people are admitting, even subtly, it's not really about the kids/abuse. It's about money. Like I said, report until your heart is content. If you even accidentally cross the line or forget to dot an i, don't be surprised when the boom comes down on you. Just as when you fear HORROR stories of the abuse some children are going through, pat yourself on the shoulder for reporting a person who had one kid. Do I think people should be doing illegal care? No, but there's a difference between that and real child abuse. I can get behind reporting someone with a lot of children or who is hurting them in some fashion, but not someone who has 2 or 3 kids and just not licensed.

That has nothing to do with whether or not you are doing something ILLEGAL. Being unlicensed in a state where you are required to be licensed is ILLEGAL. It has nothing to do with having 1 or 10 kids or if they are abusers or not. The fact is that people are running illegal day cares out of their homes. While I agree that some rules/regulations are ridiculous, we still have them and they need to be followed whether you agree with them or not.

This issue will always be debated and there will always be people who think it's OK to operate illegally.

[permanentvacation]

If anyone is doing anything ILLEGALLY, they should be turned over to the authorities. If you are illegally watching children, illegally taking items from a store, illegally selling drugs, illegally driving a car, whatever it is that you are doing, if it is ILLEGAL, than it is ILLEGAL and you should have to suffer the consequences.

[midaycare]

This is not what this is like at all, though. This is like someone driving around with insurance and you report them, because you feel they shouldn't have a car or a car that is nicer than your car. Most people are admitting, even subtly, it's not really about the kids/abuse. It's about money. Like I said, report until your heart is content. If you even accidentally cross the line or forget to dot an i, don't be surprised when the boom comes down on you. Just as when you fear HORROR stories of the abuse some children are going through, pat yourself on the shoulder for reporting a person who had one kid. Do I think people should be doing illegal care? No, but there's a difference between that and real child abuse. I can get behind reporting someone with a lot of children or who is hurting them in some fashion, but not someone who has 2 or 3 kids and just not licensed.

I went through a lengthy process here to get licensed. I had to spend money, go to class, and have in home evaluations. It was stressful and a pita, but I had to do it. You have to be licensed in Michigan. Why should others not have to do what I had to?

[Annalee]

I went through a lengthy process here to get licensed. I had to spend money, go to class, and have in home evaluations. It was stressful and a pita, but I had to do it. You have to be licensed in Michigan. Why should others not have to do what I had to?

In my state, when I mention there are persons I know keeping too many children with NO license, licensing tells me they are NOT allowed to go in these unlicensed homes unless their is a complaint but by law, they can come to my daycare anytime....makes alot of sense doesn't it????? :confused::confused:

[Unregistered]

No, you SAID you are running illegally. Also, you're the one who keeps bringing up the Nazi crap. No one else has even mentioned it. I doubt anyone equates someone who cares for too many kids without a license with someone who packs people into work camps, tortures and kills them. It's kind of a ridiculous comparison.

LOL Are you serious? Nice reading comprehension skills. I was BEING SARCASTIC, S T U P I D. Got it? I know that might be too much for your pea brain. P.S. I get most you care, because it's about M O N E Y. Like I said, pat yourself on the back. When the government and CPS is too busy checking on your competition and not on real abuse, give yourself a gold medal.

[Unregistered]

I went through a lengthy process here to get licensed. I had to spend money, go to class, and have in home evaluations. It was stressful and a pita, but I had to do it. You have to be licensed in Michigan. Why should others not have to do what I had to?

The last line tells it all. It's not about the children or possible abuse. It's about being petty. You know what? Licensed centers abuse children, too. It's not so clean and cut. I think you should be licensed or if you're not only take as many as nonlicensed legally can, but I think people who don't know the going ons should mind their business. I find it funny people are complaining about low business, but you're on CL all day. Maybe you should spend more time marketing your center. I also think parents can tell what providers (licensed or not) CARE for their children and which ones are in it solely for money.

[Blackcat31]

LOL Are you serious? Nice reading comprehension skills. I was BEING SARCASTIC, S T U P I D. Got it? I know that might be too much for your pea brain. P.S. I get most you care, because it's about M O N E Y. Like I said, pat yourself on the back. When the government and CPS is too busy checking on your competition and not on real abuse, give yourself a gold medal.

Well, this was starting to look like a good conversation/debate but you had to go and ruin it.

Pat yourself on the back.

Name calling says MORE about YOU than it does about the person you are talking to.

Please find another board to contribute to as none of us appreciate an unregistered user pretending to know it all and then acting like a spoiled toddler that didn't get their way.

[Unregistered]

Well, this was starting to look like a good conversation/debate but you had to go and ruin it.

Pat yourself on the back.

Name calling says MORE about YOU than it does about the person you are talking to.

Please find another board to contribute to as none of us appreciate an unregistered user pretending to know it all and then acting like a spoiled toddler that didn't get their way.

I'm back to say this. I like how me being rude got me banned, but you were rude to me and accused me of running an illegal day care. When you're pointing a finger at me, MODERATOR, four are back to you.

[craftymissbeth]

Not everyone who runs unlicensed has something to hide... in my state they won't license me because I take 4 or less kids, and yes i still have over site, but only because I am on food program & I care for Foster kids; I run licensed whenever possible, but even TN has gotten rid of registration for providers not having enough kids to get licensed; thats not my fault... I run like I am licensed still but the state has rules in place that don't always make sense.

AR was the same way... Either take enough kids to get licensed or stay legally license exempt with fewer kids. Registration is really no longer an option because the state thinsk it's to much of a pain to essentially license homes that don't have alot of kids.

In my previous comment, I mentioned that in my state you have to beicensed if watching children for a total of 20 hours or more per week. I'm referring to ILLEGALLY unlicensed providers. Guess I should have specified again.

And when I say "something to hide"... well, if they're running illegally then THATS something to hide. Ugh, I'm not saying every illegal provider is doing terrible things.., I'm saying that they should be reported because they're doing something ILLEGAL.

[Blackcat31]

I'm back to say this. I like how me being rude got me banned, but you were rude to me and accused me of running an illegal day care. When you're pointing a finger at me, MODERATOR, four are back to you.

I didn't accuse you of anything.

I asked you a question that you refused to answer.

NOT the same thing.

Plus, how do you know I actually have all 5 of my fingers?

Maybe there are only 3 pointing back at me.... don't make assumptions...it will always come back to bite you.