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I'm just going to chime in here and let those who don't know... PAGANS invented/created marriage - along with almost all other celebrations that catholics/christians claim as their own 
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You have every right to feel the way you feel. You have every right to believe what you believe. The issue is...not everyone feels that or believes that. So, why do your (not you personally..general "you") beliefs trump anothers?
Gay people being allowed to marry does not affect YOU. You prohibiting them from marrying DOES affect them. That's the difference, in my mind. So, you can continue to have your beliefs, and I totally respect them. It's only when other's aren't allowed the same that I take issue.
I'm not directing this at you personally, please don't think so. I'm addressing the argument in general, which is "I think it's wrong, so it shouldn't be allowed". KWIM? It's two consenting adults, why is it our business to prevent, restrict, judge, or otherwise control?
I'm not trying to convince you to think it's ok...I'm trying to say, if you find it wrong, then don't do it.
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Ok...you KNEW that despite your protests I'd answer this...I promised...
Yes...if consenting sisters, brother, uncles, cousins, or whatever wanted to marry, I'd say so what? It would take generations of this to cause "inbreeding", and there are places in the world, and in this country where that does happen. If 3 or 4 people wanted to get married, I wouldn't care either. Consenting adults. Should they receive the same tax benefits, etc? I dont' know...would have to do more research on that.
Next question: should someone be able to marry a dog, a toaster, or a child? NO...only one party is consenting. The poor toaster can't say no, and consumating the marraige would be...electrifying...
sorry....couldn't resist
What about bestiality? If the animal is all willing to engage in a sexual relationship with a person? 2 sides would be consenting, right?Comment
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If that is your thought process then do you also believe children being molested are consenting parties? Many.have no idea that what's happening is wrong so don't.know to say no, fight back or tell.
Consenting entails maturity and above all else MENTAL CAPACITY. An animal cannot speak or understand the ramifications of their actions. I'm not sure how you came up with that as any kind of reasonable comparison......do you really see no difference??
As for BC's questions I agree with Heidi.
And littlemissmuffet makes an awesome point. Why Christians feel they have the right to dictate something they had no part in creating is just beyond me.....Comment
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That's exactly what I wanted to knowOk...you KNEW that despite your protests I'd answer this...I promised...
Yes...if consenting sisters, brother, uncles, cousins, or whatever wanted to marry, I'd say so what? It would take generations of this to cause "inbreeding", and there are places in the world, and in this country where that does happen. If 3 or 4 people wanted to get married, I wouldn't care either. Consenting adults. Should they receive the same tax benefits, etc? I dont' know...would have to do more research on that.
Next question: should someone be able to marry a dog, a toaster, or a child? NO...only one party is consenting. The poor toaster can't say no, and consumating the marraige would be...electrifying...
sorry....couldn't resist
and the toaster thing..... :: :: ::
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:hug: to all this morning! You know I was thinking the best way to keep friendships-No politics/religion talk (old saying).
I myself have had issues with beliefs of other people and what I should do with my own life.
Here's some of the things that have been told to me:
Not to marry in the "church" that I was being married in. It wasn't of my families believe system. It bothered them the religion that I was being married to, even though I wasn't going to convert.
Not sure but may have bothered people I was marrying someone from another race/culture. It probably was mentioned but not sure.
In pre-marital meetings with the person who was marrying us-Had to meet with my parent as I wasn't baptized at all. Was a huge issue for the "church". Also wasn't sure if we were going to make it-Celebrating 23 years this year.
Have had people tell me "I'm surprised you had so many children, we didn't think you liked children!" I only do it for a living- I don't like disrespectivel children or I rule the roost children. Wow, quiet a shocker I guess.
I still have issues with people on how the church we attend believes(been going for the last 23 years) and went with family members growing up. Now one of the biggest persons I have to defend my beliefs to are relatives who left the church and joined other beliefs/churches. I finally have told them I don't want to talk religion with them anymore-its to stressful. Also, if the few hangups they have with it keeps me from heaven, I probably didn't have a chance to begin with. We belong to a very conservative church and people seem to have issues that we don't go along with the mainstream churches.
