The "Don't Use This Daycare" Thread Made Me Wonder

[momofboys]

I got this from a blog about e-cigarettes - interesting :

In the absence of documented test leads to prove e-cigarettes' safety , some experts also point out the propylene glycol, one of many components from the e-liquid that may be potentially harmful. Others are interested in the uncertainty across the actual ingredients from the liquid and raise alarms over the fact that the unregulated e-cigarettes remain mainly stated in China where these were invented in 2003. No protocols and standards exist by yet to be sure the safety of the product. No requirements have been specified to enforce minimum quality standards. Finally, the continued presence of nicotine '" that is an optional ingredient, but is desirable to most users '" also questions the extent of harm reduction. Nicotine is really a proven carcinogenic. Its consumption in different quantity is often a significant health hazard. Moreover, it's highly addicting, with a few studies comparing it to heroin in this connection. Electronic cigarettes contain nicotine in unverified and untested amounts. There were alarming, unconfirmed stories about supposedly nicotine-free e-cigarettes that basically contained the substance

[Patches]

I answered that I do not smoke and I would leave my child with asmoker as long as they did NOT smoke around the kids or in the house.

P.S.
I used to smoke and quit as soon as I got pregnant with my oldest

[Willow]

I'd rather leave my child in the care of someone who smokes than with someone who drinks.....

I smoke on occasion. Never before or during daycare hours, usually after my kids are in bed and certainly not around them or in my house.

Of course I'd leave my children in the care of someone who smoked if it had absolutely nothing to do with the time they spent with together.

[NeedaVaca]

If they aren't smoking during daycare hours I don't think it's any of my business what they do after hours or on weekends.

[Starburst]

I don't smoke and If I had kids I wouldn't want them to be watched by someone who smoked mostly because of 3rd hand (the smell it leaves lingering on hair, skin, and clothes long after) and the fact that they would have to leave my child unsupervised to smoke (and if they don't they would be smoking in front of them). So I guess most of my family wont be in charge of babysitting because they all smoke - I think my Nonna and Aunt quit (again); but 2/3 of my cousins, my brother, my dad and his wife (but those two are out of state) all smoke. I hate being around smoke because I have asthma but I actually used to like the smell of it coming off the cigarette (my aunt would light it on the stove in the house and walk it to the front of the house- that alone was addicting). I hate that my 2 cousin's smoke because one has a 4 year old son and every time they go outside to smoke he will try to go outside and he will say "I smoke too?" (he was about 2 1/2 and 3 when that started) and they will sit there and tell him "No baby, smoking is bad for you" but yet would go in the back yard where there is a sliding glass door where he can see them smoking and he would start crying because he wanted his mommy's attention :confused:. If kids see you smoking they will try to imitate it; when we were kids we would pretend to smoke with crayons, my brother stole cigarettes from my aunt and our old roommates, and my little cousin now tries to take cigarettes out of his mom and auntie's purses because he wants to smoke like them.

We had roommates who smoked in one house we used to have and I was still in HS so I would go to school everyday and everything would smell like smoke and I would open up my backpack and a breeze that smelled like smoke would come out (and everything inside it smelled like smoke too)! I had teachers who would ask me if I smoked because I could never get the smell out of my hair (I have really thick and coarse hair). If I was out of the house for a few hours and came back a big whiff of smoke would hit the minute you opened the door and make me instantly sick. The whole house reeked and all the bare parts of the white walls were stained (probably what all our lungs looked like too)! I used to have dreams that I smoked but never did in real life. One of them was the daughter of the daycare provider I used to work for and her mom hated that she smoked at first but eventually started smoking with her (they would smoke in the back yard during nap time because they couldn't wait 12 hours for a cigarette).

My Bf doesn't smoke but I just found out he chews tobacco (I'm not really a fan of that either). But we both agreed that when we get married and I start my business no one will be allowed to smoke on our property at any time (in my current city its a law that all daycare properties need to be smoke free 24 hours though I do take a class with provider here that smokes). I am also putting in my contract that smoking on daycare property (including the yard and drive way) would be grounds for termination. And that I do not allow kids to attend for the day if they smell like smoke (or are heavily perfumed for that matter) because of allergies and the health risks of 3rd hand smoke (not to mention I couldn't stand that rotting stale smoke smell for 8+ hours a day).

[EntropyControlSpecialist]

I don't smoke and I do not allow my child (soon to be children) to be in the care of anyone who DOES smoke. Second hand and third hand smoke is very serious so I also don't allow him to visit peoples homes if I know they smoke in them.

The baby will not be held by one of her Aunts unless she changes clothes prior to holding her due to her smoking.

[EntropyControlSpecialist]

I hate smoke. I'm asthmatic and would never leave my children with a smoker. I don't care if they don't smoke in the childcare area; it gets in their clothes, their hair, their skin.. I think it's absolutely gross. Also, for those that smoke in their cars I don't want an emergency to happen where they may need to be transported in a cancer-stick-riddled vehicle. I know I'm over the top with this but the short answer is NO!

I feel the exact same way.

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I logged out so I don't get flamed.

I AM a smoker, I do smoke during daycare hours (outside of course) but it is only if my husband is watching them or if they are napping. I do have family members that smoke, but I wouldn't take my babies there unless they would smoke outside. Now that my kids are much older, I request Grandma smoke outside or in her bedroom away from the kids. They don't go over often because of the smoke.

That being said, I wouldn't pay a day care provider who smokes to watch my kids. UNLESS I knew her before hand or she was upfront and explained how her smoking schedule went.

I know double standard.

