What Do I Have To Do? (Vent)

[daycare]

I don't know how many times I have sent out copies of my illness/medication policy over the last 6 months. I have emailed it, I have printed it out, it is posted on our website.

This morning one parent comes in and says oh DCK had 4 injections and is on some new meds. Um ok, so then they need to go home. DCPoilcy states any form of medication that the child must be home for a full 24 hours before they can return,. THIS includes immunizations.

I have told the parents this a million zillion times. If you have to do immunizations try to do them later in the day on friday so that you won't have to have your child miss daycare.

I lost 2 families last month, 3 FT kids because parents could not follow my policies.

Other than tattooing them on their heads, what else can I do to get the message loud and clear???

Oh I also added to our sign in page a huge pic of a medicine bottle that says, have you given your child any medication today? If so, please talk to me....

Yes, I sent the kid home. DCM is very very mad.

I know I speak bad english sometimes, but it's not that bad that people cannot understand me.

I am sooooo frustrated right now.

I edited to mention that I do go over my entire illness policy at the time of enrollment, so there should really be no excuse....

[Cradle2crayons]

I don't know how many times I have sent out copies of my illness/medication policy over the last 6 months. I have emailed it, I have printed it out, it is posted on our website.

This morning one parent comes in and says oh DCK had 4 injections and is on some new meds. Um ok, so then they need to go home. DCPoilcy states any form of medication that the child must be home for a full 24 hours before they can return,. THIS includes immunizations.

I have told the parents this a million zillion times. If you have to do immunizations try to do them later in the day on friday so that you won't have to have your child miss daycare.

I lost 2 families last month, 3 FT kids because parents could not follow my policies.

Other than tattooing them on their heads, what else can I do to get the message loud and clear???

Oh I also added to our sign in page a huge pic of a medicine bottle that says, have you given your child any medication today? If so, please talk to me....

Yes, I sent the kid home. DCM is very very mad.

I know I speak bad english sometimes, but it's not that bad that people cannot understand me.

I am sooooo frustrated right now.

I edited to mention that I do go over my entire illness policy at the time of enrollment, so there should really be no excuse....

I'm sorry I have no advice for you

My parents are generally ok with the illness part but one of my two moms is a liar and even about stuff that isn't my business. Things I don't ask her about. She'll just start a conversation and the whole thing will be a lie. It's not pathological because she knows she's doing it and she knows it's wrong.

I wish I knew what to tell you. Terming isn't always an answer but it's always an OPTION.

[daycare]

ugh..............as someone said is it beer thirty yet???

it's been a crazy month and I am ready for the weekend.

I have one of those too. I don't know what to do with that one, but she makes me laugh with all of her nonsense....

[TwinKristi]

What is it about immunizations that prevents you from taking the children? I'm truly not trying to be snarky, just curious. Some children tolerate them just fine and I've never heard of a provider not taking kids after vaccines except maybe live ones that could potentially shed if they have other young babies who could potentially contract it, but there's only 2 of those.
If you have so many parents having problems with these maybe it's time to rethink it? I guess being in a position where I would LOVE to have more kids here after losing 2 to preschool and 1 to a mom staying home (none for being unhappy) in 3 months I just can't imagine having so many unhappy parents. I can understand medication for being sick, but it's almost like you're punishing them for something required. Not all drs do well-visits in the afternoon and some are closed altogether on Friday afternoons here.

[daycare]

What is it about immunizations that prevents you from taking the children? I'm truly not trying to be snarky, just curious. Some children tolerate them just fine and I've never heard of a provider not taking kids after vaccines except maybe live ones that could potentially shed if they have other young babies who could potentially contract it, but there's only 2 of those.
If you have so many parents having problems with these maybe it's time to rethink it? I guess being in a position where I would LOVE to have more kids here after losing 2 to preschool and 1 to a mom staying home (none for being unhappy) in 3 months I just can't imagine having so many unhappy parents. I can understand medication for being sick, but it's almost like you're punishing them for something required. Not all drs do well-visits in the afternoon and some are closed altogether on Friday afternoons here.

I ask that they have the immunizations and stay home because if the child has an allergic reaction most likely it will be within the first 24 hours.

I don't want to take on that kind of liability. I would prefer that they are in the care of their family so that they can help them should this occur. Especially those that are under 2. If that happens here, I have to file a report, undergo and investigation and file a claim with my insurance company.......so this is why I have that rule.

I REFUSE to change my illness policy. The ones last month that were broken are not forgivable. I was lied to about one childs illness and the other the family did not pick up their very sick child when I called them to pick up.

I know what you are saying, but my policies are exactly what the CDC states

[TwinKristi]

I ask that they have the immunizations and stay home because if the child has an allergic reaction most likely it will be within the first 24 hours.

I don't want to take on that kind of liability. I would prefer that they are in the care of their family so that they can help them should this occur. Especially those that are under 2. If that happens here, I have to file a report, undergo and investigation and file a claim with my insurance company.......so this is why I have that rule.

I REFUSE to change my illness policy. The ones last month that were broken are not forgivable. I was lied to about one childs illness and the other the family did not pick up their very sick child when I called them to pick up.

I know what you are saying, but my policies are exactly what the CDC states

Do you have a link to that info from the CDC? Some vaccine side effects can take anywhere from 15 mins up to 12 days to appear. And why would you have to file a claim with your insurance company if a child has a reaction to an immunization? I've never heard this before. If you aren't willing to alter your illness policy (which to me an immunization isn't an illness, it's part of wellness) than I would expect parents to continue being upset by this stuff. I understand your other 2, lying about illness isn't new to the daycare industry unfortunately. We all joke about their "allergies" all the time but your immunization policy is new to me.
Does anyone else have this policy?

