Unvaccinated Child - wwyd?

[SilverSabre25]

This is super outdated information, and it feels unnecessary paranoia.

Thimerosal *was* a preservative used in vaccine serums and yes, it did contain mercury - however - it was used since the 1930's and was certainly nothing new.

That said due to the hype of the autism paranoia it's no longer produced or used in any of the traditional childhood vaccinations.

Repeat - thimerosal is no longer used as a preservative in childhood vaccines.






There is risk in introducing especially live attenuated vaccines, it's plainly stated and parents have to sign off acknowledging those risks. That said, what do you think contracting the actual virus/disease itself will do if a child?

Mortality rates are infinitely higher in comparison to mere reactions from vaccine exposure.

I need a source for your statement that thimerosal is no longer used. AFAIK It is still used in MMR.

[MaritimeMummy]

Awesome post, Willow!

[SilverSabre25]

I will say the pair are hands down some of THE SICKEST kids I've EVER had or even met. They were born healthy and by all accounts should in theory (according to mom) be the healthiest kids in town. Reality though is the one has had a green snotty nose non-stop since he started in February and the other one coughs and hacks her way through every naptime. They've missed multiple days for having ridiculous fevers, flus and various other things that drag them down so hard and fast they don't even want to get out of bed.

I cannot help but assume there is a connection.

If you didn't know their vaccine status, would you have made that "connection?"

Really...are you saying that they are constantly ill with a vaccine-preventable disease? No? Then how on EARTH could be a connection and what is it?????

[Blackcat31]

Mortality rates are infinitely higher in comparison to mere reactions from vaccine exposure.

Japan raised its minimum vaccination age to two years in 1975 the overall infant mortality rate improved to become the best in the world.

I found this info out some years back and thought it was very interesting.

They also have a very low SIDS rate compared to the US and other countries. I have zero clue as to the legitamacy of this info but thought I would throw it out there.....

[Willow]

I need a source for your statement that thimerosal is no longer used. AFAIK It is still used in MMR.

Merck & Co produces two MMR vaccines (M-M-R-II and ProQuad that includes varicela) that are thimerosal free. That can be confirmed on the Tables of recommended vaccines here:

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228

Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine (see Table 1). A preservative-free version of the inactivated influenza vaccine (contains trace amounts of thimerosal) is available in limited supply at this time for use in infants, children and pregnant women. Some vaccines such as Td, which is indicated for older children (≥ 7 years of age) and adults, are also now available in formulations that are free of thimerosal or contain only trace amounts. Vaccines with trace amounts of thimerosal contain 1 microgram or less of mercury per dose.



Yet another source, I have loads if you want more.

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/thimerosal_qa.htm

Since 2001, no new vaccine licensed by FDA for use in children has contained thimerosal as a preservative, and all vaccines routinely recommended by CDC for children under six years of age have been thimerosal-free, or contain only trace amounts, except for multi-dose formulations of influenza vaccine. This was done as a precautionary step and not because there was evidence confirming that thimerosal-containing vaccines were causing health problems. The most recent and rigorous scientific research does not support the hypothesis that thimerosal-containing vaccines are harmful.

[Willow]

If you didn't know their vaccine status, would you have made that "connection?"

Really...are you saying that they are constantly ill with a vaccine-preventable disease? No? Then how on EARTH could be a connection and what is it?????

Being a licensed provider I have to know their vaccine status, not knowing wasn't an option.

If they were kids I just happened to know in life I'd conclude the same, that they are much sicker than most kids I've ever known.


When kids are vaccinated live attenuated viruses especially it challenges the immune system. Across the board I believe those minor challenges boost the immune systems ability to rebound to anything.

It's no different than a parent keeping their child in a bubble and then throwing them into kindergarten and wondering why they're ill as heck all through their elementary school years.

Exposure to ANYTHING infectious builds antibodies.

Less exposure, less work the immune system has had to do, less antibodies, less protection.

More exposure, more work the immune system has had to do, more antibodies, more protection.


It's not at all a far fetched belief, and one that's pretty well rooted in what science and biology specifically has already proven.

[Meyou]

You're right, they *rarely* send notices. Because in my province, your child can not attend public school if they are not vaccinated. Oh, sure, that there are religious exemptions, but here it happens so rarely that a child would attend that isn't vaccinated due to religious exemption that the school would send out a notice. It's never come up. But I promise you, the school would do it.

Actually if you're in Nova Scotia like your location says you are completely wrong. There is no requirement for any vaccination to start school in NS. They recommend a full series but you do not need a medical, religious or any other type of exemption because there are no written rules. I have two children in the public school system in NS and neither are vaccinated. I just refused 13 shots or something like that for my 12 year old that were done in school. I simply had to decline on the permission form. When both of my children started school I wrote, "we do not vaccinate" in the section where you list your vaccinations.

