New New York Regulations- What Are You All Doing ?

[Blackcat31]

Here is the link for the regs that are suppose to go into effect in May 2014 that Familycare71 is referring to.

http://ocfs.ny.gov/main/legal/Regulatory/final/

Although they have added the wording about hours of operation according to the application, the rule following about notifying the office about any changes remains the same.

THAT would be how to work around or within the guidelines.

Just notify the office of any operating hours changes.

[Familycare71]

All due respect as I don't want to be argumentative or right .
Above you will see building- that is my entire home. MAYBE they will peek in rooms- they CAN search my underwear drawer. That's my only point.
I used to be able to contact my inspector because that person was also my registrar- so I understand some of you can do that. I cannot. My inspector varies. They are from a diff office than my registrar. So yes- I can call my registrar or e-mail and say I'm closed but it doesn't assure I won't be inspected based on the hours on my app.
I can adjust my hours on my app as start and close times vary but that doesn't account for early pick ups, late drop offs, days I close, etc...

I truly appreciate everyone's perspective and thoughts- no worries ill take it the wrong way because I am seeking that very thing
That's why I love this group! Diff ways of seeing and dealing and hopefully I will learn some things - which I have already on this post

[Familycare71]

Here is the link for the regs that are suppose to go into effect in May 2014 that Familycare71 is referring to.

http://ocfs.ny.gov/main/legal/Regulatory/final/

Although they have added the wording about hours of operation according to the application, the rule following about notifying the office about any changes remains the same.

THAT would be how to work around or within the guidelines.

Just notify the office of any operating hours changes.

Thank you!!! I didn't link
For me the notification won't always work- but you can bet they will know every time I close even 5 min early so when I say- sorry I'm closed come back I can add: I notified my registrar

[Blackcat31]

Not to beat a dead horse, but 417.15 10 i isn't even a regulation. Where did you get that number from?

It is actually 417.15(b)(10)(i)

[Leanna]

Now hopefully no one here thinks I am trying to be argumentative or difficult. I was just licensed this past January and am more interested in being clear on these things before they become an issue for me. I do also feel that is depends on your individual licensor as to how strict they are. I sincerely do apologize if I seem to be arguing with anyone as I truly am not.

Now with this being said, number 1 above wouldn't happen here. I have 3 of my own kids (11, 6 and 4) and a wife who leaves for work early in the am. (leaves hair dryer and curling iron out sometimes) When I get up every morning, I pour myself a good sized mug of coffee, and spend 10 minutes walking around the house (and outside if its nice out).. picking up and taking care of things that may be in violation and locking doors to non daycare areas. I consider this part of my job and it rarely takes too much effort. The lid on the outdoor trash can might happen here if it blew off during the day as I would have replaced it during my morning inspection.. but if I were cited for it on a day that's obviously windy enough to blow it off.. welp, I would definitely fight that one.

Number 3 above.. The way I understand the regulation, and the way my licensor (and the class I took for heath/safety covered this too) explained it to me is that every child in my care is to have 2 blue cards. One to be filed on the premises and the other to be with the child. If we for example go to the park, I would take with us my first aid kit and in this kit is a copy of every child's blue card. So with that same idea in mind, if a child goes by ambulance to the hospital, I also send the blue card from my first aid kit with them. I still however have another one here on file so if I were inspected the next day its here.

Number 4 above.... Physicals.. I completely understand that doctors can quite often be booked up. I also have dealt with insurance companies before too in regard to the one year + 1 day since the last physical. I checked the regulation and all I could find was 417.11(e) that a physical must be done before accepting them into care. This being the case, they get it before they are registered here and attend their first day, or they don't start until its done. (immunizations are different as if the appointment is made to have it done they can start 417.11(e)(1))

