Sunscreen...And Avoiding Sunburns

[Crystal]

Chrystal, states change rules/regs all the time and not everyone knows about it. Might be the case here.

Happened last year in our state. No one except liscensing knew there had been a rule change on sunscreen till they were coming to our homes for inspections and having to tell us. It was in the new rule book that was put out in the very beginning of summer. My inspection was towards the end of summer but someone had told me about it which the licensor said was great and loved how we were spreading the word amongst ourselves.

Right now we have something like 54 rule changes being proposed. I called our local CCR&R about it with some questions. Guess what-they knew NOTHING about it and didn't even know a couple weeks later that there was opportunities for us to comment on us.

So maybe you just haven't heard of the changes yet, there is a chance of that. It does happen.

She didn't say, in her first post, that it MIGHT change. She said that it IS a regulation.

I KNOW the regs like the back of my hand. I check the updates VERY frequently. I wouldn't ask her to be mindful of only posting FACTS about the regs if I didn't KNOW myself what they are. On more than one occasion, and specifically in this thread, Star has posted hearsay as FACT about regs and IMO it is not okay to do so. It makes providers who are doing things differently than what she states as a REGULATION feel like they have been in violation of regs, when in fact they have not.

All I am asking is to please be certain before you state something as a regulation. If it is just something you "think" is a reg, or something that you recommend, then say so.

[mom2many]

She didn't say, in her first post, that it MIGHT change. She said that it IS a regulation.

I KNOW the regs like the back of my hand. I check the updates VERY frequently. I wouldn't ask her to be mindful of only posting FACTS about the regs if I didn't KNOW myself what they are. On more than one occasion, and specifically in this thread, Star has posted hearsay as FACT about regs and IMO it is not okay to do so. It makes providers who are doing things differently than what she states as a REGULATION feel like they have been in violation of regs, when in fact they have not.

All I am asking is to please be certain before you state something as a regulation. If it is just something you "think" is a reg, or something that you recommend, then say so.

I find this interesting, because in 27 years I have witnessed NUMEROUS situations where CA licensing has many "grey & inconsistant areas" and I have had more than one licensing analyst contradict another licensing analyst even within their own office in Santa Clara County.

Regarding sunscreen application this is what I was told in 2010 when I took the CA Child Care Pediatric First Aid class from the Red Cross required by licensing. I was instructed that as a provider we are no longer allowed to apply sunscreen per licensing.

My jaw dropped upon hearing this, because in the summer months, we spend a great deal of time outside. The instructor said that the parents must apply it before the child attends daycare in the morning. Because I have experienced so many inconsistencies within licensing over the years, I tend to never know for sure who to believe!

I decided to simply play it safe and use shade cloths and big umbrellas in our back yard to keep the kids out of the direct sun.

[Cradle2crayons]

arent allowed to apply sunscreen

that is the craziest thing I have ever heard!! Yes, signed permission required etc but to NOT ALLOW sunscreen, that's insane??? Am I crazy to think this? I would for CERTAINLY question this if I was told this simply because they require outside time in most license regulations and you can't allow them to get sunburned that's a serious health issue.

[Starburst]

She didn't say, in her first post, that it MIGHT change. She said that it IS a regulation.

I KNOW the regs like the back of my hand. I check the updates VERY frequently. I wouldn't ask her to be mindful of only posting FACTS about the regs if I didn't KNOW myself what they are. On more than one occasion, and specifically in this thread, Star has posted hearsay as FACT about regs and IMO it is not okay to do so. It makes providers who are doing things differently than what she states as a REGULATION feel like they have been in violation of regs, when in fact they have not.

All I am asking is to please be certain before you state something as a regulation. If it is just something you "think" is a reg, or something that you recommend, then say so.

Well sorry I wasn't aware that I was getting graded and quized on all my comments and that I am apparently the only person who ever gotten things mixed up on this site. I am still human and I know sometimes I make mistakes. As far as I am aware this is only the second time something like this was brought to my attention on this forum. I wasn't aware if you get confused on regulations more than once you get verbally attacked. What's the penalty for a third misunderstanding? Burn me at the stake? A public hanging? Or are you just going to cut out the middle man and bury me alive?

And it wasn't the fact that they were not rules for California (because technically they are) it was confusing them with regulations between centers and home daycares. Sorry if I thought there was a higher standard when it comes to health and safety in home daycares (which happened to be part of the other issue too). It's not like it hurts to have it on file or like you will get a citation for having it. And if for some reason they did change the laws at least you would already have it. No blood, no foul.

But then again for all I know maybe you will get a citation for having it on record, so please don't electrocute me for not knowing that!

