Gay Marriage

[My3cents]

OK I will jump in
first I totally agree with Black cat.
Also speaking from a child's emotional well being...
( mainly a gay couple's child)

Little Johnny is in school and the teacher says:
"O.K. kids now everyone needs to take this permission slip home and have your mom or dad sign it for the field trip tomorrow"

Suzy says.." Johnny doesn't have a mommy... he has 2 daddy's"

Everyone: "ewwwwww! "
Johnny goes home crying and parents call Gloria Allred and sues the school, parents, and state for child's mental distress..
( I know I am exaggerating but I think that's where we are headed)

the suing mentality has to go-

The teacher speak up and says how lucky is Johnny to have two fathers that love him dearly- Families are all different these days.

There is good and bad people of all sorts- Pushy people of all sorts- Like people because they are likable, and not for what they believe in or choose to to sleep with. Simple concepts. This topic is old- it is discrimination at its finest. Discriminate against truly evil, cruel people and let others live and not judge. Educate your family and your friends and take a stance to better our world not tare it down with hate- If two people love each other let them alone and let them have the same rights as all of us. I go somewhere I don't want to see anyone all over someone else, save it for your bedroom. To see two people hold hands or be kind to one another .......what bother is it to me?

If one of my kids told me they were gay I would love them anyway. I hope that I have made that topic open enough so that they never have to hide and be anything but themselves with me or suffer inner turmoil.

We have more to worry about then this garbage in today's world. Really time to get over this and move on to more important issues.

[EntropyControlSpecialist]

That is usually the case when someone opposes something that is no longer viewed "socially unacceptable".

It is often hard to go against the grain and stand up for something you believe in when you are in the minority.

No one wants to be the only one....kwim?

Especially with this "hot topic" right now.

[My3cents]

I am a Christian, and I wholeheartedly believe gay people should be allowed to marry if they choose.

First of all, I don't think being gay is a choice. I think you are born that way. I don't understand how anyone could think that it would be a "choice" to be persecuted in the way that gays are. I have also had several friends that were Christian and gay and hated themselves so much because people told them it was a choice to be gay. But they were born that way, and couldn't change it if they tried. It is a part of themselves from birth, like a skin color, like a gender. And therefore, I believe God created gays in His infinite wisdom. And to Him, they are perfect, though not without sin, and created in His image just like any one of us.

If we are going for scripture, here's one that I base MY faith on:
Matthew 22:36-40
lovethislovethis:hug:lovethislovethis
New International Version (NIV)

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

The Bible, while a very important and meaningful work, is also largely a social and historical commentary on the time it was written, in my opinion. In the time it was written, polygamy was not looked down upon, owning slaves was common, etc. Now men CAN touch the skin of a pig with their bare hands and do so at every football game. The verses and ideas evolve. That's how we get from a theme of "eye for an eye" in the Old Testament to "The golden rule" in the New Testament. We are still evolving. The times are still changing.

The verse above means something to me because it transcends time. I can make it applicable to almost every circumstance and my conscience will tell me the right path. Here, I'll do it for you now. It is easy for me to love the Lord with all my soul and heart and mind. This includes for me everything that He has made, which would therefore include gay people. Second, I will love my neighbor as myself. If my neighbor was a gay person, I would still want them to have everything in life that I have been blessed with. That would include a loving MARRIAGE, children, pets, a home, a full and fantastic life. I would not tell them they could have all of those things, as long as they named their union something lesser than my own. That is condescending. I would not want someone to be condescending to me, so I will not love my neighbor by treating him this way. Therefore, if I want marriage for myself, I want marriage for my neighbor, including if my neighbor is gay. This is how I interpret the scripture.

In my opinion, anyone willing to make the choice to make vows with their spouse and a commitment for life deserves the right to be married and call it marriage.

[My3cents]

I am a Christian, and I wholeheartedly believe gay people should be allowed to marry if they choose.

First of all, I don't think being gay is a choice. I think you are born that way. I don't understand how anyone could think that it would be a "choice" to be persecuted in the way that gays are. I have also had several friends that were Christian and gay and hated themselves so much because people told them it was a choice to be gay. But they were born that way, and couldn't change it if they tried. It is a part of themselves from birth, like a skin color, like a gender. And therefore, I believe God created gays in His infinite wisdom. And to Him, they are perfect, though not without sin, and created in His image just like any one of us.

