Sunscreen...And Avoiding Sunburns

[youretooloud]

I was saying if you were to give a child some type of non-prescription medication wouldn't you think you need the parents permission- it was not literally it was an example. I was using aspirin as a generic term because not many people go around saying "I have a fever, I need acetaminophen" but I know lots of people who just call pain relievers/fever reduces 'aspirin' no matter what brand it is or even if it is technically not aspirin.

LOL.. I still say asprin. I could mean vicodin, and still say asprin.

I say Kleenex too, everybody else says "Tissues".

[mom2many]

Applying sunscreen in CA is not against the regs. Nor do we, as FCCH have to have written permission to do it. Centers must have permission per title 22, but daycare homes do not.

I was told by my analyst last summer that it was a nice thing to have, but NOT MANDATORY. I have it because I was told here that it was required and that I had to have it recorded every time I used it. The person who told me that was wrong.

I have been given so much bad information during the mandatory classes. I quickly learned to think for myself and question.

Exactly! When I am taking a class that is MANDATED by the state, I would assume that they are giving me "correct and up to date info." However, over the years I have found that is definitely NOT the case!

I cannot even trust Licensing to give consistent answers. In Starbursts defense with being new and receiving current info from ECE instructors...one would naturally assume they are up to date and 100% accurate on the info they are giving out! If I was new, I would do the same! It's only because I have been at this for decades & witnessed way too many inconsistencies and way too many "personal" interpretations that I now question what is "FACT" and what is not!

[Starburst]

Couldt't have said it better myself.

Well it's not exactly easy to say "okay I made a mistake" when something had already been addressed and then everyone is jumping on the band wagon of "lets just all gang up on the newbie!"

And I always feel like I have to defend my self here not only on facts but my own opinions or thoughts that have nothing to do with regulations.

and like I said it's not like it was the other way around where I said you don't need it and you legally do- that would have been bad. And yes I do think some standards are too low and I would like my program to be held to higher standards than just the bare minimum.

[Crystal]

Well it's not exactly easy to say "okay I made a mistake" when something had already been addressed and then everyone is jumping on the band wagon of "lets just all gang up on the newbie!"

And I always feel like I have to defend my self here not only on facts but my own opinions or thoughts that have nothing to do with regulations.

and like I said it's not like it was the other way around where I said you don't need it and you legally do- that would have been bad. And yes I do think some standards are too low and I would like my program to be held to higher standards than just the bare minimum.

Sure it's easy. I have done it myself. I misquoted something about taxes one day. Someone corrected me. I was grateful for the correction, thanked the member and apologized for providing inaccurate information. We are human, we all do it, ya just gotta own it when you do.

No one attacked you here, and thinking you are being ganged up on because you are a newbie is inaccurate. Trust me, I get plowed over LOTS and have been here for years ::

I simply asked that you please be sure to provide accurate info re. regs. We get enough confusion in the state of Ca., we don't need more And, really, it is a HUGE pet peeve of mine, which is why I said anything in the first place.

Now, my second post in response to Country Kids was a little harsh, but that was directed at HER, not you....she has been "challenging me" on a few issues so I responded to her in a harsh tone because she is questioning me on things/making remarks that are really uncalled for and seem to be intentionally trying to fan some flames

[Play Care]

No one jumped all over Mom2Many for saying she was told NOT TO USE SUNSCREEN by the redcross per the liscensing dept. Has everyone been advised of this? I'm surprised Chrystal didn't bring this up since she knows the rules/regs like the back of her hand. Why wouldn't she bring it up right away?

This tells me that must be a true statement then and one I find really interesting. If no one disputes it, why is everyone in CA appling sunscreen if its against the regulations in CA?

I think the way mom2many worded her post is why. She didn't come across saying that it was in fact a reg, just that she had been told that. At least that's how I read it. Had she said "This is the reg because this was what I was told" I think it would have been different. She is following what she was told "just in case" and I can't say I blame her.

I get the feeling (and I could be wrong) that perhaps Star's first language isn't English. If it is, then I apologize, but the "tone" of her posts sees more like a ESL.

[Cradle2crayons]

No one jumped all over Mom2Many for saying she was told NOT TO USE SUNSCREEN by the redcross per the liscensing dept. Has everyone been advised of this?

This tells me that must be a true statement then and one I find really interesting. If no one disputes it, why is everyone in CA appling sunscreen if its against the regulations in CA?

Actually I questioned this several posts up from here?? Not attacking anyone, just questioning

[canadiancare]

I hate it when you answer a thread and find out you're in the middle of a heated discussion.

