Sunscreen...And Avoiding Sunburns

[Country Kids]

Good point, that's one reason I'm glad I don't have to deal with all that. I simply get permission for everything... And I do mean everything. I even have a potty training form, because I'm not going to be the only one potty training a child. I learned years ago that documentation is the difference between not only saving a life, but my career. I saw it happen to a fellow nurse. She lost her license because of it. That's one reason I'm a little on the crazy side when it comes to permission.

I actually have a form for them to use the play equipment and to be able to participate in all activities that we do inside and in the yard!

I also have learned to cover myself on everything.

My "water" permission form allows water tables, sprinklers, water bottles, and even to bath/shower the child if necessary.

When I had my inspection, they were very impressed with all the forms I have for my parents to fill out. They said its better to have every form possible filled out, instead of looking back and saying "I wish I had".

[Cradle2crayons]

I actually have a form for them to use the play equipment and to be able to participate in all activities that we do inside and in the yard!

I also have learned to cover myself on everything.

My "water" permission form allows water tables, sprinklers, water bottles, and even to bath/shower the child if necessary.

When I had my inspection, they were very impressed with all the forms I have for my parents to fill out. They said its better to have every form possible filled out, instead of looking back and saying "I wish I had".

Amen!!!

[Country Kids]

I stay up to date on my state's licensing rules, regulations and changes by being on the e-mail list for the Department of Health and Human Services for the state.

I receive the same notices and updates as the child care licensors and social workers do and at the same time.

Our state also makes ALL changes and rules available on the state's DHS web-site so providers and parents can access that info any time they wish.

Licensors interpret things differently and what one licensor from one county believes to be true could be completely different than another county.

What I personally do to remedy that issue is to make sure I stay in close contact with my licensor, e-mail her if and when I have questions and get IN WRITING from her anything that may be questioned later.

Like most things in child care, communication and documentation is VERY important.

I received an email on the proposed rule changes for our state (54 of them) but none of the CCR&R's did. I found that very odd that with that many proposed changes they wouldn't notify the CCR&R's!!!

Then they were having meetings/forums on it and once again our CCR&R knew nothing about it. That I find scary, if the CCR&R's aren't being notified, why aren't they since they are really our go to's.

We did have the whole spray on sunscree change last summer and it was no spray on sunscreen-none. Received my new rules/reg book, yep there it was. Was looking the other day for something on line with our rules/regs, it has now been changed to no Aerosol spray but just last summer it didn't say that.
I received nothing on this-:confused:

Thats what I don't like-changes that we aren't being made aware of.

[Play Care]

Actually English is my first and only language and I have always gotten A's in English classes (and always scored in the proficancy range on the English portion of state tests), so IDK what you mean by my tone seems ESL.

Maybe I misunderstood some of what was said and maybe it was a regional thing they are trying to in force instead of a state regulation. This was all from classes I took last semester and I was taking 6 CD classes at once so maybe some of the information got a little mixed up (especially because 3 of those classes were all with the same teacher).

Um yeah, well, this is awkward.

[Crystal]

Um yeah, well, this is awkward.

LOL!!! ::

I didn't think you meant it to offend her, hopefully she didn't either.

[Blackcat31]

I received an email on the proposed rule changes for our state (54 of them) but none of the CCR&R's did. I found that very odd that with that many proposed changes they wouldn't notify the CCR&R's!!!

Then they were having meetings/forums on it and once again our CCR&R knew nothing about it. That I find scary, if the CCR&R's aren't being notified, why aren't they since they are really our go to's.

We did have the whole spray on sunscree change last summer and it was no spray on sunscreen-none. Received my new rules/reg book, yep there it was. Was looking the other day for something on line with our rules/regs, it has now been changed to no Aerosol spray but just last summer it didn't say that.
I received nothing on this-:confused:

Thats what I don't like-changes that we aren't being made aware of.

I don't know about where you are at but here, the CCR&R is NOT the "go-to" for child care rules and regulations.

I've NEVER discussed rules/regs with anyone at CCR&R before.

I've had contact with the local CCR&R in my area twice since I opened.

Once to apply for the T.E.A.C.H. grant when in college and once to enroll in an on-line course to renew my CDA.

Other than that, I have no contact or connection with the CCR&R.

I suppose like everything else in this field, their role is different depending on your area and/or state.

I give out their phone number though for people calling looking for child care as I do know they keep a list of licensed providers and give out that list when someone asks.

[Country Kids]

I don't go by what anyone "says" - I go by what is WRITTEN in the regulations. Even if it was a licensor....if they tried to give me a citation for something, they better show me where it is in writing that I am violating a LAW. Otherwise, there'd be a lawsuit.

Oh right now we have some huge things going on in our state:

citations for only having 11 bandaids in the first aid kit-no regs

citations for relaying messages to parents via/personal ipads-no regs

being told/citations possibly? (by licensors) that parents have to have background checks if on property more then 15 minutes.-no regs

These are issues providers are having and the Unions are having to fight as the licensors are not backing down from what I am reading.

Its a big mess out there right now!

[Crystal]

Oh right now we have some huge things going on in our state:

citations for only having 11 bandaids in the first aid kit-no regs

citations for relaying messages to parents via/personal ipads-no regs

being told/citations possibly? (by licensors) that parents have to have background checks if on property more then 15 minutes.-no regs

These are issues providers are having and the Unions are having to fight as the licensors are not backing down from what I am reading.

Its a big mess out there right now!

I would fight it tooth and nail if it wasn't clearly defined, in writing, in the code. No judge in America is going to find a provider guilty if it isn't a law.

[Crystal]

I don't know about where you are at but here, the CCR&R is NOT the "go-to" for child care rules and regulations.