If we are going for scripture, here's one that I base MY faith on:
Matthew 22:36-40

New International Version (NIV)

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

The Bible, while a very important and meaningful work, is also largely a social and historical commentary on the time it was written, in my opinion. In the time it was written, polygamy was not looked down upon, owning slaves was common, etc. Now men CAN touch the skin of a pig with their bare hands and do so at every football game. The verses and ideas evolve. That's how we get from a theme of "eye for an eye" in the Old Testament to "The golden rule" in the New Testament. We are still evolving. The times are still changing.

The verse above means something to me because it transcends time. I can make it applicable to almost every circumstance and my conscience will tell me the right path. Here, I'll do it for you now. It is easy for me to love the Lord with all my soul and heart and mind. This includes for me everything that He has made, which would therefore include gay people. Second, I will love my neighbor as myself. If my neighbor was a gay person, I would still want them to have everything in life that I have been blessed with. That would include a loving MARRIAGE, children, pets, a home, a full and fantastic life. I would not tell them they could have all of those things, as long as they named their union something lesser than my own. That is condescending. I would not want someone to be condescending to me, so I will not love my neighbor by treating him this way. Therefore, if I want marriage for myself, I want marriage for my neighbor, including if my neighbor is gay. This is how I interpret the scripture.

In my opinion, anyone willing to make the choice to make vows with their spouse and a commitment for life deserves the right to be married and call it marriage.

lovethislovethis:hug:lovethis

[My3cents]

I don't question your parenting at all, If you say you are a good mother I take your word for it. But a question was asked and I answered what I think about the topic, and it is OK for me to have my own personal beliefs about something. I respect your family but I don't think is the Ideal, I was raised by 2 parents male and female, and I think that is the natural way of things. What I mean of not being fair, is that if someone is taking that away from a child because his own desire to be a parent, that for me is not fair to the child. I know there are a lot of single moms and dads out there and some do a better job than 2 parents together, but it is not the ideal situation, for me personally and my personal belief won't change the world so no one should worry about it

Ideal--- translates to perfect for me. None of us are perfect.

To a child that is being raised by two loving adults, that family is ideal to that child.

Your right your personal belief won't change the world for the better if your stuck in that mind set. I do worry about that, because it is not fair to loving couples that just want to live their lives.

[My3cents]

My husband and I were married by a justice of the peace. We are legally married. We have a marriage certificate. But we are not married in the religious sense.

I think ALL couples should have the right to marry legally. If they choose to be married in the religious sense, they would need to seek out a religious organization who does that. I think legally, all couples should have the choice. I think religiously, it is up to that particular organization.

Marriage is not a Christians only club. different religious organizations all over the earth use the word marriage. It is the word our government uses to define the joining of two people as a family. If the argument is TRULY about the word, than this is a fight that was lost a very long time ago. I had no one picketing my wedding or standing up for marriage as a religious term that day.

nah smah If God was included in your ceremony then I feel your marriage was a legal marriage and one of religion. I don't believe that because someone is not married in a church that they don't have a religious marriage. Religion is personal and comes in many forms other then Catholic Faith.

[My3cents]

happyface:hug:lovethis

This is such a beautiful post it honestly made my eyes tear up. lovethis

lovethis

[AnneCordelia]

Yeap and it bugs me a lot! This week when everyone was updating their FBK profile picture to the = Someone that I know changed her profile picture to an = with an x over it. Ok, I know it seem like an invite for controversy, but she was clear and posted that she was not trying to offend no one just expressing her point of view. Well, oh well People were furious and they bashed against her w/out mercy LOL That made me mad, so I entered the conversation and ended up in very heated debate. My point only in the debate was that all people should be able to express themselves. When people posted the = sign she did not went to their pages to drag them down or insult them, she respected that post and picture and everyone should do the same even when the mindset seems archaic. She was not telling no one not to be gay, not to deny their rights, she was just expressing her point of view. Sadly today people are still upset about that post and the reason I tell you about it is because I think people are afraid to express themselves, they fear what others will think or to be the outcast and what are we doing?:confused: just giving up our own right to express freely?

I will tell you why I think they jumped on her pic. People were using the Human Rights Campaigns photo as a profile picture to encourage and support the SCOTUS into *changing law* in favour of equal rights for marriage. When a person puts a negative spoof of the pic up it appears as though they are in favour of *laws* that keep marriage exclusive and deny the equal right to marriage. It is all about her timing.

It is OK to think marriage is between a man and a woman. It is OK to believe that. What is not OK is to legislate your personal beliefs in a way that infringes on another's personal rights. Putting up the profile pic she did, I believe, implies she is in favour of legalling infringing on rights. Similar to a meme I saw that illustrated a Jewish man captioned "Doesnt believe in eating pork. Doesnt try to make pork illegal."