[childcaremom]

I do. I just switched to no longer taking them for 24 hours after the immunization and as long as they are not showing any tenderness or other symptoms.

ETA: I would never have sent my kids to daycare immediately after a needle. None of my dcfs ever did, either. Until last month. And dcg was a supercrank the whole day. Never again.

[daycare]

Do you have a link to that info from the CDC? Some vaccine side effects can take anywhere from 15 mins up to 12 days to appear. And why would you have to file a claim with your insurance company if a child has a reaction to an immunization? I've never heard this before. If you aren't willing to alter your illness policy (which to me an immunization isn't an illness, it's part of wellness) than I would expect parents to continue being upset by this stuff. I understand your other 2, lying about illness isn't new to the daycare industry unfortunately. We all joke about their "allergies" all the time but your immunization policy is new to me.
Does anyone else have this policy?

well if they didn't like my policies, then they shouldnt have signed it......

I don't have the link to cdc but can find it....

[Cradle2crayons]

Do you have a link to that info from the CDC? Some vaccine side effects can take anywhere from 15 mins up to 12 days to appear. And why would you have to file a claim with your insurance company if a child has a reaction to an immunization? I've never heard this before. If you aren't willing to alter your illness policy (which to me an immunization isn't an illness, it's part of wellness) than I would expect parents to continue being upset by this stuff. I understand your other 2, lying about illness isn't new to the daycare industry unfortunately. We all joke about their "allergies" all the time but your immunization policy is new to me.
Does anyone else have this policy?

I allow mine to come after immunization saw long as they aren't running a temp more than 100.5 and they aren't so cranky and uncomfortable that they can't participate in their day here.

[JoseyJo]

I allow mine to come after immunization saw long as they aren't running a temp more than 100.5 and they aren't so cranky and uncomfortable that they can't participate in their day here.

Us too. I would prefer that they keep them home but where I live (very very blue collar) sending a child home or having them kept home for anything other than being truly very sick would make pretty much all parents look for alternate care.

[Maria2013]

well if they didn't like my policies, then they shouldnt have signed it......

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[TwinKristi]

I guess I've been on both sides of the fence here so it gives me a different perspective of what DC can be. I have had maybe 4-6 licensed providers over the years between my main provider, backups, alternates and such. As a provider myself now I try and keep those experiences in mind and avoid the bumps in the road I endured with our 2 main providers. I don't think the CDC recommends parents keep children home from school or childcare just to watch for problems or people would be scared/hesitant to even do it in the first place which is a big problem they're currently facing. The CDC minimizes the risks IMO. And really, something like less than 25% of kids even experience anything other than a fever and redness at the site. An illness policy covers you for fevers automatically, but I have to admit I would probably be upset too as a parent.
Do you charge them for the day/s they miss due to vaccines even if child is otherwise asymptomatic?

[daycare]

I guess I've been on both sides of the fence here so it gives me a different perspective of what DC can be. I have had maybe 4-6 licensed providers over the years between my main provider, backups, alternates and such. As a provider myself now I try and keep those experiences in mind and avoid the bumps in the road I endured with our 2 main providers. I don't think the CDC recommends parents keep children home from school or childcare just to watch for problems or people would be scared/hesitant to even do it in the first place which is a big problem they're currently facing. The CDC minimizes the risks IMO. And really, something like less than 25% of kids even experience anything other than a fever and redness at the site. An illness policy covers you for fevers automatically, but I have to admit I would probably be upset too as a parent.
Do you charge them for the day/s they miss due to vaccines even if child is otherwise asymptomatic?

the cdc only recommends exclusion after vaccines.

I teach preschool daily through a certified program. I try to avoid anything that can become issues that would disrupt our day and take away from our lessons and routines. Like I said before parents are made aware of this at the time of their enrollment. They have the choice NOT to have me provide care for their family.

BUT if they want my services, just like any other provider I EXPECT them to follow ALL of my rules and polices. I am a very flexible person, some things I don't bend on and illness/medications are one of them.

While your theory of 25% may be correct, I don't want to take .01 % of a chance that something could happen due to this form of stuff while on my time. BTDT

I tell parents that children will get hurt, but I will do everything in my power that they don't get hurt on my time. I will also do everything that I can to be PROACTIVE and Preventive with all medical issues when possible.



As for my insurance...... ANYTHING that requires a child to leave my home to seek medical treatment must be submitted to not only the state, but my insurance as well.

YES, they have to pay for days if they attend or not... that is why I recommend that they schedule their appointments on Fridays. To my knowledge in this HUGE city we live right next to, there a million places that are open and offer most vaccines even on weekend.

[NeedaVaca]

The parents have absolutely no right to be upset if this is in her policies that they signed. I have seen many threads about this and a lot of providers do not allow them to return for 24hrs. It's not uncommon.

[TwinKristi]

The parents have absolutely no right to be upset if this is in her policies that they signed. I have seen many threads about this and a lot of providers do not allow them to return for 24hrs. It's not uncommon.

I didn't say the parents have a right or didn't, I said ****I**** as a parent myself would probably be upset BUT I also wouldn't choose her as a provider with those types of exclusions. From my experience parents rarely actually read through long complicated handbooks and contracts. I know most of mine didn't but still signed that they did and understand so I'm covered. I just find it excessive personally. Obviously multiple families are having issues and she's lost a few kids already and is on to another. I'm glad she's able to be as exclusive as she is, I don't have that luxury. Being easy-going and professional at the same time can be a struggle.