Providers Who Use Prescription Drugs

[Cradle2crayons]

Ok So I have to tell you guys this..(funny that this thread came up at this time)

Last week I had to have a surgery. After my surgery, I was put on bed rest and very heavy narcotics. I like to consider myself a naturalist when it comes to meds and foods. I try my hardest to only put things in my body that are natural, so this is huge for me

Lucky for me, I have wonderful help keeping my daycare open and running for me, but it's hard being here not being able to do anything and my boredom factor is out of control. Anyways let me get back to what I was saying.

While on the meds, I am USELESS. I hate the way that I feel. I can hardly walk, I vomit quite a bit, I am confused, I have delayed reactions and all I want to do is sleep. I even have hallucinated a few times. As time has passed, I am able to control myself better, but I have reduced the amount I am taking and am starting to be in control of the meds. I could see how someone would think that they are ok to go on with their day and think that they are ok to carry on.

I just could never in a million years imagine being on something that alters and impairs my abilities and care for children at the same time. But I am sure that there are people who would try and that is a very scary thought.

On the issue of telling the parents or not, well, I think that if you are a person of good morals you would.

I think the point that some aren't understanding. People that are on long term narcotics do NOT HAVE THISE SAME TYPES OF SIDE FFECTS as those who are only taking them on a limited short term plan.

Nurses all over the world take chronic pain medications and you would never know unless they told you.

I'm not talking about people who ABUSE narcotics. I'm talking about those on chronic pain medication.

Really it's no different than a diabetic on chronic medications or an asthmatic on chronic meds or any other condition. At first they may have a few side effects but after getting acclimated, they generally don't have side effects.

Those of you who are saying those who take long term narcotics are IMPAIRED even if they are taking them correctly and are monitored are extremely MISINFORMED on this entire topic.

[Hunni Bee]

OK I have to admit... I started the sister wives thread partly as a joke.. I think this board needs to lighten up !
I am sorry about this... I was not trying to stir up trouble

and I am not a sister wife... by the way!
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Really?

[Cradle2crayons]

OK I have to admit... I started the sister wives thread partly as a joke.. I think this board needs to lighten up !
I am sorry about this... I was not trying to stir up trouble

and I am not a sister wife... by the way!
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as far as meds go... I think I would have to agree with bc but if I ever had to take meds myself... I would not be doing this job... it is too important and little kids lives are at stake.
Can you imagine falling asleep or being so out of it that you can't keep track of them outside? yikes!
(this is just what I would do... not what others should do)

Michelle, thanks for that post.

Im the OP of the post about prescription drugs. The post wasn't about me. It's the story of an awesome friend of mine who does keep a few of her nieces but wants to open a home daycare. She lives about an hour from me. So I told her I'd post and see what other providers thought.

Honestly I was HORRIFIED at some of the responses I saw on this thread.

I think the very FIRST THING people saw on this thread title was DRUGS. By the time they were done reading that word, e rest of the information was ignored.

First of all, she has chronic abdominal pain from a surgery she had botched years ago. She then was in a car wreck and had to have a vertebra fixed. She's able to walk, can be diver and lift kids and honestly is in better shape physically than some admissions ice seen on this board.

She started seeing a pain doctor years ago to help her get her life back so she could raise her own kids as well and live as normal of a life as possible.

The pain doctor provided her that life. She goes every other month and has blood work done to be sure her levels are not too high or low. He counts her pills every other month. She's entered into a database that makes sure his patients don't get any other meds filled at any other pharmacy for all of his patients. She also pees in a cup every other month. After about a year of regulating her on her oral pain meds he placed her on the 3 day patch and was able to lower her pill usage down to two a day. The first few months she had side effects on the new meds but after six months of regulation, he signed a form saying she was saving to use machinery, Run a daycare and anything else she wanted to do. WITH NO RESTRICTIONS WHATSOEVER.

Those of you who think you know more than this doctor, maybe you are in the wrong profession.

But here's another admission. I've been seeing a pain management doctor for five years. I also use the three day patch and meds for breakthrough.

If I was as impaired as you guys assume all us PAIN PATIENTS ARE... I'll bet not a single one of you EVER in your wildest dreams would have guessed it. In person or on here. Unless I told you.

My parents don't have a right to know. Because I'm not impaired. And you know what else?? I take EXCELLENT care of my own kids and my daycare kids.

Ad you know what else?? I get sick and tired of people assuming that someone with a medical problem can't take care of kids.

And I do it by myself. 20 hours a day some days.

