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  • Crystal
    Advanced Daycare.com Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 4002

    Disturbing:Psychopath Children

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  • Blackcat31
    • Oct 2010
    • 36124

    #2
    OMG!

    How absolutely chilling! I also have to say that I really honestly feel I have had this type of child in care before. I knew from a very early age and had all sorts of "signs" presented to me.

    I never acted on them and even denied a few of them. I never would have approached his mother and said "Gee, I think your kid shows some psychopathic tendancies" but in my heart of hearts I know he did.

    Fast forward several years and he is definitely on the path to doing some real damage.....I also feel it won't be long before he unfortunately becomes a resident of our state's penal system.

    In hindsight, I wonder if I had said something, would it have changed his path or would anyone have really listened?

    VERY interesting article. Thanks for sharing.

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    • Crystal
      Advanced Daycare.com Member
      • Dec 2009
      • 4002

      #3
      I had a child like this in my care as well. At two years old he would choke kids, threw his infant brother on the floor on several occasions (not here) pushed him down stairs as he got older, and all kinds of "little" things here that he seemingly took great pleasure in. I referred him to a child psychologist, and the parents were told that it wasn't the child, it was their parenting, and were sent to parenting classes. While they did lack some basic skills, I found it very unfair to them, because it made them feel like they were bad parents, when in reality they had a child with "issues" I also found it unfair to the child, as he never recieved the help he needed. He finally left my program last year, at age 7.....I have heard from Mom about how horribly he is doing and it frightens me....for them AND for society.

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      • sharlan
        Daycare.com Member
        • May 2011
        • 6067

        #4
        I'm sure I had one of those. I'm very curious as to what she is like today at 20. We left on bad terms so I'm sure I'll never know.

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        • Crystal
          Advanced Daycare.com Member
          • Dec 2009
          • 4002

          #5
          Originally posted by sharlan
          I'm sure I had one of those. I'm very curious as to what she is like today at 20. We left on bad terms so I'm sure I'll never know.
          Look her up on facebook

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          • Unregistered

            #6
            My mother had a boy just like that in her care.His mother abandoned him when he was 1.
            He was raised by his father and girlfriend,they were both abusive. When he was 5 he and his father were in a car/train accident.His father literally died in front of him while they were trying to resue them.This kid was a mess. The mother claimed she had her life together so he was returned to her after living in several foster homes. By the time my mother enrolled him this kid was beyond help.Even after intensive therapy he never did recover.
            He knew his mother left him when he was a baby and hated her,when he was almost a teenager he killed her,the stepfather and his baby sister.Set the house on fire and sat outside and watched it burn. The most disturbing child I have ever met.His eyes were almost black,empty and showed no emotion.
            My mom did not know all this until he told her one day when she was making lunch-
            "I'm waiting for you to set that knife down so I can stab you with it!"
            Disturbing to say the least.So sad!
            I was amazed that she could recall something that happened when she was 1 in the video.I always thought if you"saved" them early enough there was hope.
            I guess that's not always the case

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            • SunshineMama
              Advanced Daycare.com Member
              • Jan 2012
              • 1575

              #7
              That was a very informative, yet disturbing article. It is a good reminder about how important of a job we as providers have to provide the best environment that we can for these innocent littles. We can't save them all but we can do our best when we can.

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              • B Lou
                Daycare.com Member
                • Jan 2011
                • 189

                #8
                I watched the whole documentary and have to say I have a Godchild that is almost identical to that little girl Beth. He is now 13 years old and is in a center for troubled children. It is a very sad story. My friend and her husband adopted him at the age of 6. He too had been very abused as a small baby until he was removed from his birth parents.
                He attacked his adopted mother several times and then onto a teacher. Which is why he is where he is.
                I feel so very bad for him. I love him so much. But don't know how to help.
                After watching this documentary maybe he would do good in a private home with someone who has special training as this lady in the documentary did.
                This parents(adopted, I hate that title) were even told at one point that he(child) would NEVER learn to love. I disagree with that statement.
                Any way thank you for sharing this story. It has put new ideas in my mind which I will share with my friend.
                Thank you.

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                • angelicpretty
                  New Daycare.com Member
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 19

                  #9
                  Yes. Absolutely yes a child can be a psychopath.

                  Not all cases are as a result of abuse or bad parenting-sometimes a child is simply born that way. The brain is tricky and impossible to understand.

                  I have experienced a child like this first hand and its a heartbreaking and truly scary thing.

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                  • sharlan
                    Daycare.com Member
                    • May 2011
                    • 6067

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Crystal
                    Look her up on facebook
                    She's not listed but her mom is. She has it set for private so I can't read anything.

                    This child never had remorse for anything. Everything was "an accident". I had to account for every single scrape and bruise. There was no point in trying to tell the parents anything because they always had an exuse. Their pediatrician had some really wacked out ideas. I was sooooooooo happy when they left after 5 years.