You mentioned above that "if it expires on March 1st".. and I am honestly not clear by reading the regulation how often a new physical needs to be done to keep them in care. I am assuming its no more often than once a year. Now that being said.. If a child is enrolled here, and their physical expires on March 1st.. Why cant the parent call and make the appointment to have it done 2 or 3 months earlier? If its because of an insurance thing, then make the appointment 366 days after the last one.. but don't wait until March 28th and complain that the "doctor is booked through April and cant get my child in"

I did also find in the regulations that its the day care providers responsibility to keep track of immunizations and when they are due, and to remind the parents a minimum of 30 days prior to this. I know we discussing physicals and not immunizations but I figure close enough. I personally have no problem telling a parent a couple months in advance that if their child isn't up to date on these things in 60-90 days from now that they will be excluded. If the parent doesn't follow through and make the appt. in time, then its not my problem if the child cant be here.

I too check around inside and out everyday before kids arrive...what happens on those bright sunny days when your oldest kiddo might be out in the yard after you have done your walk through but before you brought the DCK's out? Maybe he/she needed a little WD-40 for that squeaky wheel (or some scissors to cut a flower, or a glass jar to put the cool bug in, etc.) and didn't want to bother you so they were careful and went ahead & did it and they totally meant to put it away but, Oh, wait, is that Corey heading over? And Adrian too? Yes, lets go in and play Legos! ...and there lies the forgotten, forbidden whatever.

To clarify, the ambulance took his whole file (they wanted his medical info. as well as medical authorization and contact info). I now make copies of the entire file, not just the blue card.

And yes, I check my outdoor trash cans daily when I do my walk around. The wind blew it off while I was working. When she told me she was citing me for it I told my registrar that I had a lid and it must have blown off. She said, "Well, it isn't on the trash can now."

I am not trying to argue either, really truly. I just want to point out that life is messy. We all strive for 100% perfect inspections because no one wants to think they are doing something unsafe/unhealthy for kids, but **** happens ...and enough **** happens when we are doing our very very best that we don't need to be held to unattainable standards and unrealistic expectations. For the third time, inspect me as often as you want. Give me stringent regulations. BUT respect me, respect my home.

[melskids]

ok...you know what....now I have some ruckus to cause...because those are NOT the regs I was given.

However, now that I see what the heck we're all arguing over....LOL.....it still states "hours of operation given to the office on application"

So if I put on my application I operate from 6 to 6, they can show up anytime during those hours.

But if I am closed I AM NOT OPERATING and I would fight that until the end. I called and spoke with someone yesterday, and that is what they told me, regardless if "I" was reading the wrong regs or not. You'd think they'd know what they're talking about in the regional office.

Meanwhile, I am beyond pissed for accepting the paper regs they handed me and taken that as their word. I better get to reading these new ones.

<walking away now with my tail between my legs>

[Leanna]

ok...you know what....now I have some ruckus to cause...because those are NOT the regs I was given.

However, now that I see what the heck we're all arguing over....LOL.....it still states "hours of operation given to the office on application"

So if I put on my application I operate from 6 to 6, they can show up anytime during those hours.

But if I am closed I AM NOT OPERATING and I would fight that until the end. I called and spoke with someone yesterday, and that is what they told me, regardless if "I" was reading the wrong regs or not. You'd think they'd know what they're talking about in the regional office.

Meanwhile, I am beyond pissed for accepting the paper regs they handed me and taken that as their word. I better get to reading these new ones.

<walking away now with my tail between my legs>

NO! You wag that tail Melskids! This is the kind of bull that I am so angry about. No one I know has been given a proper copy of the new regs. When I told my lic. rep that I had questions about the new regs she said, "We have been instructed not to answer questions about the new regulations." WHAT???? Why can't we get honest answers to our questions??? We ALL want to do the right thing...UGH !

