New New York Regulations- What Are You All Doing ?

[Laurel]

I. Just. Want. To. Do. My. Job.

Please can I do it without feeling the need to call the ACLU???? Apparently not.

I am at a loss about how to protest these changes in a professional manner. If you say anything against the regs you are portrayed as someone who doesn't care about the health and safety of children.

You have to fight what you don't like as a group. Power in numbers. We did years ago in Florida. When I get on my regular computer I'll post a link for you. This tablet is a pain.

Some of your new regs are done here and are no biggie. Will explain later.

[Familycare71]

Yes!!! I was talking to my husband and said- so we both have the day off, kids are in school and we decided to have relations... They knock on the door- I am supposed to stop and answer it!?! Really!?!
NannyD- you know I have!!

I can't get any providers I speak to to DO anything!!! They complain and agree with my concerns but no one wants to act! I can't afford to fight on my own-
So I am stuck deciding if I want to quit doing what I love or **** it up

Also - I called VOICE and talked to a dc rep... He didn't understand/know about the regs stating that providers can't have personal screen time and the reg about inspecting when we aren't operating. He argued with me on both! So he looked up the regs and re read them. On the change of when they can inspect he told me "it was just a wording change". Once he compared the two regs (old and new) he saw what I was talking about! I also asked him: is OCFS job to protect the basic health and safety of children? He answered yes. I said so according to them it is a basic health and safety issue if they are watching non educational screen time? I said IF it is a basic health and sacred concern WHY aren't families held to the same standard!?! He stated he has never thought of it like that. (Thank you nanny!!)
The VOICE board will apparently be bringing up/ reviewing my concerns at their next meeting. We shall see if anything happens!!
Scary fact is the VOICE board sat down with OCFS and negotiated the new regs with them!!! Not sure that is the representation I was told I'd get!! Also they basically heard from OCFS: we will not over step (we are not a wolf we are a sheep!) and VOICE agreed to the fact that they CAN over step but trust they won't!! I am pretty sure the sheep (providers) are going to get eaten by the wolf and by the mere fact that we CHOOSE to remain registered and licensed we have AGREED to it!

[Leanna]

Yes!!! I was talking to my husband and said- so we both have the day off, kids are in school and we decided to have relations... They knock on the door- I am supposed to stop and answer it!?! Really!?!
NannyD- you know I have!!

I can't get any providers I speak to to DO anything!!! They complain and agree with my concerns but no one wants to act! I can't afford to fight on my own-
So I am stuck deciding if I want to quit doing what I love or **** it up

Also - I called VOICE and talked to a dc rep... He didn't understand/know about the regs stating that providers can't have personal screen time and the reg about inspecting when we aren't operating. He argued with me on both! So he looked up the regs and re read them. On the change of when they can inspect he told me "it was just a wording change". Once he compared the two regs (old and new) he saw what I was talking about! I also asked him: is OCFS job to protect the basic health and safety of children? He answered yes. I said so according to them it is a basic health and safety issue if they are watching non educational screen time? I said IF it is a basic health and sacred concern WHY aren't families held to the same standard!?! He stated he has never thought of it like that. (Thank you nanny!!)
The VOICE board will apparently be bringing up/ reviewing my concerns at their next meeting. We shall see if anything happens!!
Scary fact is the VOICE board sat down with OCFS and negotiated the new regs with them!!! Not sure that is the representation I was told I'd get!! Also they basically heard from OCFS: we will not over step (we are not a wolf we are a sheep!) and VOICE agreed to the fact that they CAN over step but trust they won't!! I am pretty sure the sheep (providers) are going to get eaten by the wolf and by the mere fact that we CHOOSE to remain registered and licensed we have AGREED to it!

PLEASE let me know what I can do!!!! (I can't even find a phone number for my VOICE rep.) I truly, truly love my job. I am willing to bend over backwards to protect the health and safety of the children I am entrusted to care for but I really feel like the state is trying to bend us too far (and not necessarily for health and safety!)

[daycarediva]

PLEASE let me know what I can do!!!! (I can't even find a phone number for my VOICE rep.) I truly, truly love my job. I am willing to bend over backwards to protect the health and safety of the children I am entrusted to care for but I really feel like the state is trying to bend us too far (and not necessarily for health and safety!)

I am in total agreement. I will sign any petitions, I will make phone calls. My voice WILL be heard (more so than it has already).