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                    • lovinkidsinchelsea
                      New Daycare.com Member
                      • May 2012
                      • 2

                      #11
                      psycho kids

                      only had to discharge one troubled kid so farhttps://www.daycare.com/forum/images/smilies/happy.giflovethis

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                      • cheerfuldom
                        Advanced Daycare.com Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 7413

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered
                        My mother had a boy just like that in her care.His mother abandoned him when he was 1.
                        He was raised by his father and girlfriend,they were both abusive. When he was 5 he and his father were in a car/train accident.His father literally died in front of him while they were trying to resue them.This kid was a mess. The mother claimed she had her life together so he was returned to her after living in several foster homes. By the time my mother enrolled him this kid was beyond help.Even after intensive therapy he never did recover.
                        He knew his mother left him when he was a baby and hated her,when he was almost a teenager he killed her,the stepfather and his baby sister.Set the house on fire and sat outside and watched it burn. The most disturbing child I have ever met.His eyes were almost black,empty and showed no emotion.
                        My mom did not know all this until he told her one day when she was making lunch-
                        "I'm waiting for you to set that knife down so I can stab you with it!"
                        Disturbing to say the least.So sad!
                        I was amazed that she could recall something that happened when she was 1 in the video.I always thought if you"saved" them early enough there was hope.
                        I guess that's not always the case
                        There are numerous amazing (but heartbreaking at times) studies in regard to bonding and attaching socially, especially to parents, at a young age. I haven't read the article yet but I do know that the bond created in early babyhood is essentially to a well balanced child. I know this is a huge concern for child that are adopted later in baby or childhood, children in orphanages or institutions and that sort of thing. When you don't have a healthy connection to others, it would make sense that you wouldnt care what happens to them, or worse, want to harm them yourself.

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                        • Meeko
                          Advanced Daycare.com Member
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 4349

                          #13
                          As the mother of a 30 year old sociopath, I find these articles interesting. One thing to be informed of ...is the differences between psychopaths and sociopaths. The two are often confused and lumped together.

                          For the most part, psychopath's are unable to maintain "normal" relationships, and live on the fringe of society.... whereas a sociopath is very clever at maintaining the appearance of normality. Psychopathic behavior is most often erratic whereas sociopathic behavior is precisely controlled. Sociopathic behavior is usually harder to diagnose because of this.

                          You probably know at least one sociopath and have no idea! If you have a met a psychopath...you probably are very aware that they are not normal.

                          Children's behavior can be difficult to diagnose when mixed with natural growing up behavior too.


                          Characteristics of a sociopath are as followed :

                          1. Sociopaths are very charming.
                          2. Sociopaths can be extremely manipulative and will try to con you whenever possible.
                          3. Sociopaths feel that they are entitled to everything.
                          4. Sociopaths will lie continuously to get what they want. They can even sometimes manipulate a lie detector.
                          5. Sociopaths have no remorse, shame or guilt.
                          6. Sociopaths will show love and happiness only when it serves their purpose. None of the feelings are genuine.
                          7. Sociopaths have no room for love in their life.
                          8. Sociopaths need to have excitement in their lives or live on the edge.
                          9. Sociopaths have lack of empathy hen their victims suffer pain that they have caused.
                          10. Sociopaths believe that they are all mightier than tho, there is no concern on how their behavior impacts others.
                          11. Sociopaths usually have a long history of juvenile delinquency as well as behavior problems.
                          12. Sociopaths will never take blame for anything they have done to anyone no matter if it is family or friend.
                          13. Sociopaths have many sexual partners and tend to act out many sexual acts.
                          14. Sociopaths rarely stay in one place for a long time (home/work).
                          15. Sociopaths will change themselves if they know it will keep them from being found out.

                          Characteristics of a psychopath are as followed:

                          1. Psychopaths use superficial charm to lure their victims.
                          2. Psychopaths are extremely self-centered.
                          3. Psychopaths must always do something to keep themselves from boredom.
                          4. Psychopaths are very deceptive and tend to lie continuously.
                          5. Psychopaths show no remorse of guilt towards their victims.
                          6. Psychopaths are very predatory and usually will live off other people.
                          7. Psychopaths have many sexual partners in their lifetime.
                          8. Psychopaths are very impulsive with their lifestyle.
                          9. Psychopaths are always blaming other people for their actions.
                          10. Psychopaths never have a realistic view of their lives. (king of the world or from another planet)
                          11. Psychopaths always want psychological gratification in sexual and criminal activities.
                          12. Psychopaths tend to try suicide, rarely succeeding.

                          As you can see, some traits are similar, other are not.

                          But both should not be taken lightly. Both are dangerous. One more physically and one more mentally.

                          The article in the original post is mainly about children who's psychopathy is triggered by abuse.

                          If you have children in your care who display either psychotic or sociopathic tendencies........do not automatically assume they are abused. In fact, feel most empathy for their families who ARE being abused. It took me many, many years to acknowledge that I cannot help my son. That it's not my fault. That he simply does not...CANNOT......feel any remorse for his behavior. He does not care. He never will.

                          My focus has to be on the rest of our family. The three children I have left who are kind and generous and loving. They love their big brother, but have learned they are better off without him.