While I'm at it, why not tell you I have to use oxygen at night due to being on long term life support when I was 21. I had a 1% chance of survival. I also have kidney disease and a few other things. And from what I've learned... I can still run circles around most people I know..

So... There's my two cents

[Michelle]

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Really?

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yea I was really hoping to hear some funny jokes to lighten the board.
I think that people have posted sillier things than this, soooo please don't be mad..:hug::hug::hug:

I use to watch that show on HBO... Big Love
I never took it seriously, it was just a good Drama that I watched sometimes when I was bored. That's were I got the idea..

Anyways I really admire C2C honesty and I would leave my dd with her!

[Blackcat31]

OK I have to admit... I started the sister wives thread partly as a joke.. I think this board needs to lighten up !

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yea I was really hoping to hear some funny jokes to lighten the board.
I think that people have posted sillier things than this,

So you made up a post about a specific way of life; a way of life some people deeply believe in so that you could hear some funny jokes???

[Willow]

Cradle2crayons - just because people disagree with you, doesn't mean they're wrong.

You can deny the statistics revolving around the abuse of prescription drug use all you want, that opinion doesn't negate the facts.


Are there some people that can function fine on potent and high dose prescription drug therapies? Of course. But the vast majority CAN'T. That is plain as day, we are smack dab in the middle of an epidemic as far as how bad it is.

You cannot blame a patent who considers the statistics and chooses a more conservative route. If you're not one that has had a problem with them then why would you lump yourself into the group that can or does and get all butt hurt about parents fearing the very real potential of drug abuse and addiction around their children? If that is not who or how you are why can you not separate yourself and acknowledge that not everyone is like you? Not everyone can handle them like you do?

Parents are not addiction specialists. There is Jo clear cut way to know short of a well times blood test and parents don't have access or rights to that.

So what is their solution??

Do you really expect millions of parents out there to just blindly trust a stranger because they SAY they're being responsible?

[bunnyslippers]

Michelle, thanks for that post.

Im the OP of the post about prescription drugs. The post wasn't about me. It's the story of an awesome friend of mine who does keep a few of her nieces but wants to open a home daycare. She lives about an hour from me. So I told her I'd post and see what other providers thought.

Honestly I was HORRIFIED at some of the responses I saw on this thread.

I think the very FIRST THING people saw on this thread title was DRUGS. By the time they were done reading that word, e rest of the information was ignored.

First of all, she has chronic abdominal pain from a surgery she had botched years ago. She then was in a car wreck and had to have a vertebra fixed. She's able to walk, can be diver and lift kids and honestly is in better shape physically than some admissions ice seen on this board.

She started seeing a pain doctor years ago to help her get her life back so she could raise her own kids as well and live as normal of a life as possible.

The pain doctor provided her that life. She goes every other month and has blood work done to be sure her levels are not too high or low. He counts her pills every other month. She's entered into a database that makes sure his patients don't get any other meds filled at any other pharmacy for all of his patients. She also pees in a cup every other month. After about a year of regulating her on her oral pain meds he placed her on the 3 day patch and was able to lower her pill usage down to two a day. The first few months she had side effects on the new meds but after six months of regulation, he signed a form saying she was saving to use machinery, Run a daycare and anything else she wanted to do. WITH NO RESTRICTIONS WHATSOEVER.

Those of you who think you know more than this doctor, maybe you are in the wrong profession.

But here's another admission. I've been seeing a pain management doctor for five years. I also use the three day patch and meds for breakthrough.

If I was as impaired as you guys assume all us PAIN PATIENTS ARE... I'll bet not a single one of you EVER in your wildest dreams would have guessed it. In person or on here. Unless I told you.

My parents don't have a right to know. Because I'm not impaired. And you know what else?? I take EXCELLENT care of my own kids and my daycare kids.

Ad you know what else?? I get sick and tired of people assuming that someone with a medical problem can't take care of kids.

And I do it by myself. 20 hours a day some days.

While I'm at it, why not tell you I have to use oxygen at night due to being on long term life support when I was 21. I had a 1% chance of survival. I also have kidney disease and a few other things. And from what I've learned... I can still run circles around most people I know..

So... There's my two cents

[Cradle2crayons]

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yea I was really hoping to hear some funny jokes to lighten the board.
I think that people have posted sillier things than this, soooo please don't be mad..:hug::hug::hug:

I use to watch that show on HBO... Big Love
I never took it seriously, it was just a good Drama that I watched sometimes when I was bored. That's were I got the idea..

