Son Summarily Dismissed Because of Parents Question

[MsKara]

I don't dislike you Janet and I guess we all can get a little heated from time to time. We just need to watch what we say and how we say it. I have read alot of your posts and many have been helpful and informative to me. Thanks for sticking around.

[Janet]

MsKara

I don't dislike you Janet and I guess we all can get a little heated from time to time. We just need to watch what we say and how we say it. I have read alot of your posts and many have been helpful and informative to me. Thanks for sticking around.

No problem. I'm the first to admit that from time to time I do stick my foot in my mouth. As far as I'm concerned, it's all water under the bridge. I've read alot of your posts as well and I've found them to be helpful and informative as well.

[Michael]

The biggest question I have is, "Why was it even brought up"?


Unless the place is run by a group of guys who dress like the Chiquita banana lady with a few odd members of the Village people thrown in, or run by a couple women who have shorter hair than Marine drill instructors, wear more flannel than Paul Bunyon, and have deeper voices than Jim Reeves, I can't see why it would even be brought up.

And, if this was the case (suspicions) then if a person is so opposed to that behavior, why would they even think of leaving their child in that care center?

Funny chicken.

Sometimes members use this forum as though it was a chat room. It is not. We link to much of this from the front page of Daycare.com with many new visitors reading. Over 5000 a day!

Many that come here are looking to see what this industry holds for them. Some of the personal attacks here have got to stop. I am going to close down threads that get off topic. If you want to berate someone why not use the Private Messaging? Many new members leave because they do not have a place they can ask novice questions without someone taking it personally and that's unfortunate. The good thing is this forum gets so much traffic that it will always gernerate new members. Imagine how it would be it most stuck around!

Michael
Admin

[JJPlaycare]

I think it is a good time to delete this post Michael!! Lets drop it, we could talk about whether or not Brett Favre is going to play for those Minnesota Vikings this year or not, something a little less controversial! LOL Just kidding!!

Everyone just smile! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion! I am a relatively new member of this forum and I enjoy comming to this forum to get valuable information from very intelligent providers and no one has the right to belittle anyone on here and it needs to end here!! Lets move on from this and learn from each of our mistakes and tune into some of the newer posts!! Have a wonderful day!! Megan

[Michael]

I'll just close the thread JJ.

[Michael]

I am reopening this thread because hutchison4life emailed me. Here is the email:

Hi Michael,
It looks like I stirred up a hornets nest. FYI, I'm not a forum troll. I did not expect so many posts, many of which were off point.
I was going to respond with more info. about myself and the situation but I guess you've locked out the thread from further comments. Many assume that I'm some sort of bigot, homo-phob, or religious zealot, which could not be further from the truth.

I'm a San Francisco native and moved a couple of years ago. I've not lived that lifestyle, but I lived in a place that was very much. I respect people enough to not interfere or judge them for there choices. I follow the rule, "live and let live". Unfortunately there are those who think that is not enough and believe otherwise. Hence the 777 act passed in CA. 2 years ago.

Although I did not read all of the posts the preponderance of many were of concern to me and confirm my suspicion of some educators to be more inclined to explore those topics with children.

Many seem to take upon themselves to educate those things that should be explained by parents. As I explained to my sons teacher.

Yours,
hutchenson4life

P.S. I was at work when I posted, which was Friday. My son's Birthday was Sunday, he turned 4, I had alot going on the weekends. I also work on a computer all day, everyday, so am not very inclined to get on the internet when i'm home.
Thank you for contacting me, and I've read many more posts and was appreciative of reading most who had something to say. I realize this is a hot topic these days, but I don't think it should be. I really viewed my original post as an innocent request from the teacher/administrator. I view Gay pride as an example of ground hog day, Presidents dDy, it's part of our society. Whether one accepts or not.

[professionalmom]

Michael,
Thank you so much for addressing this. And thank you for posting the response from the OP. Just as I suspected, it was just a parent who wished to educate on these topics at home, and not by some other person.