[craftymissbeth]

nah smah If God was included in your ceremony then I feel your marriage was a legal marriage and one of religion. I don't believe that because someone is not married in a church that they don't have a religious marriage. Religion is personal and comes in many forms other then Catholic Faith.

I totally agree. We were married in my SIL's house by a retired judge but you'd better believe that God was there that day. For my family, our religion is deeply personal. We are Christian, but do not belong to a church... but God is an enormous part of our life. I guess that's why I have such a huge problem with saying that if a couple is married outside of a church they aren't actually married.

[Heidi]

I am a Christian, and I wholeheartedly believe gay people should be allowed to marry if they choose.

First of all, I don't think being gay is a choice. I think you are born that way. I don't understand how anyone could think that it would be a "choice" to be persecuted in the way that gays are. I have also had several friends that were Christian and gay and hated themselves so much because people told them it was a choice to be gay. But they were born that way, and couldn't change it if they tried. It is a part of themselves from birth, like a skin color, like a gender. And therefore, I believe God created gays in His infinite wisdom. And to Him, they are perfect, though not without sin, and created in His image just like any one of us.

If we are going for scripture, here's one that I base MY faith on:
Matthew 22:36-40

New International Version (NIV)

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

The Bible, while a very important and meaningful work, is also largely a social and historical commentary on the time it was written, in my opinion. In the time it was written, polygamy was not looked down upon, owning slaves was common, etc. Now men CAN touch the skin of a pig with their bare hands and do so at every football game. The verses and ideas evolve. That's how we get from a theme of "eye for an eye" in the Old Testament to "The golden rule" in the New Testament. We are still evolving. The times are still changing.

The verse above means something to me because it transcends time. I can make it applicable to almost every circumstance and my conscience will tell me the right path. Here, I'll do it for you now. It is easy for me to love the Lord with all my soul and heart and mind. This includes for me everything that He has made, which would therefore include gay people. Second, I will love my neighbor as myself. If my neighbor was a gay person, I would still want them to have everything in life that I have been blessed with. That would include a loving MARRIAGE, children, pets, a home, a full and fantastic life. I would not tell them they could have all of those things, as long as they named their union something lesser than my own. That is condescending. I would not want someone to be condescending to me, so I will not love my neighbor by treating him this way. Therefore, if I want marriage for myself, I want marriage for my neighbor, including if my neighbor is gay. This is how I interpret the scripture.

In my opinion, anyone willing to make the choice to make vows with their spouse and a commitment for life deserves the right to be married and call it marriage.

Oh thankyou! That was so well said! :hug::hug::hug:

[nanglgrl]

nah smah If God was included in your ceremony then I feel your marriage was a legal marriage and one of religion. I don't believe that because someone is not married in a church that they don't have a religious marriage. Religion is personal and comes in many forms other then Catholic Faith.

I guess I read what she said differently. I agree with what you said above but I also believe that God does not have to be included in a marriage to make it legal.

[Country Kids]

I have mulled over posting on this thread but something in the back of my mind keeps bring this up and reading it.

I am a Christian and strive on a daily basis to follow the Lord and do what I feel is right.

Gay marriage I feel is not right and was not instituted to be between two people of the same sex. It is to be between a man and a woman. There are many,many places in the BIBLE that says this. No where does it say its ok for to people of the same sex to be married. No where-whether legal or not.

Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because of the homosexuality going on in the city for one of the bigger examples in the BIBLE. It talks on how it is wrong in the New Testament as well. It is condemed throughout the entire Bible.

If God wanted people of the same sex to be married/together, I feel thats who he would have put on the earth first-not a man and a woman. If he had put to people on the earth of the same sex, guess what there would have been no more population! It would have stopped right there.

I also do not like how churches are suddenly OK with the whole issue because of the fear they are being put through. Nothing has changed in the BIBLE, its still the same now as it was in the beginning. I feel sometimes Christians go along with the flow because we are tired of the fight. We also, have had many things taken away from us but if we go against the grain we are instantly "Haters".

God doesn't make something that he considers "sinful". We all have choices in how we live our life. We have a right choice and a wrong choice. We have a choice to commit sin or not.