[canadiancare]

I get my kids to wear rashguard shirts to play in and we are only out before 10am and after 4 pm.

[Willow]

Well sorry I wasn't aware that I was getting graded and quized on all my comments and that I am apparently the only person who ever gotten things mixed up on this site. I am still human and I know sometimes I make mistakes. As far as I am aware this is only the second time something like this was brought to my attention on this forum. I wasn't aware if you get confused on regulations more than once you get verbally attacked. What's the penalty for a third misunderstanding? Burn me at the stake? A public hanging? Or are you just going to cut out the middle man and bury me alive?

And it wasn't the fact that they were not rules for California (because technically they are) it was confusing them with regulations between centers and home daycares. Sorry if I thought there was a higher standard when it comes to health and safety in home daycares (which happened to be part of the other issue too). It's not like it hurts to have it on file or like you will get a citation for having it. And if for some reason they did change the laws at least you would already have it. No blood, no foul.

But then again for all I know maybe you will get a citation for having it on record, so please don't electrocute me for not knowing that!

It's incredibly important if you're going to state state licensing regs that they be accurate.

Providers and parents alike come here looking for correct information. Perhaps when you finish your education and get up and running you'll come to realize the importance of those details.


In the mean time, istead of getting butt hurt about the suggestion that your information was inaccurate perhaps you can step back off the drama and take it for what it's worth with an - "OH THANKS! And I'm sorry, I had no idea the information I had was incorrect!!!" No need to insult by throwing out digs about higher standards or go on about your torture and murder

Providers who have been providing care for some time and are invested in what they do do tend to know what they're talking about. I do wish you would be more open minded to that. Most of us here go above and beyond what you could possibly comprehend in our careers. Just because we don't go into the detail you do doesn't mean we don't know or don't do exactly what you elaborate on. It bothers me (that to me anyway) you seem to have this tone in many of your posts. Maybe it's unintentional, I do hope it is anyway.

We can all learn from each other. I just get the feeling you're not exactly sold on that being a two way street here and I have no idea why......

[Country Kids]

It's incredibly important if you're going to state state licensing regs that they be accurate.

Providers and parents alike come here looking for correct information. Perhaps when you finish your education and get up and running you'll come to realize the importance of those details.


In the mean time, istead of getting butt hurt about the suggestion that your information was inaccurate perhaps you can step back off the drama and take it for what it's worth with an - "OH THANKS! And I'm sorry, I had no idea the information I had was incorrect!!!" No need to insult by throwing out digs about higher standards or go on about your torture and murder

Providers who have been providing care for some time and are invested in what they do do tend to know what they're talking about. I do wish you would be more open minded to that. Most of us here go above and beyond what you could possibly comprehend in our careers. Just because we don't go into the detail you do doesn't mean we don't know or don't do exactly what you elaborate on. It bothers me (that to me anyway) you seem to have this tone in many of your posts. Maybe it's unintentional, I do hope it is anyway.

We can all learn from each other. I just get the feeling you're not exactly sold on that being a two way street here and I have no idea why......

No one jumped all over Mom2Many for saying she was told NOT TO USE SUNSCREEN by the redcross per the liscensing dept. Has everyone been advised of this? I'm surprised Chrystal didn't bring this up since she knows the rules/regs like the back of her hand. Why wouldn't she bring it up right away?

This tells me that must be a true statement then and one I find really interesting. If no one disputes it, why is everyone in CA appling sunscreen if its against the regulations in CA?

[Willow]

No one jumped all over Mom2Many for saying she was told NOT TO USE SUNSCREEN by the redcross per the liscensing dept. Has everyone been advised of this? I'm surprised Chrystal didn't bring this up since she knows the rules/regs like the back of her hand. Why wouldn't she bring it up right away?

This tells me that must be a true statement then and one I find really interesting. If no one disputes it, why is everyone in CA appling sunscreen if its against the regulations in CA?

Not sure if you quoted me by accident? I didn't quote mom2many, I cannot even see her posts

Was only referencing Star and that one post there

[Crystal]

It's incredibly important if you're going to state state licensing regs that they be accurate.

Providers and parents alike come here looking for correct information. Perhaps when you finish your education and get up and running you'll come to realize the importance of those details.