Hopefully, we can all agree to disagree on some things and realize that an opinion is just an opinion and that we do not all have to be clones of each other. In many respects, most topics are not black or white, but varying shades of gray. And we need to keep in mind that with the freedom of speech, comes the responsibility of speech. We need to keep the name-calling, insinuations, assumptions, etc. out of this forum and just simply, and humbly, state our opinions, without judgment of others and without fear of what others might think.

The bottom line is that we are all working very hard at a very difficult profession and need to respect each other for that. We need to be supportive of each other, not knock each other down just to feel better about ourselves. Sadly, we all want (and some need) reassurances that we are doing a great job. We so very rarely get that from our clients, DC kids, our own children, our spouses, or anyone else. Let's lift each other up.

As for Janet, I am sorry if I made you feel threatened in any way. I only wanted to convey that sometimes things are not what they seem. And with the OP, there really wasn't a ton of info. Now we can see more of the picture after Michael's post of the OP's email. We all have "issues" that are very close to our hearts and drive us over the edge. I do too. I will never pretend that I don't. That's why I TRY (even though I sometimes fail and the trying part) not to get too involved in religious or political conversations, especially if the person has vastly different views than I. I don't dislike you in any way. I love you. FYI - I can love a person and disagree with him or her. I don't want you to leave. I'm sending you a great big hug of friendship. If we lived closer, I'd gladly have you over for a cup of tea. I'll bet we would find many other topics to agree on and laugh about. Oh, and the cup of tea would have to wait. We're in the middle of a move and I don't know where the cups are. Or the tea for that matter.

[Former Teacher]

A Public Letter to Michael.....

Yes, thank you Michael for posting the letter from the OP. It does shed light, at least for me that this poster was in fact real. So thanks.

As for the comment you made earlier about us using this forum as a chat room. I agree with you to a point. However I speak for only myself but I have feel like I have gotten to know my fellow sisters and a few brothers (: here just by posting. We all at least have something in common, which is of course our love for the children. So IMO if we seem to get off topic, it is not intentional. No worries though...you are the Papa Bear who keeps US and everything in control!

Thanks again for posting the letter AND for being a great admin!

[Janet]

Oh, I don't know about Favre!

I think it is a good time to delete this post Michael!! Lets drop it, we could talk about whether or not Brett Favre is going to play for those Minnesota Vikings this year or not, something a little less controversial! LOL Just kidding!!

Everyone just smile! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion! I am a relatively new member of this forum and I enjoy comming to this forum to get valuable information from very intelligent providers and no one has the right to belittle anyone on here and it needs to end here!! Lets move on from this and learn from each of our mistakes and tune into some of the newer posts!! Have a wonderful day!! Megan

I still have some hostility toward him for leaving the Packers! I may never get over the mental anquish that he casues me!

[Michael]

Yes, thank you Michael for posting the letter from the OP. It does shed light, at least for me that this poster was in fact real. So thanks.

As for the comment you made earlier about us using this forum as a chat room. I agree with you to a point. However I speak for only myself but I have feel like I have gotten to know my fellow sisters and a few brothers (: here just by posting. We all at least have something in common, which is of course our love for the children. So IMO if we seem to get off topic, it is not intentional. No worries though...you are the Papa Bear who keeps US and everything in control!

Thanks again for posting the letter AND for being a great admin!

Well thanks. I don't mind everyone getting to know each other. A lot of these topics get searched and it is important to me that they find what they are searching for. I run several businesses and wish I had more time to devote here but I can only put in so much time. I can make more moderators if anyone wants a try at it.

[Chickenhauler]

Funny chicken.

Michael
Admin

While it was kinda tongue-in-cheek sarcasm, I was being serious about "why was it even brought up"?

With hutchison4life's PM to you, their previous location may explain why this was brought up.

[Golden Rule]

While it was kinda tongue-in-cheek sarcasm, I was being serious about "why was it even brought up"?

With hutchison4life's PM to you, their previous location may explain why this was brought up.

Kind of, but I am in/around Atlanta and nobody has ever asked me if I intended to take the kids to the "P i m p s and H o ' s Parade".... It just seemed so "out there" to me, I guess.

