Is There Even A Point?

[familyschoolcare]

For this child think toilet taught first. Then later potty trained. The nonverbal 4 year old I currently have came to me " fully" potty trained about 3months ago, was really toilet taught as long as you took him to the bathroom every hour he was fine would and still does everything on his own. Now he will take himself to the bathroom when he needs to poo., and during the fieldtrip last week and this week he wore a pull up (parents requeast) but didn't go in it he held it.

[MN Mom]

I think I'm going to try telling him to go potty and see what happens. I honestly never even thought of that! He is smart enough to put his dirty dishes in the sink and throw his own garbage away, and he will put his shoes on when I ask (even though mom and dad won't let him do it himself yet, they do it for him still). I don't have any pull ups today, only diapers and underwear. I'm going to put some undies on him and try telling him to go and see what happens.

[daycare]

sorry I missed that post.... I have a child here who is 4 and has selected mutism. He only talks at home and NEVER talks at dc..

we just discovered this. Thanks to the form, someone here responded to my post and I was able to talk to the parents about it. They went to the docs and then they took it from there and confirmed it just right before christmas...

just so you know, before even knowing that he had this, I was able to potty train him. He understands, just does not talk when talked to.

[daycare]

I think I'm going to try telling him to go potty and see what happens. I honestly never even thought of that! He is smart enough to put his dirty dishes in the sink and throw his own garbage away, and he will put his shoes on when I ask (even though mom and dad won't let him do it himself yet, they do it for him still). I don't have any pull ups today, only diapers and underwear. I'm going to put some undies on him and try telling him to go and see what happens.

You need to talk to the parents.........he MUST be self sufficient in order to PT..

If he is not, then that is where you need to start.....tell the parents that they need to do this at home with him and continue to help teach him to be able to conduct the process on his own...

here is what I tell the parents where we will start.......

at age 2 or sooner if they are showing signs of readiness..

1. go to the bathroom when told with out being lead
2. pull down pants on own
3. get up on toilet and sit down on own. sign full ABCs
4. Wipe, will assist with this for a while
5. get off of the toilet on own
6. flush the toilet
7. pull up pants
8. wash hands and dry
9. turn off the light
10. repeat

When the kid is doing all of these steps, I stand in the hallway right outside the door. I do not stand in the bathroom, just peep in to see that they are doing what is needed.

If I see them start to get frustrated, cry or struggle then I will step in and ask "do you need help?" I will not do it for them, I will only assist them...

If a child cannot do the steps above, then in my eyes they are not ready. I will not go in and do all of those steps for them....

HOWEVER in some rare ocassions, I have had kids younger than 2 tell me when they need to go, but can't do the above steps,. so we work with them so that they don't regress....

[My3cents]

[ If they have an accident, at this age, they can clean it up on their own too. I hold them accountable for their bodies.



I don't agree with this above- having a child clean up his own urine or poo

They are learning-

[justgettingstarted]

I have read in many threads like this one that many of you providers don't potty train your DCKs, that it has to be done all at home and they must be accident free for weeks before you'll start. I completely understand why this is but I always wonder how on earth a parent could potty train a child when they spend nearly all of their awake time at daycare. I recently PT'd my own DS and if we reverted back to diapers even once for a long outing or for a day at grandparents' house it was like starting all over again! If they are picking up at 5 or later and going home they might not even need to potty before getting a diaper for bedtime so that leaves only the weekends when they are likely running all of their errands. My DCKs are getting to the PT age here and I just sit them on their little potties while I change the younger kids' diapers and always again before nap time or going outside. It doesn't take any more time than changing their diaper and they are able to get used to the idea in anticipation of full potty training. It actually helped my DS because he loved having "potty buddies." It got him to break away from playing more easily. I even stole an idea from a center, we'd start a "potty train" we'd go around the house pretending to be a train then head into "bathroom station" every hour or so. They loved it! It seems a little silly to refuse to help at all. Don't you all want them to be PT'd as soon as possible?

[daycare]

[ If they have an accident, at this age, they can clean it up on their own too. I hold them accountable for their bodies.



I don't agree with this above- having a child clean up his own urine or poo

They are learning-

It's not a punishment... and it is really not a big deal at all.... this is age 3 and 4

It's all about how it is done. If the kids pee, they take off the dirty pull up, put it in the trash, wipe clean and put on a new one. If they poop and it's not a messy one, then they also do as above.

when it happens, we just say let's try to remember to listen to our bodies and go in the toilet. nothing else is said.

why is this wrong????

[familyschoolcare]

[ If they have an accident, at this age, they can clean it up on their own too. I hold them accountable for their bodies.



I don't agree with this above- having a child clean up his own urine or poo

They are learning-

When a child spills a cup of milk do you have them clean it up? When a three old runs into the table causing stuff to fall to the ground do you make them clean it up?

[daycare]

When a child spills a cup of milk do you have them clean it up? When a three old runs into the table causing stuff to fall to the ground do you make them clean it up?

yes... and I never scold them either..... accidents happen we are human and its a fact of life..

If they were running, they would be told to walk........

[Blackcat31]

When a child spills a cup of milk do you have them clean it up? When a three old runs into the table causing stuff to fall to the ground do you make them clean it up?

Not disagreeing or agreeing here but there is a big difference between having a child clean up body fluids vs cleaning up milk....kwim?

Licensing requires us to wear gloves as well as wash our hands and sanitize the area if body fluids are involved. Gloves are not required nor necessary when serving or cleaning up milk.

Just sayin'

[AllDeezBabies]

I have two DCK that are supposedly ready to be potty trained according to their parents. One doesn't even show readiness (I think she put it out there when she say me training my DD) and the other I wasn't even aware they were training her and she doesn't show readiness.

One of my DCK's won't speak. He doesn't speak here at all. Mom and his older sibling says he speaks at home but from visiting their home, his speech is very inaudible, they can't understand him either.

*sigh*

*lurks*

[daycare]

Not disagreeing or agreeing here but there is a big difference between having a child clean up body fluids vs cleaning up milk....kwim?

Licensing requires us to wear gloves as well as wash our hands and sanitize the area if body fluids are involved. Gloves are not required nor necessary when serving or cleaning up milk.

Just sayin'

I guess I should be more clear on this.... I will have the kids clean themselves up if the accident is contained in their pull up. They would not be touching anything but the pull up. If they pee or poop on the floor, well then I would clean that.

again these are kids that are more than able to simply take off a dirty pull up and throw it in the trash.

we are not talking about a blow out that would require adult assistance.