These regulations have NOTHING to do with the health and safety of the children. It's invasive, it's stressing out providers that are already in a high stress position, and is counter productive, since we now feel 'on guard' from the people who SHOULD be helping us do our job! (OCFS)

[emmajo]

I'm curious how many NYS providers commented on the regs during the public comment period before they were passed. I did, and then I read the summary report afterward, where OCFS listed all the comments and basically told why they were going to ignore each one. Minor changes in wording only. It didn't seem that there were all that many comments made during that time period when it was open for our input. I read the objections by VOICE too. (And now I can't find that summary report any more.)
I wonder if any changes could/would be made at this point now that they're set to go into effect in May.

[Familycare71]

This is the VOICE # 1 (877) 483-2732
When I called I told the receptionist that I need to speak to someone about fighting the new regulations.
Maybe if we all call they will do something!

Does anyone know how to start an online petition? It's worth a try

[Familycare71]

I'm curious how many NYS providers commented on the regs during the public comment period before they were passed. I did, and then I read the summary report afterward, where OCFS listed all the comments and basically told why they were going to ignore each one. Minor changes in wording only. It didn't seem that there were all that many comments made during that time period when it was open for our input. I read the objections by VOICE too. (And now I can't find that summary report any more.)
I wonder if any changes could/would be made at this point now that they're set to go into effect in May.

Yes- I did see the provider count and no changes but not the VOICE section.
I honestly do not know what the chances are.
NannyD basically said our best bet is to have someone vollentarily get violated on the regs we don't like and fight it through court.
Also to reach media outlets... BUT how do you say: I want my cell phone and to not be inspected and come off sounding good???

[daycarediva]

I'm curious how many NYS providers commented on the regs during the public comment period before they were passed. I did, and then I read the summary report afterward, where OCFS listed all the comments and basically told why they were going to ignore each one. Minor changes in wording only. It didn't seem that there were all that many comments made during that time period when it was open for our input. I read the objections by VOICE too. (And now I can't find that summary report any more.)
I wonder if any changes could/would be made at this point now that they're set to go into effect in May.

I responded with a resounding NO and so did a handful of other providers in my area, that I know of.

[Kcole1075]

Hubby and I were talking last night about moving to new york and I was considering opening a daycare there. Now I am kinda thinking no after reading this.

I hope you ladies fight this. :hug:

[Cat Herder]

That sounds nuts! the 4 inspections per year of your WHOLE house is crazy! I hope that doesn't come my way in MA

That is what I have had for years.

Where do you think my bad attitude comes from.... Wait until you get mandatory supply lists, mandatory curriculum Standards and QRIS.

Yes, I have had them open my bedroom closet door, go into my sheds, barn and trunk of my car before. :confused:

I assume it is because someone, somewhere, at some time, did something stupid. It is just the norm....

I used to feel violated, now I ask for decorating advice. I can't make enough money with only 2 kids. The State is covered in illegal daycare providers they can't afford to investigate now, but I would get busted in a nano-second because they already have my info.

[Naptime yet?]

Maybe start a petition here:

http://www.change.org

[Familycare71]

I responded with a resounding NO and so did a handful of other providers in my area, that I know of.

Me too!!!!

[Annalee]

That is what I have had for years.

Where do you think my bad attitude comes from....

Yes, I have had them open my bedroom closet door, go into my sheds, barn and trunk of my car before. :confused:

I assume it is because someone, somewhere, at some time, did something stupid. It is just the norm....

I used to feel violated, now I ask for decorating advice.

We have 6 unannounced plus 1 announced visit from licensing per year. They only check the areas children use inside and outside. We also have 2 visits from heath/environment, 1 visit from fire marshall and 4 visits from food program per year. The rules are becoming more stringent everywhere. It is a trend I am not sure can be stopped. I am not sure someone did something stupid somewhere....I think powers that be, for some reason, feel they need to dictate what/how/when/where/ child care, particularly family child care, operates. :confused:

[Cat Herder]

....I think powers that be, for some reason, feel they need to dictate what/how/when/where/ child care, particularly family child care, operates. :confused:

Maybe they were just "creating jobs" for inspectors??? ::

[Leanna]

That sounds nuts! the 4 inspections per year of your WHOLE house is crazy! I hope that doesn't come my way in MA

I say inspect me as much as you want - BUT be reasonable!!! Inspect all areas of my home that are used for daycare. Have high standards. Be by the book. I welcome and encourage it. HOWEVER, opening the drawer on a nightstand or opening a closet in a room that children have no access to is just plain ridiculous. Inspecting the trunk of a car? Come on!