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  • Starburst
    Provider in Training
    • Jan 2013
    • 1522

    #16
    I honestly wouldn't really waste time worrying about what the mom said about the little one biting the older one back (she may have not really seen it and assumed it happened- some parents do that). Even if it was intentional, who knows why people lie about random things intentionally (attention?).

    Though I would be concerned that maybe she isn't really paying as close attention to DCB (or his brother for that matter) as she should. I understand that sometimes little boys need to get their energy out and for the record I have no problem with little boys rough housing a little bit as long as:
    A) they are both around the same size/ age and at least over the age of 4
    B) they don't use any bad/mean words or phrases such as "I hate you" or "I'll kill you"- to me at that point its no longer just playing around, its just hostile aggression.
    C) they understand that they cannot bite, scratch, hit each other or poke each other in the eye {my idea of rough housing is more like wrestling-anything more than that I would NEVER allow}

    I would be most concerned about a 3 year old (who should know better) biting a younger child who may not have teeth (IDK since you didn't mention an age of younger bro) and saying that "I just couldn't stop biting him". It could be a sign that it could be some type of impulsive behavior disorder like OCD, addiction, ADHD, or Pica; an unusual craving for non-food items (in this case for skin or blood; depending on how deeply he bites and if it draws blood). Some children with autism have also been reported chewing on their own skin (some actually have chewed off their lips and cheeks). It could also be pressure on his teeth and gums (that can be caused by a cavity, tooth ache, or an abscess) is relieved from chewing or biting. It could also be like you said he is just not disciplined enough at home, so he realizes he gets more attention when he bites his little brother or to test limits-this could be especially true if he is only biting at home and not at daycare.

    ETA: Wow, really DCD? If Big bro did bite lil bro and broke skin it could cause a serious infection! Do you know how much bacteria is in a 3 year olds mouth!

    I would just tell them "You need to get this taken care of or I will legally have to report you for neglect and child endangerment!" or I would just call the next time a see a bit on lil bro- you are a mandated reporter and any suspicion of abuse or neglect needs to be reported. They may know it was you that called and they may leave but I would rather have that happen than sit by and watch as one child is putting another child in danger- especially if it's because the parents are are afraid of a 3 year old!
    Last edited by Starburst; 04-09-2013, 10:30 AM. Reason: Just read the convo with dad

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    • My3cents
      Daycare.com Member
      • Jan 2012
      • 3387

      #17
      Originally posted by CedarCreek
      That last comment would have sent me over the edge!

      Seems like dcd is not taking this seriously!
      I read it to be that the Dad is talking baby talk and threatening the child with empty threats. If you bite again we will have to get you shots... I think he took it serious but has a nonchalant way of handling things, like boys will be boys, kids will be kids... The Dad seems like an explainer.....explains everything to the child to put the decision making in the child's hands, no matter if the child is capable of making those decisions at his age. Talk it out type of parent.

      At this point and remark..... I would have stepped in with.......if this keeps happening I will have to end care....after I explained again what the boy told me. I would be the bridge to stop the problem- I would end the Dad's and Mom's excuses with my way of fixing the problem on my end of things. I would offer suggestions to help these parents too.....like don't leave the two of them alone at any time, etc.... all the ones mentioned previously too-


      If it kept up I would term, I would have to term. I couldn't have a child biting other kids.

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      • Play Care
        Daycare.com Member
        • Dec 2012
        • 6642

        #18
        Oh my goodness. The rabies remark would have sent me over the edge.

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        • youretooloud
          Advanced Daycare.com Member
          • Mar 2011
          • 1955

          #19
          Baby Brother is 15 months and has about 12-ish teeth.

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          • daycarediva
            Daycare.com Member
            • Jul 2012
            • 11698

            #20
            I'm also assuming big brother has no bite marks?


            So at home, this boy is allowed, alone, repeatedly, with a one year old, when he has previously bitten him to the point that there are marks in varying degrees of healing?

            I'm saying it again, ABUSE (well, neglect). The parents are KNOWINGLY leaving a child in a dangerous situation where he is likely to be injured. Yes, the kid is 3, but a 3 year old can REALLY hurt a 1 year old. We all pretty much work with mixed age groups so we really understand this concern.

            I would tell dcm that if this happens again, I will require a note from the pediatrician for younger dcb. If it happens again, I would also report it. I would also use the word ABUSE.

            Take photos, print and date them and keep them on file, I would also write up a severe injury report if your state has one (here it is called incident report for child day care) and is used for reporting severe illnesses, accidents, injuries and signs of abuse that happened at daycare or at home, and send it in with the photos enclosed.

            Rabies shots? WTF!?

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            • youretooloud
              Advanced Daycare.com Member
              • Mar 2011
              • 1955

              #21
              Here's where i'm baffled.

              We have big heavy wooden trucks from the 60s and 70s. Very sturdy and solid.

              He pushed one of those into his brother's mouth a little while ago. It made the brother's bottom lip bleed. He felt awful, and was very concerned and protective. So, why would he like biting him?

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              • EntropyControlSpecialist
                Embracing the chaos.
                • Mar 2012
                • 7466

                #22
                Originally posted by youretooloud
                Here's where i'm baffled.

                We have big heavy wooden trucks from the 60s and 70s. Very sturdy and solid.

                He pushed one of those into his brother's mouth a little while ago. It made the brother's bottom lip bleed. He felt awful, and was very concerned and protective. So, why would he like biting him?
                I have Asperger's and I GET the biting. I STILL like to bite as it just feels good to me (but, not people/animals/living things).

                When I was younger (we're talking as an OLDER child but still younger), I would bite and pull at a blanket that ended up being ripped to shreds. I do similar things now. I'm not "normal" and I get that and putting myself out there like this will probably make you think I'm a nutter.