[Willow]

Curious for those who say they would never let someone who ever smoked watch their child....do you also travel by cart and buggy, grow all your own food and live out in the county?

Because vehicle emissions, pesticides, food processing and air pollution is just as bad for you child if not more so than them encountering someone who had a cigarette last Saturday and has showered three times since......kwim?

I get we all have to pick our battles but common sense should rule right?

[Willow]

I hate smoke. I'm asthmatic and would never leave my children with a smoker. I don't care if they don't smoke in the childcare area; it gets in their clothes, their hair, their skin.. I think it's absolutely gross. Also, for those that smoke in their cars I don't want an emergency to happen where they may need to be transported in a cancer-stick-riddled vehicle. I know I'm over the top with this but the short answer is NO!

You don't think your vehicle IS cancer causing in and of itself?

http://www.empowher.com/cancer/content/auto-exhaust-linked-childhood-cancers-new-study-finds

[MsLaura529]

I voted that I don't smoke and I wouldn't send my child to a smoker because, well honestly, I can't stand the smell. I'm not asthmatic or anything, it just makes me nauseas and do not want to have to be smelling that everytime I go into the house.

I'm shocked to hear that some smoke during child care hours ... only because here it is illegal to do so.

[momofboys]

Curious for those who say they would never let someone who ever smoked watch their child....do you also travel by cart and buggy, grow all your own food and live out in the county?

Because vehicle emissions, pesticides, food processing and air pollution is just as bad for you child if not more so than them encountering someone who had a cigarette last Saturday and has showered three times since......kwim?

I get we all have to pick our battles but common sense should rule right?

Well I agree we need to pick our battles but honestly I don't know many people who even smoke at all - I have a large family (there were 6 of us kids & all of us are married with kids & kids of kids, when we get together at my sister's home there is easily 35-40 of us) & out of all of us only 1-2 smoke (& never in my sister's home). The difference IMO with smoking is it is something you choose to do & you can also choose to avoid it, I do buy mostly organic fruits/vegies -I can avoid processed foods, common sense to me says avoid smoke at all costs - it stinks, proven to cause cancer & one of my kids is asthmatic so yes common sense says don't go near it! I can't avoid being in cars on a daily basis but I can avoid smoke & second-hand smoke.

[Lyss]

I guess I'm against the grain on this one too. I don't smoke and I would consider someone that did as a provider (although DD has never been watched by anyone but family), as long as the house/provider doesn't smell like it and is responsible. I personally find chew way more disgusting! My brother does it and its nasty (IMO!), I'd much rather see cigarette butts in an ashtray than dirty a spit bottle!

Its not impossible to have a clean home and smoke. I've had friends that smoke like chimneys but their house, clothes, and children were always clean and free from the smell. I don't think smoking effects their ability to effectively provide a clean environment.

As a kid when I lived with my Dad and stepmom there were 4 adults that lived in our home and all smoked at least a pack a day, inside Our house reeked! I remember kids making fun of me because my clothes stunk like cigarette smoke. That kind of situation, a stinky house or person and/or someone smoking in plain view of my child, I obviously I would have an issue with but that is not all smokers.

[Willow]

I guess I'm against the grain on this one too. I don't smoke and I would consider someone that did as a provider (although DD has never been watched by anyone but family), as long as the house/provider doesn't smell like it and is responsible. I personally find chew way more disgusting! My brother does it and its nasty (IMO!), I'd much rather see cigarette butts in an ashtray than dirty a spit bottle!

Its not impossible to have a clean home and smoke. I've had friends that smoke like chimneys but their house, clothes, and children were always clean and free from the smell. I don't think smoking effects their ability to effectively provide a clean environment.

As a kid when I lived with my Dad and stepmom there were 4 adults that lived in our home and all smoked at least a pack a day, inside Our house reeked! I remember kids making fun of me because my clothes stunk like cigarette smoke. That kind of situation, a stinky house or person and/or someone smoking in plain view of my child, I obviously I would have an issue with but that is not all smokers.

This is pretty much where I'm at too.

My parents didn't smoke and neither did most of my extended family. The ones that did I was shocked to learn about as I got older because there is no way anyone ever would have known if they wouldn't have shared or had the odd one outside during a family function.

[MyNana23]

I voted that I wouldn't leave my child with a caregiver who smokes ...I don't smoke and never have and I am aware that there are other emissions, poisons, air pollutants, etc.that are just as bad BUT the reason I wouldn't is because I cannot stand the smell! I can't see how the smell would never get on your child or his/her clothing? I realize that most smokers go outside which in itself would make me a bit nervous to have the children left alone for however long it takes to smoke a cigarette.

My dad smoked for many years and it certainly robbed him of a lot of what could have been better health years...he had a chronic cough, he reeked of smoke 24/7 and he had to have a gross looking growth removed (twice) from his bottom lip that was caused by the cigarettes.

I had a former dcb here whose parents both smoked A LOT but she was insistent on bringing his crib bedding since she washed it in special baby soap...the first day she brought them, I had to wash them because the smoke smell permeated the whole house! My dh and I couldn't stand the smell let alone attempt to sleep on the same floor as the cribs were located...made me gag..I don't know for sure if the heavy smoking attributed to his early death, but that dad passed away very suddenly at age 45 from a heart attack and left his wife and 14 year old son alone..

A year and a half ago, another former dcd passed away very suddenly from a heart attack...he was only 42 years old and a very heavy smoker...he left behind 2 year old twins, a 6 year old and a 10 year old...pretty sad...

I don't care what people do to themselves but if I had the choice, I would certainly shy away from being in a smoking household or leaving my child (or even a pet) in one...