I've NEVER discussed rules/regs with anyone at CCR&R before.

I've had contact with the local CCR&R in my area twice since I opened.

Once to apply for the T.E.A.C.H. grant when in college and once to enroll in an on-line course to renew my CDA.

Other than that, I have no contact or connection with the CCR&R.

I suppose like everything else in this field, their role is different depending on your area and/or state.

I give out their phone number though for people calling looking for child care as I do know they keep a list of licensed providers and give out that list when someone asks.

Same here.

[mom2many]

I would fight it tooth and nail if it wasn't clearly defined, in writing, in the code. No judge in America is going to find a provider guilty if it isn't a law.

However, if you are cited for something-the process is to file an appeal. How do you sue a licensing agency? I would love to see how that works! ::

The problem that I have found is that in CA regs Title 22 it does not clearly define anything in black and white print and leaves too much up to an individual's interpretation and discretion.

Licensing analysts cannot even agree on specific things and time and time again, I have heard about providers getting cited for things that have been okay in the past with others, but now someone finds it a problem.

For example, what is "inaccessible" to one person, may not be "inaccessible" to another. I have gone back and forth with being told contradictory things and unfortunately I have had half a dozen different analysts over the years who cannot agree on anything! This makes it darn near impossible to follow whatever the whim of the moment may be!

[sharlan]

However, if you are cited for something-the process is to file an appeal. How do you sue a licensing agency? I would love to see how that works! ::

The problem that I have found is that in CA regs Title 22 it does not clearly define anything in black and white print and leaves too much up to an individual's interpretation and discretion.

Licensing analysts cannot even agree on specific things and time and time again, I have heard about providers getting cited for things that have been okay in the past with others, but now someone finds it a problem.

For example, what is "inaccessible" to one person, may not be "inaccessible" to another. I have gone back and forth with being told contradictory things and unfortunately I have had half a dozen different analysts over the years who cannot agree on anything! This makes it darn near impossible to follow whatever the whim of the moment may be!

Welcome to CA DSS-CCLD.

[Country Kids]

However, if you are cited for something-the process is to file an appeal. How do you sue a licensing agency? I would love to see how that works! ::

The problem that I have found is that in CA regs Title 22 it does not clearly define anything in black and white print and leaves too much up to an individual's interpretation and discretion.

Licensing analysts cannot even agree on specific things and time and time again, I have heard about providers getting cited for things that have been okay in the past with others, but now someone finds it a problem.

For example, what is "inaccessible" to one person, may not be "inaccessible" to another. I have gone back and forth with being told contradictory things and unfortunately I have had half a dozen different analysts over the years who cannot agree on anything! This makes it darn near impossible to follow whatever the whim of the moment may be!

Our licensor never said anything about me about having to have mulch/chips/ anything like that under the swings/play structures. She has told another provider every single time she goes there (the person has been in childcare 33 years as a provider) that you have to have 6 inches of mulch under swings/playstructures and even measures for it!!!!

Two years ago she said I had to have something for my bathroom or something like that. I said, last time you were here you said that was ok. Oh, I would never ok that was the reply. She went back through my paperwork she had and yes, it had been ok'd and signed off with her signature. That discussion was quickly ended and we moved on to something else.

When I was reading CA Title 22 on line, I didn't even see anything for sunscreen but I could totally have missed it. It was not an easy document to read.

[mom2many]

Welcome to CA DSS-CCLD.

:::::::::: Yes, a lot has changed and it seems that the longer I am in this business, the more convoluted things become! The right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing...I think this is why QRIS scares me so much!

[Country Kids]

I don't know about where you are at but here, the CCR&R is NOT the "go-to" for child care rules and regulations.

I've NEVER discussed rules/regs with anyone at CCR&R before.

I've had contact with the local CCR&R in my area twice since I opened.

Once to apply for the T.E.A.C.H. grant when in college and once to enroll in an on-line course to renew my CDA.

Other than that, I have no contact or connection with the CCR&R.

I suppose like everything else in this field, their role is different depending on your area and/or state.

I give out their phone number though for people calling looking for child care as I do know they keep a list of licensed providers and give out that list when someone asks.

Our QRIS advisory is at CCR&R, all classes/trainings, providers organizations, conferences, provider night outs, have something it seems to do with CCR&R.
They will advice us of grants, important information (except proposed rules), scholarships that are available. We even had our Christmas party at the CCR&R advisors house.

Our licensor is about 100 miles away, 2 counties away and hard to get ahold of. Even our food program is about 150 miles away and I always have to leave messages or have the secretary will try and answer my question because they are hardly ever in. When they come here to do inspections they actually stay several nights so they can get them done and over with at once.

I'm very thankful for our CCR&R!happyface

[mom2many]

Our licensor never said anything about me about having to have mulch/chips/ anything like that under the swings/play structures. She has told another provider every single time she goes there (the person has been in childcare 33 years as a provider) that you have to have 6 inches of mulch under swings/playstructures and even measures for it!!!!

Two years ago she said I had to have something for my bathroom or something like that. I said, last time you were here you said that was ok. Oh, I would never ok that was the reply. She went back through my paperwork she had and yes, it had been ok'd and signed off with her signature. That discussion was quickly ended and we moved on to something else.

When I was reading CA Title 22 on line, I didn't even see anything for sunscreen but I could totally have missed it. It was not an easy document to read.

I never saw it in writing either. However, the instructor stated that we were no longer allowed to do it per licensing regs.

I was never one to question authority and when a teacher mandated by the State of CA to teach a class says, "This is a new policy per licensing regs", I trusted them to know what they were talking about and took it at face value.

It is horrible trying to deal with so many MAJOR inconsistencies in policies/regs and I think this is my biggest grievance with licensing as a whole!