                Anywho, when he says it feels good he is probably telling you EXACTLY why he does it. If you can redirect him to something else that "feels good" to bite (a rubber sensory toy, sensory jewelry, a blanket that he can bite and pull) then he will be better off and so will his POOR little brother! Maybe you can teach him to do that while in your care and then eventually send it home as a gift.

                I, too, had a little brother growing up but I never bit him and that never would have been allowed. :confused:

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                • bunnyslippers
                  Daycare.com Member
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 987

                  #23
                  Originally posted by youretooloud
                  Here's where i'm baffled.

                  We have big heavy wooden trucks from the 60s and 70s. Very sturdy and solid.

                  He pushed one of those into his brother's mouth a little while ago. It made the brother's bottom lip bleed. He felt awful, and was very concerned and protective. So, why would he like biting him?
                  It could be a sensory issue (although I doubt it from hearing all the other info about this situation). Some children really enjoy the feeeling of biting.

                  This is incredibly dangerous for the little brother. Bites carry such a high rate of infection, and are really painful. I used to work with developmentally delayed teenagers and once got bit on my arm, through the skin. I can honestly say that the healing from it was the worst pain of my life - and I have had two children and brain surgery!

                  Aside from the physical concerns, that is emotionally scarring for the little one. At my job I just described, the supervisors had to make sure anyone who was bitten saw the on-site counselor...apparently, it is a very emotionally violating injury.

                  I am not even sure how you should proceed, but I wouldn't be able to let it keep happening.

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                  • NeedaVaca
                    Daycare.com Member
                    • Mar 2012
                    • 2276

                    #24
                    I mentioned in my PP that this is possibly a sensory issue. He could be biting out of excitement not necessarily anger. Chewy tubes are great for this kind of thing and can help with biters.

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                    • EntropyControlSpecialist
                      Embracing the chaos.
                      • Mar 2012
                      • 7466

                      #25
                      Originally posted by bunnyslippers
                      It could be a sensory issue (although I doubt it from hearing all the other info about this situation). Some children really enjoy the feeeling of biting.

                      This is incredibly dangerous for the little brother. Bites carry such a high rate of infection, and are really painful. I used to work with developmentally delayed teenagers and once got bit on my arm, through the skin. I can honestly say that the healing from it was the worst pain of my life - and I have had two children and brain surgery!

                      Aside from the physical concerns, that is emotionally scarring for the little one. At my job I just described, the supervisors had to make sure anyone who was bitten saw the on-site counselor...apparently, it is a very emotionally violating injury.

                      I am not even sure how you should proceed, but I wouldn't be able to let it keep happening.
                      That's so true. This child's brain will not be able to differentiate between a PARENT biting them often or their own SIBLING later on in life. It could seriously damage this child. I feel so sad for the little one.

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                      • CedarCreek
                        Advanced Daycare.com Member
                        • Jan 2013
                        • 1600

                        #26
                        Originally posted by My3cents
                        I read it to be that the Dad is talking baby talk and threatening the child with empty threats. If you bite again we will have to get you shots... I think he took it serious but has a nonchalant way of handling things, like boys will be boys, kids will be kids... The Dad seems like an explainer.....explains everything to the child to put the decision making in the child's hands, no matter if the child is capable of making those decisions at his age. Talk it out type of parent.

                        At this point and remark..... I would have stepped in with.......if this keeps happening I will have to end care....after I explained again what the boy told me. I would be the bridge to stop the problem- I would end the Dad's and Mom's excuses with my way of fixing the problem on my end of things. I would offer suggestions to help these parents too.....like don't leave the two of them alone at any time, etc.... all the ones mentioned previously too-


                        If it kept up I would term, I would have to term. I couldn't have a child biting other kids.
                        Threatening with empty threats like the rabies shots comment and handling it in a nonchalant way seems to be not taking it very seriously to me.

                        OP-What was Dads plan for putting a stop to this since it is not happening at your house?

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                        • My3cents
                          Daycare.com Member
                          • Jan 2012
                          • 3387

                          #27
                          Originally posted by CedarCreek
                          Threatening with empty threats like the rabies shots comment and handling it in a nonchalant way seems to be not taking it very seriously to me.

                          OP-What was Dads plan for putting a stop to this since it is not happening at your house?
                          I am guessing he is taking it seriously but just doesn't know what to do about it. I don't know, could be way off on this..... This is just the type of parenting that I have seen lately. I think his shot comment was in giving the child the power to make this situation right and not bite. I bet once OP says hey look, can't have this going on anymore he will take it very serious and it will sink in. I am not saying the parent is right here at all--- Just saying that some parent's have the anything goes attitude and the little chick rules the roost and the parents think the fluffy fellow is just the cutest most adorable little well behaved tyke ever- even in his terror days, stages and moments. The laid back parenting style of today's kids. This would be the type of parent you have to parent.....ugh! I stand on what I said that I am guessing (because I don't know) that this parent is hearing and taking it in, and getting that it is a serious matter- just not reacting as one would towards it and won't until it is in his face that- IT"S A PROBLEM!!! Biting is not tolerated at Daycare!!! Why have you not done anything about this up until now Parents? What are you going to do to make sure it doesn't keep happening? Sorry he can't come to daycare anymore because he is a biter. I can't risk that he is not going to bite one of the other kids or his brother while in my care. Lastly- all these bites on the little guy are forms of abuse and I am mandated <------ this would be my last strike with the parents.

                          Anyway just my view-

                          OP- yes What was Dads plan for putting a stop to this since it is not happening at your house? and I will say YET, because if he is doing it at home it most likely will come full circle and be something he does at your home too. You never know-

                          I agree with using the word abuse when talking to the parents if it doesn't stop. Good luck- hope to read updates-

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