[Familycare71]

I too check around inside and out everyday before kids arrive...what happens on those bright sunny days when your oldest kiddo might be out in the yard after you have done your walk through but before you brought the DCK's out? Maybe he/she needed a little WD-40 for that squeaky wheel (or some scissors to cut a flower, or a glass jar to put the cool bug in, etc.) and didn't want to bother you so they were careful and went ahead & did it and they totally meant to put it away but, Oh, wait, is that Corey heading over? And Adrian too? Yes, lets go in and play Legos! ...and there lies the forgotten, forbidden whatever.

To clarify, the ambulance took his whole file (they wanted his medical info. as well as medical authorization and contact info). I now make copies of the entire file, not just the blue card.

And yes, I check my outdoor trash cans daily when I do my walk around. The wind blew it off while I was working. When she told me she was citing me for it I told my registrar that I had a lid and it must have blown off. She said, "Well, it isn't on the trash can now."

I am not trying to argue either, really truly. I just want to point out that life is messy. We all strive for 100% perfect inspections because no one wants to think they are doing something unsafe/unhealthy for kids, but **** happens ...and enough **** happens when we are doing our very very best that we don't need to be held to unattainable standards and unrealistic expectations. For the third time, inspect me as often as you want. Give me stringent regulations. BUT respect me, respect my home.

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And as the kids get older they get messier . Trust me!!!

[melskids]

Well, I can tell you this much.

We have a meeting this Thursday night with our local registrars, state licensors, the fire safety rep, someone from the regional office, and the union rep.

I wasn't going to go.

Now, you can bet your sweet tooshie I will be bringing a copy of the new regs, a list of questions, and sitting my big ol behind right in the front row.

[Familycare71]

ok...you know what....now I have some ruckus to cause...because those are NOT the regs I was given.

However, now that I see what the heck we're all arguing over....LOL.....it still states "hours of operation given to the office on application"

So if I put on my application I operate from 6 to 6, they can show up anytime during those hours.

But if I am closed I AM NOT OPERATING and I would fight that until the end. I called and spoke with someone yesterday, and that is what they told me, regardless if "I" was reading the wrong regs or not. You'd think they'd know what they're talking about in the regional office.

Meanwhile, I am beyond pissed for accepting the paper regs they handed me and taken that as their word. I better get to reading these new ones.

<walking away now with my tail between my legs>

That is why I started the thread- to hear ideas, what others were told and to help ensure everyone is understanding what we, as NY providers, are agreeing to
I think they are being sketchy... And I think the inspectors and registrors don't know either. For me that is concerning!! But welcome to NY I guess

[Familycare71]

NO! You wag that tail Melskids! This is the kind of bull that I am so angry about. No one I know has been given a proper copy of the new regs. When I told my lic. rep that I had questions about the new regs she said, "We have been instructed not to answer questions about the new regulations." WHAT???? Why can't we get honest answers to our questions??? We ALL want to do the right thing...UGH !

We ALL need to wag our tails!

[Familycare71]

Well, I can tell you this much.

We have a meeting this Thursday night with our local registrars, state licensors, the fire safety rep, someone from the regional office, and the union rep.

I wasn't going to go.

Now, you can bet your sweet tooshie I will be bringing a copy of the new regs, a list of questions, and sitting my big ol behind right in the front row.

I have one the 17th... I'm afraid to go- when I get going sometimes there is no stoping me
I'll prob end up having inspections weekly for the rest of my days! ::

[Leanna]

Ok...we have one of those meetings coming up too. I am assuming a VOICE rep will be there, but I am going to call and invite one to come anyway. Any other suggestions? Maybe call the providers I know and encourage them to go with questions too.

[melskids]

I have one the 17th... I'm afraid to go- when I get going sometimes there is no stoping me
I'll prob end up having inspections weekly for the rest of my days! ::

I hear that.

I'm curious who your VOICE rep is. Would you mind telling me? If not, I totally understand. I'm just curious if we have the same one and if you find them helpful or not.

[Familycare71]

I hear that.

I'm curious who your VOICE rep is. Would you mind telling me? If not, I totally understand. I'm just curious if we have the same one and if you find them helpful or not.

I don't know :/.