[SilverSabre25]

Being a licensed provider I have to know their vaccine status, not knowing wasn't an option.

If they were kids I just happened to know in life I'd conclude the same, that they are much sicker than most kids I've ever known.


When kids are vaccinated live attenuated viruses especially it challenges the immune system. Across the board I believe those minor challenges boost the immune systems ability to rebound to anything.

It's no different than a parent keeping their child in a bubble and then throwing them into kindergarten and wondering why they're ill as heck all through their elementary school years.

Exposure to ANYTHING infectious builds antibodies.

Less exposure, less work the immune system has had to do, less antibodies, less protection.

More exposure, more work the immune system has had to do, more antibodies, more protection.


It's not at all a far fetched belief, and one that's pretty well rooted in what science and biology specifically has already proven.

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[Willow]

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Just so you know, I won't respond if it's negative in nature.



If you don't use your brain it atrophies.

If you don't use your muscles they become weak.

If you don't use your immune system it's non-existent.


An immune system is only as strong as it's made.


You can disagree with me if you'd like, and I respect your choice to do so, but that's biology 101 as far as I'm concerned and it is my belief.

OP asked for opinions regarding this, I gave mine based on the research I've done for my own children and my own personal experiences. That's all.

[Meyou]

Just so you know, I won't respond if it's negative in nature.



If you don't use your brain it atrophies.

If you don't use your muscles they become weak.

If you don't use your immune system it's non-existent.


An immune system is only as strong as it's made.


You can disagree with me if you'd like, and I respect your choice to do so, but that's biology 101 as far as I'm concerned and it is my belief.

OP asked for opinions regarding this, I gave mine based on the research I've done for my own children and my own personal experiences. That's all.

I'd like to see some of the research if you have links available.

I have never heard of unvaccinated children having less developed immune systems. In fact I've heard the opposite. Most vaccines temporarily suppress the immune system.

[Childminder]

Dang, I ran out of popcorn.

[SilverSabre25]

Just so you know, I won't respond if it's negative in nature.



If you don't use your brain it atrophies.

If you don't use your muscles they become weak.

If you don't use your immune system it's non-existent.


An immune system is only as strong as it's made.


You can disagree with me if you'd like, and I respect your choice to do so, but that's biology 101 as far as I'm concerned and it is my belief.

OP asked for opinions regarding this, I gave mine based on the research I've done for my own children and my own personal experiences. That's all.

*sigh* I'm not being negative, I promise...just not wanting to derail the thread further.

Just saying that here so no one thinks I'm being unpleasant or something :P

[Willow]

I'd like to see some of the research if you have links available.

I have never heard of unvaccinated children having less developed immune systems. In fact I've heard the opposite. Most vaccines temporarily suppress the immune system.

The key word there is "temporarily"

What do you think then happens afterward?

Do you believe the vaccines have NO positive effect on the body? That they don't protect against disease/illness at all?

Do you believe a newborn is born with a perfectly formed and finely tuned immune system or do you believe it has to mature?

If you believe it has to mature what do you think matures it?

If you believe antibodies mature it (as vaccines contain) then why would unvaccinated children have more of a developed immune system when they have less exposure to that which build's it?

Genuine questions, I hope they read that way

I'll rustle you up some links, hang on....

[Blackcat31]

I'd like to see some of the research if you have links available.

I have never heard of unvaccinated children having less developed immune systems. In fact I've heard the opposite. Most vaccines temporarily suppress the immune system.

According to Dr Dave Mihalovic, a naturopathic doctor who specializes in vaccine research:

"The emerging generation of unvaccinated children will be among the healthiest in the world"

http://deretornoacasa.wordpress.com/2012/05/06/the-healthiest-children-in-the-future-will-be-unvaccinated/

From everything I have read (not just this thread but other info too) vaccinating our children is a personal choice and depending on which side of the fence you are on, the research you believe and choose to take as real is also a choice.

Obviously if you are pro-vax, then it isn't too hard to find evidence/reasearch that supports your choice, just as there is plenty of evidence/research to the polar opposite.

I think whether a child is vaccinated or not should be up to the parent and the parent should also assume the responsibilty of educating themselves in any manner they should feel appropriate and not simply let others lead them or be part of the mainstream group just because it is the "in" thing to do.

Find the right thing for YOU and YOUR children and do what YOU feel is necessary.

[Meyou]

Great article!

I agree, Blackcat. As a former vaccinating parent that now chooses to not vaccinate at all it IS easy to find research to support either argument. You have to be very careful what you're reading and where you're reading it. You're much better off looking for real studies and scientific sources.

That's why I'm interested in Willow's links. I can never have too much info. Who knows? I might change my mind again.