In the mean time, istead of getting butt hurt about the suggestion that your information was inaccurate perhaps you can step back off the drama and take it for what it's worth with an - "OH THANKS! And I'm sorry, I had no idea the information I had was incorrect!!!" No need to insult by throwing out digs about higher standards or go on about your torture and murder

Providers who have been providing care for some time and are invested in what they do do tend to know what they're talking about. I do wish you would be more open minded to that. Most of us here go above and beyond what you could possibly comprehend in our careers. Just because we don't go into the detail you do doesn't mean we don't know or don't do exactly what you elaborate on. It bothers me (that to me anyway) you seem to have this tone in many of your posts. Maybe it's unintentional, I do hope it is anyway.

We can all learn from each other. I just get the feeling you're not exactly sold on that being a two way street here and I have no idea why......

Couldt't have said it better myself.

[sharlan]

No one jumped all over Mom2Many for saying she was told NOT TO USE SUNSCREEN by the redcross per the liscensing dept. Has everyone been advised of this? I'm surprised Chrystal didn't bring this up since she knows the rules/regs like the back of her hand. Why wouldn't she bring it up right away?

This tells me that must be a true statement then and one I find really interesting. If no one disputes it, why is everyone in CA appling sunscreen if its against the regulations in CA?

Applying sunscreen in CA is not against the regs. Nor do we, as FCCH have to have written permission to do it. Centers must have permission per title 22, but daycare homes do not.

I was told by my analyst last summer that it was a nice thing to have, but NOT MANDATORY. I have it because I was told here that it was required and that I had to have it recorded every time I used it. The person who told me that was wrong.

I have been given so much bad information during the mandatory classes. I quickly learned to think for myself and question.

[Country Kids]

Applying sunscreen in CA is not against the regs. Nor do we, as FCCH have to have written permission to do it. Centers must have permission per title 22, but daycare homes do not.

I was told by my analyst last summer that it was a nice thing to have, but NOT MANDATORY. I have it because I was told here that it was required and that I had to have it recorded every time I used it. The person who told me that was wrong.

I have been given so much bad information during the mandatory classes. I quickly learned to think for myself and question.

What would happen then (just a question) if you put sunscreen on a child/ointment/whatever and there was a reaction. The parent then says, why did you put that on them (you know how parents are) and you have nothing to show they gave you permission-as in signing a form. Isn't that alot of they said, she said if it came down to it. How would you prove anything if nothing is signed.

Also, when a analyst says its a nice thing to have, it sounds to me that, even if its not mandatory, it should be something the provider does to protect themselves and show that yes they did have permission.

This is why I have forms for EVERYTHING even though most of its not required. I'm protecting myself, family and career from a parent and have everything documented that they have signed giving the me/the child permission to do.

[Blackcat31]

Chrystal, states change rules/regs all the time and not everyone knows about it. Might be the case here.

No one jumped all over Mom2Many for saying she was told NOT TO USE SUNSCREEN by the redcross per the liscensing dept. Has everyone been advised of this? I'm surprised Chrystal didn't bring this up since she knows the rules/regs like the back of her hand. Why wouldn't she bring it up right away?

I am NOT trying to be rude at all, but I've noticed this several times lately but it is Crystal NOT Chrystal. There is no "H"

I'm sorry if I offended you but my name is VERY similar and it drives me batty when someone spells it incorrectly...especially someone I have "known" for a while

[Country Kids]

Sorry Crystal for the misspelling of your name. I know several that have a H so its just natural.


I have a funny feeling though it wasn't bothering you as you didn't notify me of it. If it was though I do apologize. Also, it could have been done behind the scenes (PM).

[Crystal]

No one jumped all over Mom2Many for saying she was told NOT TO USE SUNSCREEN by the redcross per the liscensing dept. Has everyone been advised of this? I'm surprised Chrystal didn't bring this up since she knows the rules/regs like the back of her hand. Why wouldn't she bring it up right away?

This tells me that must be a true statement then and one I find really interesting. If no one disputes it, why is everyone in CA appling sunscreen if its against the regulations in CA?

Excuse me, but I did not "jump all over" anyone. I ASKED her to be certain that a reg is a reg before she states that a reg is a reg. I see nothing wrong with that :confused:

I didn't bring up that we are not allowed to apply sunscreen because THAT is not accurate either. Why would I state that it is if it isn't? Also, I did not reply to that because I had not read it yet.

My whole point was, if you are going to state something as FACT, please be sure to have your FACTS straight so as not to further confuse the poor California Girls who have to deal with mis-interpreted regs on a regular basis.

[Crystal]

Sorry Crystal for the misspelling of your name. I know several that have a H so its just natural.


I have a funny feeling though it wasn't bothering you as you didn't notify me of it. If it was though I do apologize. Also, it could have been done behind the scenes (PM).

Haha! People do it ALL the time. One provider whom I have known for 13 years and HAS been corrected about the misspelling STILL does it.