[Cradle2crayons]

I hate it when you answer a thread and find out you're in the middle of a heated discussion.

That happened to me yesterday on this same thread .. Matter of fact it was so heated, no one apparently even saw my comment from yesterday hahaha..

So many kind of posted at one time and I got lost in the heated part until I saw it much later

[Starburst]

I think the way mom2many worded her post is why. She didn't come across saying that it was in fact a reg, just that she had been told that. At least that's how I read it. Had she said "This is the reg because this was what I was told" I think it would have been different. She is following what she was told "just in case" and I can't say I blame her.

I get the feeling (and I could be wrong) that perhaps Star's first language isn't English. If it is, then I apologize, but the "tone" of her posts sees more like a ESL.

Actually English is my first and only language and I have always gotten A's in English classes (and always scored in the proficancy range on the English portion of state tests), so IDK what you mean by my tone seems ESL.

Maybe I misunderstood some of what was said and maybe it was a regional thing they are trying to in force instead of a state regulation. This was all from classes I took last semester and I was taking 6 CD classes at once so maybe some of the information got a little mixed up (especially because 3 of those classes were all with the same teacher).

[Country Kids]

Actually I questioned this several posts up from here?? Not attacking anyone, just questioning

Sorry!!! It was early and now looking back I saw it-

[Cradle2crayons]

Sorry!!! It was early and now looking back I saw it-

No problem bob!! I almost wondered why nobody flamed me for my comment (not that I'd care ) but I'm pretty to the point ...

Anything I'm told that I know directly affects the health and safety of a child like not applying sunblock I have an issue with. In Mississippi, it's seen as neglect. And as a cancer survivor because my parents didn't care or know better..... Wee don't get me started

[Country Kids]

If you are receiving wrong information from liscensing, classes you take, and other providers (who have heard it first hand) who do you believe in the end.

Two people on here have said that in CA, they were told certain things by teachers of required classes that were per regulations/liscensing. This actually sounds like it might happen alot in CA. Not picking on you guys but it seems there have been several posts in other threads about this.

Then you have licensing that tell you different thing. Believe me, I have had that happen and the person was dumbfounded when they found out they told me two different things on two visits. Yea me for remembering and asking. Our licensor is known to have different rules per house almost. What goes for one house doesn't go for another. We have questioned it for years and nothing changes. I wonder if that could be the case here.

We have things going on in our state that even the CCR&R's were unaware of and of course this even causes more confusion. So if no one can relay the same information, how are we suppose to keep everything in check!

[Cradle2crayons]

Good point, that's one reason I'm glad I don't have to deal with all that. I simply get permission for everything... And I do mean everything. I even have a potty training form, because I'm not going to be the only one potty training a child. I learned years ago that documentation is the difference between not only saving a life, but my career. I saw it happen to a fellow nurse. She lost her license because of it. That's one reason I'm a little on the crazy side when it comes to permission.

[Blackcat31]

I stay up to date on my state's licensing rules, regulations and changes by being on the e-mail list for the Department of Health and Human Services for the state.

I receive the same notices and updates as the child care licensors and social workers do and at the same time.

Our state also makes ALL changes and rules available on the state's DHS web-site so providers and parents can access that info any time they wish.

Licensors interpret things differently and what one licensor from one county believes to be true could be completely different than another county.

What I personally do to remedy that issue is to make sure I stay in close contact with my licensor, e-mail her if and when I have questions and get IN WRITING from her anything that may be questioned later.

Like most things in child care, communication and documentation is VERY important.

[Crystal]

If you are receiving wrong information from liscensing, classes you take, and other providers (who have heard it first hand) who do you believe in the end.

Two people on here have said that in CA, they were told certain things by teachers of required classes that were per regulations/liscensing. This actually sounds like it might happen alot in CA. Not picking on you guys but it seems there have been several posts in other threads about this.

Then you have licensing that tell you different thing. Believe me, I have had that happen and the person was dumbfounded when they found out they told me two different things on two visits. Yea me for remembering and asking. Our licensor is known to have different rules per house almost. What goes for one house doesn't go for another. We have questioned it for years and nothing changes. I wonder if that could be the case here.

We have things going on in our state that even the CCR&R's were unaware of and of course this even causes more confusion. So if no one can relay the same information, how are we suppose to keep everything in check!

I don't go by what anyone "says" - I go by what is WRITTEN in the regulations. Even if it was a licensor....if they tried to give me a citation for something, they better show me where it is in writing that I am violating a LAW. Otherwise, there'd be a lawsuit.