Anyways I really admire C2C honesty and I would leave my dd with her!

Thank you Michelle... :hug:

[Cradle2crayons]

Cradle2crayons - just because people disagree with you, doesn't mean they're wrong.

You can deny the statistics revolving around the abuse of prescription drug use all you want, that opinion doesn't negate the facts.


Are there some people that can function fine on potent and high dose prescription drug therapies? Of course. But the vast majority CAN'T. That is plain as day, we are smack dab in the middle of an epidemic as far as how bad it is.

You cannot blame a patent who considers the statistics and chooses a more conservative route. If you're not one that has had a problem with them then why would you lump yourself into the group that can or does and get all butt hurt about parents fearing the very real potential of drug abuse and addiction around their children? If that is not who or how you are why can you not separate yourself and acknowledge that not everyone is like you? Not everyone can handle them like you do?

Parents are not addiction specialists. There is Jo clear cut way to know short of a well times blood test and parents don't have access or rights to that.

So what is their solution??

Do you really expect millions of parents out there to just blindly trust a stranger because they SAY they're being responsible?

Nope, that's why I don't disclose and don't have a plan to. Morally and ethically they have no right to know.

They only have a right to know something that may potentially reflect care given. And my issues... Do not.

However, say I fall and break my leg.... That may effect care given and that's a different concept.

Chronic pain and monitored medication use doesn't equate to abuse of narcotics

[rmc20021]

Cradle2crayons - just because people disagree with you, doesn't mean they're wrong.

You can deny the statistics revolving around the abuse of prescription drug use all you want, that opinion doesn't negate the facts.


Are there some people that can function fine on potent and high dose prescription drug therapies? Of course. But the vast majority CAN'T. That is plain as day, we are smack dab in the middle of an epidemic as far as how bad it is.

You cannot blame a patent who considers the statistics and chooses a more conservative route. If you're not one that has had a problem with them then why would you lump yourself into the group that can or does and get all butt hurt about parents fearing the very real potential of drug abuse and addiction around their children? If that is not who or how you are why can you not separate yourself and acknowledge that not everyone is like you? Not everyone can handle them like you do?

Parents are not addiction specialists. There is Jo clear cut way to know short of a well times blood test and parents don't have access or rights to that.

So what is their solution??

Do you really expect millions of parents out there to just blindly trust a stranger because they SAY they're being responsible?

Very well said, and I totally agree. 10 years ago, most people probably wouldn't have given it a second thought about a provider being under the care of a doctor for chronic pain and using prescription pain meds. Today, there is a whole new society out there. Because of that, parents DO need to be more cautious of providers who use prescription pain meds.

As I stated before, people who HAVE become addicted/dependent on narcotics have discovered many ways of altering drug screens...so that means nothing to me that someone has to pee in a cup every month.

The same goes for the doctor's having patients in a database to monitor if they are getting narcotics from another doctor. They are EASILY available on the street and most people who misuse these drugs know where to find them.

As for blood test to monitor the levels...that can be beat as well by timing the last dose before they go for a drug screen, which can easily be done when they know in advance when a drug test will be done.

NOW...with all that being said. I also agree that not everyone who uses narcotics are addicted to them. If they use them for long term though, they ARE dependent on them and if they were to suddenly stop, they would go into withdrawals the same as someone who is addicted...maybe not as bad, but all the same withdrawals.

Is someone who is using narcotics under the influence...YES they are, whether they are using them as prescribed or otherwise, and it may just be a matter of to what degree, but they are STILL under the influence. The same as if someone takes one drink or 10...they are still under the influence no matter how well they may be able to handle themselves.

I believe (and this is strictly my own personal opinion) that most people who use narcotics do continue to have the side effects after extended use, it's just that they have become used to it and it's a normal feeling for them.

And I am NOT saying someone who uses pain meds as prescribed cannot provide quality care for a child...but personally I would rather have someone who is not using them care for my child than someone who is using them. JUST TO MAKE MYSELF FEEL CONFIDENT THAT NOTHING GOES WRONG.

[MyAngels]

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yea I was really hoping to hear some funny jokes to lighten the board.

So why wouldn't you just have started a "let's lighten up and hear some good jokes" thread instead of picking a potentially controversial subject that isn't especially funny and posting as unregistered?

This is exactly the reason that so many members here won't even respond to unregistered posters. What happens when someone posts as unregistered and actually needs some help? They most likely won't get the varying viewpoints and discussion they might have if there weren't so many trolls, let alone our own members, trying to stir things up.