                          Parents of mentally disturbed children have a life-long sentence of emotional turmoil that their children will never feel. It's a cruel twist.

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                          • littlemissmuffet
                            Advanced Daycare.com Member
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 2194

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Blackcat31
                            OMG!

                            How absolutely chilling! I also have to say that I really honestly feel I have had this type of child in care before. I knew from a very early age and had all sorts of "signs" presented to me.

                            I never acted on them and even denied a few of them. I never would have approached his mother and said "Gee, I think your kid shows some psychopathic tendancies" but in my heart of hearts I know he did.

                            Fast forward several years and he is definitely on the path to doing some real damage.....I also feel it won't be long before he unfortunately becomes a resident of our state's penal system.

                            In hindsight, I wonder if I had said something, would it have changed his path or would anyone have really listened?

                            VERY interesting article. Thanks for sharing.
                            True sociopaths are BORN sociopaths... and there is NOTHING anyone can say or do to correct them. Sociopaths/psychopaths fail to feel guilt... there is no treatment, therapy or medication that will ever change this. Some life-long therapies and life-long medical treatments can help violent outbursts and help to minimize criminal behaviour but at the end of the day if a person does not have a conscience they are MUCH more likely to commit various crimes and damage throughout their lifetime. Benign psycho/sociopaths do exist, but they too tend to cause relationship and family damage.

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                            • Meeko
                              Advanced Daycare.com Member
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 4349

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Meeko
                              As the mother of a 30 year old sociopath, I find these articles interesting. One thing to be informed of ...is the differences between psychopaths and sociopaths. The two are often confused and lumped together.

                              For the most part, psychopath's are unable to maintain "normal" relationships, and live on the fringe of society.... whereas a sociopath is very clever at maintaining the appearance of normality. Psychopathic behavior is most often erratic whereas sociopathic behavior is precisely controlled. Sociopathic behavior is usually harder to diagnose because of this.

                              You probably know at least one sociopath and have no idea! If you have a met a psychopath...you probably are very aware that they are not normal.

                              Children's behavior can be difficult to diagnose when mixed with natural growing up behavior too.


                              Characteristics of a sociopath are as followed :

                              1. Sociopaths are very charming.
                              2. Sociopaths can be extremely manipulative and will try to con you whenever possible.
                              3. Sociopaths feel that they are entitled to everything.
                              4. Sociopaths will lie continuously to get what they want. They can even sometimes manipulate a lie detector.
                              5. Sociopaths have no remorse, shame or guilt.
                              6. Sociopaths will show love and happiness only when it serves their purpose. None of the feelings are genuine.
                              7. Sociopaths have no room for love in their life.
                              8. Sociopaths need to have excitement in their lives or live on the edge.
                              9. Sociopaths have lack of empathy hen their victims suffer pain that they have caused.
                              10. Sociopaths believe that they are all mightier than tho, there is no concern on how their behavior impacts others.
                              11. Sociopaths usually have a long history of juvenile delinquency as well as behavior problems.
                              12. Sociopaths will never take blame for anything they have done to anyone no matter if it is family or friend.
                              13. Sociopaths have many sexual partners and tend to act out many sexual acts.
                              14. Sociopaths rarely stay in one place for a long time (home/work).
                              15. Sociopaths will change themselves if they know it will keep them from being found out.

                              Characteristics of a psychopath are as followed:

                              1. Psychopaths use superficial charm to lure their victims.
                              2. Psychopaths are extremely self-centered.
                              3. Psychopaths must always do something to keep themselves from boredom.
                              4. Psychopaths are very deceptive and tend to lie continuously.
                              5. Psychopaths show no remorse of guilt towards their victims.
                              6. Psychopaths are very predatory and usually will live off other people.
                              7. Psychopaths have many sexual partners in their lifetime.
                              8. Psychopaths are very impulsive with their lifestyle.
                              9. Psychopaths are always blaming other people for their actions.
                              10. Psychopaths never have a realistic view of their lives. (king of the world or from another planet)
                              11. Psychopaths always want psychological gratification in sexual and criminal activities.
                              12. Psychopaths tend to try suicide, rarely succeeding.

                              As you can see, some traits are similar, other are not.

                              But both should not be taken lightly. Both are dangerous. One more physically and one more mentally.

                              The article in the original post is mainly about children who's psychopathy is triggered by abuse.

                              If you have children in your care who display either psychotic or sociopathic tendencies........do not automatically assume they are abused. In fact, feel most empathy for their families who ARE being abused. It took me many, many years to acknowledge that I cannot help my son. That it's not my fault. That he simply does not...CANNOT......feel any remorse for his behavior. He does not care. He never will.

                              My focus has to be on the rest of our family. The three children I have left who are kind and generous and loving. They love their big brother, but have learned they are better off without him.

                              Parents of mentally disturbed children have a life-long sentence of emotional turmoil that their children will never feel. It's a cruel twist.
                              OK...now I'm bawling.........but it sometimes helps to let it out.

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