The longer for me personally, I search out things myself in my religions/personal beliefs, the more I found out about myself and what I believe in and why my church believes the way they do. If I have questions and can't figure things out, I ask, research, and look some more. When my husband asks what I would do if I didn't work what would I do with my days, I tell him I could fill it very easily. I could be a professional student as I love to learn. I have grown tremendously over the years and try really hard not to go against what I believe in, even though it would be so much easier to do.
Everyday I have to stand up for my religious/personal beliefs and I think it makes me a stronger person. Just like I stand up for my business practices, I stand up for things I believe in also on a personal level.
Anyway this is turning out way longer then I expected. Just wanted to send :hug:s to everyone and say we may have different beliefs/opinions but in the end we all have one things in common that keeps us here, talking and sharing friendships-DAYCARE!
Everyone have a wonderful day-happyfaceEach day is a fresh start
Never look back on regrets
Live life to the fullest
We only get one shot at this!!
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If that is your thought process then do you also believe children being molested are consenting parties? Many.have no idea that what's happening is wrong so don't.know to say no, fight back or tell.
I don't see why is ridiculous, I can think of a situation where it could happen w/out the animal being forced to do it, that is consenting and I don't want to be graphic but it could happen. Then a mute person cannot show a way of consenting because consenting only is approved if words are used? A child an animal are 2 different things.
And littlemissmuffet makes an awesome point. Why Christians feel they have the right to dictate something they had no part in creating is just beyond me.....
At least here I don't think no one is telling people what to do ( dictate), now we do have the right to say it out loud, we don't agree with it, we think is wrong and we believe it should stay between a man a woman.Comment
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I'm wondering if anyone here has changed their mind about this issue, or personally knows someone who has had a change of opinion on this matter. I ask because I have always believed as I do now, and I don't personally know anyone who has changed what they believe. Obviously it happens because opinions today are much different than say 50 years ago. Or are people just more open with their thoughts than they were then?
If your opinion has changed, did something happen that caused you to rethink your position? I'm curious because everyone seems to feel very strongly about where they stand and I can't imagine what could shake someone from it.Comment
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Oh good grief
Really? Really? You take a perfectly MATURE discussion about a very REAL topic and turn into this?
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I don't think no one has changes, their opinion, that is why i think is not exactly about changing opinions but about sharing opinions
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Luna - mine did. 5 years or so ago?
Despite having some pretty conservative values I met three people that changed my entire perspective....the couple I spoke of earlier and a horse trainer who happened to be gay. Before then I knew *of* homosexuals but never had the chance to know any personally. I discovered they aren't monsters, they are no different than anyone else. I saw their families and could no longer justify any prejudice I held. Before then I didn't hate them, but I did think they were different in ways that should have prevented them from being declared legally married. From then on though that thinking made no sense because now they were PEOPLE, not just a label.
Although I am not religious I sure searched my heart and begged God's forgiveness for my misjudgments. I still feel bad about it though I won't let myself forget that if I fudged there I am fallible
in life. I don't know it all, it's not my place to judge....knowing that keeps me humble.
It sickened me to learn that if two women are together for 50 years and one fell ill in the hospital the other wouldn't be allowed to make medical decisions. I love my parents bit it is my SPOUSE who knows my wishes and would be allowed to handle those tough issues. Legally, partners are unable to an that is LUDICROUS. If they adopt children only one can be labeled as an adoptive parent. There is always someone left out in partnerships and no, that's not acceptable to me anymore.
My heart has evolved and I'm so very glad it has. My children will never hear that judgment from me and I think it will help them grow to be more tolerant and peaceful people, which this world definitely needs more of.Comment
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I think it's time for you to stop. All the winky and smiley faces in the world aren't going to make anyone think that you are doing anything but reaching for something to prove your point. Which I'm not sure what that is when it comes to your ludicrous views on beastiality. Which I guess in your mind has some connection to gay marriage rights??
Oh.."no offense" and
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