[Willow]

Nope, that's why I don't disclose and don't have a plan to. Morally and ethically they have no right to know.

In your OPINION.

There are legalities, and then there are ethics. I realize what the legalities are but that's not what we're discussing here.

Ethics ARE debatable. Many providers believe the ethical thing would be to disclose and many parents feel they do have a right to know

You cannot dictate your personal code of ethics to the masses. That is not the way ethics work.

They only have a right to know something that may potentially reflect care given. And my issues... Do not.

No one was talking about you though, so I'm not sure why you keep interjecting yourself here as if everyone is?


Add to that, your individual situation has no bearing on how the situation should be handled with other providers or with other parents. When sorting out what is best you cannot ONLY consider your individual circumstances.

Not everyone is you.

Not everyone is going to be able to handle things the way you have.

Bottom line is - where does that leave parents and how does that protection/privacy help keep kids safe from providers who have fallen victim to the prescription drug epidemic?

[Willow]

So why wouldn't you just have started a "let's lighten up and hear some good jokes" thread instead of picking a potentially controversial subject that isn't especially funny and posting as unregistered?

This is exactly the reason that so many members here won't even respond to unregistered posters. What happens when someone posts as unregistered and actually needs some help? They most likely won't get the varying viewpoints and discussion they might have if there weren't so many trolls, let alone our own members, trying to stir things up.

Agree.

How absolutely ridiculous.......

[Cradle2crayons]

Very well said, and I totally agree. 10 years ago, most people probably wouldn't have given it a second thought about a provider being under the care of a doctor for chronic pain and using prescription pain meds. Today, there is a whole new society out there. Because of that, parents DO need to be more cautious of providers who use prescription pain meds.
parents should be cautious of all providers regardless.
As I stated before, people who HAVE become addicted/dependent on narcotics have discovered many ways of altering drug screens...so that means nothing to me that someone has to pee in a cup every month.

I can assure you it's not simply a pee in a cup thing. It's much more detailed than that. And theses tests know if there is an altering method used. This doctor doesn't use standard on any screens.

The same goes for the doctor's having patients in a database to monitor if they are getting narcotics from another doctor. They are EASILY available on the street and most people who misuse these drugs know where to find them.

As for blood test to monitor the levels...that can be beat as well by timing the last dose before they go for a drug screen, which can easily be done when they know in advance when a drug test will be done.

[COLOR="rgb(255, 0, 255)"][/COLOR]The blood tests my doc does is a panel that costs about a grand a pop. Is a new test that can tell exactly how many I've taken and what times over a certain period of time.not to mention I don't always know when which panels are being done.

NOW...with all that being said. I also agree that not everyone who uses narcotics are addicted to them. If they use them for long term though, they ARE dependent on them and if they were to suddenly stop, they would go into withdrawals the same as someone who is addicted...maybe not as bad, but all the same withdrawals.

[COLOR="rgb(255, 0, 255)"][/COLOR]Actually that's not true for everyone. I've ran out before when his office was closed on vacation and I had to make an appointment for two weeks after my regular appointment. I was out for about a week. Never had the first withdrawal symptom.

Is someone who is using narcotics under the influence...YES they are, whether they are using them as prescribed or otherwise, and it may just be a matter of to what degree, but they are STILL under the influence. The same as if someone takes one drink or 10...they are still under the influence no matter how well they may be able to handle themselves.

[COLOR="rgb(255, 0, 255)"][/COLOR]That means for all those on here who kick back and drink a few beers after daycare kids leave still have some alcohol in their system.. At least possibly

I believe (and this is strictly my own personal opinion) that most people who use narcotics do continue to have the side effects after extended use, it's just that they have become used to it and it's a normal feeling for them.

[COLOR="rgb(255, 0, 255)"][/COLOR]Some people just don't have side effects. You can't lump us all into one category.

And I am NOT saying someone who uses pain meds as prescribed cannot provide quality care for a child...but personally I would rather have someone who is not using them care for my child than someone who is using them. JUST TO MAKE MYSELF FEEL CONFIDENT THAT NOTHING GOES WRONG

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Something can go wrong whether someone is a chronic pain patient or not

There's my two and three cents worth flame me or not.

[Willow]

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Something can go wrong whether someone is a chronic pain patient or not

There's my two and three cents worth flame me or not.

No one is flaming you, please reign in the dramatics a bit.....



Have your opinions, but expect others will too.

Just because people disagree with your position that this is a valid concern doesn't mean you're being any kind of attacked.