I wish OP would give a bit more info... It is such an interesting issue.

I also would like to apologize for assuming it was a "drama post" in conjunction with the recent prop 8 ruling. The timing added with the delay of a response made it a more plausible scenario than assuming the school would discuss any form of sexuality with toddlers, in my mind. I am sorry.

[hutchison4life]

I appreciate your comments, Thank you!

Hello,
Thank you to everyone for posting comments to my thread. ProfessionalMoms' post was especially welcome as others were also. I found it enlightening how this subject shed light on some peoples true colors and beliefs. Their are those who think, as I believe my sons teacher does, that they know better than their parents. I had follow up conversation with the teacher regarding my request, she took it so personally. I tried to explain to her, because of my life experience, some history, some of the harboring suspicion regarding Ca. laws. What was the harm of asking her? Should not a parent have a right to ask such things?
If I could describe the outcome I would call it reverse bigotry.
Has anyone heard of Ca. Bill 777? I find it curious that prop 8 was brought up but nothing about bill 777 that was signed into law. Prop 8 was a law passed by the majority of all Californians, whether you approve of it or not. Bill 777 was a legislative act passed by the legislature and signed into law by the governor. There is a vast difference between the two. California is and has been the leader for making many laws that are eventually adopted in one fashion or another throughout the nation.
For myself; I am active in my childs life. I am responsible for what he learns at this age. I am accountable for my child. I cannot protect him from all the things in the world, but I can influence him and explain things so that he is informed. I am not politically correct, but I do not teach hate or bigotry. I believe decisions have repercussions.

[jen]

I looked up bill 777. Here is a summary:

California S.B. 777
Summary: This bill would prohibit instruction or activity or the use of any instructional materials in public schools (or in some cases private schools receiving state financial assistance) that reflects adversely upon any persons because of their sexual orientation or actual or perceived gender. The bill also prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation or actual or perceived gender in any program or activity conducted by a school that receives state financial assistance.

I'm not sure why this bill would cause anyone concern though or how it influences this topic.

[jen]

Hello,
Thank you to everyone for posting comments to my thread. ProfessionalMoms' post was especially welcome as others were also. I found it enlightening how this subject shed light on some peoples true colors and beliefs. Their are those who think, as I believe my sons teacher does, that they know better than their parents. I had follow up conversation with the teacher regarding my request, she took it so personally. I tried to explain to her, because of my life experience, some history, some of the harboring suspicion regarding Ca. laws. What was the harm of asking her? Should not a parent have a right to ask such things?
If I could describe the outcome I would call it reverse bigotry.
Has anyone heard of Ca. Bill 777? I find it curious that prop 8 was brought up but nothing about bill 777 that was signed into law. Prop 8 was a law passed by the majority of all Californians, whether you approve of it or not. Bill 777 was a legislative act passed by the legislature and signed into law by the governor. There is a vast difference between the two. California is and has been the leader for making many laws that are eventually adopted in one fashion or another throughout the nation.
For myself; I am active in my childs life. I am responsible for what he learns at this age. I am accountable for my child. I cannot protect him from all the things in the world, but I can influence him and explain things so that he is informed. I am not politically correct, but I do not teach hate or bigotry. I believe decisions have repercussions.

A parent absolutely has the right to ask such things, or keep a child home if they have concerns. Without a doubt. It is very important as a parent to choose a child care provider or educational setting that reflects your own belief system.

For example, my sister is gay. She and her partner send thier daughter to a private catholic school because it is a very good school. It would be ridiculous of her not to expect that the school teach that homosexuality is a sin. Instead, she simply explains that is not the belief system that they follow.

You child is obviously much younger, so of course a simple explanation may not be the answer. The answer in this case may be to find a daycare/preschool that more closely reflects your beliefs. Is that bigotry? No. Not on your part, and not on the part of school. It is simply a matter of matching the child and the families beliefs to the core beliefs and curriculum of the provider or educational setting.

I hope that you find a daycare that more closely reflects your families beliefs.

I do apologize if I was unnecessarily harsh in my earlier postings.