No where in the Bible does it say you have to be married in a church building to be considered married. This is again something that has been added to different religions. In fact there were no Church Buildings in the Bible. The church is actually the body of people that attend the church-the assembly. So to say you aren't married unless married in the church is not even correct. Saying you aren't married unless you were to be married in the church building would be correct. I find no mention of where a person is to be married in order to be considered married. In the BIBLE, Christians met in homes of each other and some do that to this day.

Alot is taken away and added to the Bible by man to make life easier for us. God did take quiet a bit away himself from the Old Testament to the New Testament. Because I believe something is wrong because of my faith doesn't make me a hater. Every day I see things that are wrong in our world that are slowly becoming the norm and at the end of the day, I have to look back and think did I do everything I could to make this a better world the way I was taught, raised and believe in.

[jokalima]

Ideal--- translates to perfect for me. None of us are perfect.

To a child that is being raised by two loving adults, that family is ideal to that child.

Your right your personal belief won't change the world for the better if your stuck in that mind set. I do worry about that, because it is not fair to loving couples that just want to live their lives.

I don't understand why is it not fair for them, I am not stopping
them from getting married, what I believe or think is right should not affect them at all. For me a person comes from a man and a woman, they should be able to experience that, what we as image of God were design to be, but that is me, I am a Christian and not a liberal one and I know not the entire USA has to live by biblical standards, I wish they would but they don't have to. Now that does not mean that because gay marriage is going to be legal I will change my mind and what I believe is right or wrong, and that all of the sudden I will call the God I believe in a liar. Again is a matter of opinions and I don't think I hurt no one by believing and thinking the way I do.

[jokalima]

I have mulled over posting on this thread but something in the back of my mind keeps bring this up and reading it.

I am a Christian and strive on a daily basis to follow the Lord and do what I feel is right.

Gay marriage I feel is not right and was not instituted to be between two people of the same sex. It is to be between a man and a woman. There are many,many places in the BIBLE that says this. No where does it say its ok for to people of the same sex to be married. No where-whether legal or not.

Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because of the homosexuality going on in the city for one of the bigger examples in the BIBLE. It talks on how it is wrong in the New Testament as well. It is condemed throughout the entire Bible.


If God wanted people of the same sex to be married/together, I feel thats who he would have put on the earth first-not a man and a woman. If he had put to people on the earth of the same sex, guess what there would have been no more population! It would have stopped right there.

I also do not like how churches are suddenly OK with the whole issue because of the fear they are being put through. Nothing has changed in the BIBLE, its still the same now as it was in the beginning. I feel sometimes Christians go along with the flow because we are tired of the fight. We also, have had many things taken away from us but if we go against the grain we are instantly "Haters".

God doesn't make something that he considers "sinful". We all have choices in how we live our life. We have a right choice and a wrong choice. We have a choice to commit sin or not.

No where in the Bible does it say you have to be married in a church building to be considered married. This is again something that has been added to different religions. In fact there were no Church Buildings in the Bible. The church is actually the body of people that attend the church-the assembly. So to say you aren't married unless married in the church is not even correct. Saying you aren't married unless you were to be married in the church building would be correct. I find no mention of where a person is to be married in order to be considered married. In the BIBLE, Christians met in homes of each other and some do that to this day.

Alot is taken away and added to the Bible by man to make life easier for us. God did take quiet a bit away himself from the Old Testament to the New Testament. Because I believe something is wrong because of my faith doesn't make me a hater. Every day I see things that are wrong in our world that are slowly becoming the norm and at the end of the day, I have to look back and think did I do everything I could to make this a better world the way I was taught, raised and believe in.

Could not agree with you more I have been called a hater for expressin my opinions about this, not here though.
The people that fights so hard for TOLERANCE is the most intolerant people towards Christians. All of the sudden we cannot express ourselves because if we do, we hate. We don't come from a place of hate but of love. If one sin is accepted as good, then all other sins are good as well, fornication ( already accepted ) unfaithfulness, euthanasia, polygamy, polyandry you name it, it is all OK and should be practice by those who want to, because again, once one sin is OK all of them are. This times are frightening, I hope I can do the best I can raising my child.

[Country Kids]

Could not agree with you more I have been called a hater for expressin my opinions about this, not here though.
The people that fights so hard for TOLERANCE is the most intolerant people towards Christians. All of the sudden we cannot express ourselves because if we do, we hate. We don't come from a place of hate but of love. If one sin is accepted as good, then all other sins are good as well, fornication ( already accepted ) unfaithfulness, euthanasia, polygamy, polyandry you name it, it is all OK and should be practice by those who want to, because again, once one sin is OK all of them are. This times are frightening, I hope I can do the best I can raising my child.

Very True!