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  • frugalmama4
    Daycare.com Member
    • Jan 2012
    • 470

    I Really Need Advice…Husband Vent Pls Help!

    Good Morning, so sorry to dump this on a Monday morning, I really don’t have anywhere else to unload! Love this forum

    Back History-
    Hubby and I have been married for a little of four years together for six with four awesome kids. He’s in his late 20’s I’m early 30’s. He’s the youngest in his family and IMO he’s all ways trying to prove him self to his family (mom, dad, brother’s, uncle etc.). I’m the oldest in my family and can give a rat’s @$% what my family thinks of me…really! I do love my family…but I have learned I’m my own person and my family (hubby/kids) is what matters.

    Financial History-

    We have prayed and worked so hard the last three years to be able to purchase our FIRST home. I’m talking living with family (lasted all over four months) with just one room to spare for five people. Moving into a one bed/bath room apartment with 6 people and one doggy for a year; but our dream came to pass last summer we have been in our home now for 7 months. Now we have always talked about ways I would be able to stay home with our kid’s full time once we purchased the home (with daycare being the first choice) The ideal was to give it a year after readjusting financially, however things happen much faster then that. After returning to work from maternity leave I was miserable just unhappy with everything. I was only spending about a totally of 15 hours a week with my children with the move my commute time was longer. So we both agreed that I should really look into how I could stay home full time (daycare was the only logical option). So off we went with planning & training and I tell you my first three DC families were sent by God.

    The Split-

    So I have quit my 9-5 and begun daycare immediately now there are so many things I’m learning about running a business (up-keep/time/supplies etc.) I was able to start up with as little out of pocket as possible. I received a lot of things from friends/family and shopping garage sales. But know that I’m making money from the DC its only natural to put back into it right? So with the reimbursement checks from the food program I’m able to purchase those things I would normally not be able to (the income from the dcf’s is replacing the 9-5 I left) but not by much! So I treat the food program funds as bonuses I do not count it as part of my monthly income when doing the budget (same as I would do for child support). But yes I have had to cover bills with these funds as well. I have also been using the food program funds to purchase things for the house and honestly this would not be possible without the FP even if I was still working a 9-5…we would not be able to afford things a house requires for up-keep/comfort etc.

    Now lets back up a bit, prior to us purchasing our home the hubby starts a business venture of his own WITH OUT ME mind you…yes I’m hurt by this. He thought it would be better to involve his friends “people I do not like” and yes they now it! I find out on accident (over heard a phone conv) and his step-mom told me “she’s a bit nosing”. So then the truth comes out from him “yeah I got a business my business is sport training” me and *** friend I don’t like are during it together. Well I’m sure you know how this conversation went. Know I have never never never in all the years of our relationship heard this man talk about starting a sports training business never. He has always been into sports coaching my son’s football/soccer team and so on.

    Fast forward to the present-

    So after many many many conversations about this, he now realize that I’m the only real partner he has in life PERIOD not his Dad/Mom/friends will NOT be there for him as I wIll…point blank. He’s now trying to involve me into this venture kool but honestly I’m so over it…don’t really won’t anything to do with b/c of the way it started off and how long it took him to involve me and I honestly don’t see the value it would add to our family. My income from the daycare is still needed at a 100% for the family so that means I’m taking families I rather not/working hours I rather not and so on. My pray is that we can live on one income and the DC would just be a perk, I then would be able to pick and choose my families and hours.

    The issue-

    After getting himself a DBA #/business cards/shirts/flies & working out with a few kids from the neighborhood “not making any money” hubby realized oh I need to be non-profit ($400 fee) in order to advertise in side the schools and so I can rent out the school gym I need insurance another ($300) really? Ok, so I told him any overtime he works he can take and put towards this (that lasted about a week) then he was back at trying to dump the savings account. Take note-we don’t have a real savings account at this time, yes we have funds saved but by no means is it an true emergency fund! On top of this I’m loosing a kid this month ($560) gone, and he just started a new job (oh, did I not mention he got FIRED in January for something stupid from a company he’s been with for four years. So my position on all this is right know it’s not really feasible for us “him” to start another business year one of the DC starting up and the purchase of our first home. Yes you guessed it I’m the planner…I feel as though if I didn’t stay on top of things nothing would get done…nothing.

    Questions I brought to him-

    1) Who will bring our children to there activities if I have dck’s here and you’re off training some one? His answer oh, I just won’t schedule anyone when our kids have something to do. We have four kids dude someone will always have something going on.
    2) How will this be profitable if your working a Mon-Fir 5am-3pm job getting home at 4:30 only to change cloths and then off to train? When will you see your kids/me take care of house stuff? His answer oh I will only train on the weekends uhmm that ant going work dude.
    3) How do you plan on replacing the funds you take from savings? His answer well come this summer I will have a lot more business so I can. Me, I don’t see it happening this way you take $700 from the savings and let’s say you get some kids who want to work out, now you have to rent a space buy equipment pay your friend to help. No profit!


    My Position-
    1) I’m focus on getting out of debt about $30,000 not including the house.
    2) Getting a bigger vehicle, we have a Toyota Rva4 for six people with two car seats it ant working.
    3) Setting up an emergency fund.
    4) College savings
    5) Fixing up our house, how I lone for a real bed room set “ never had one that matches”
    6) Fixing up the kids rooms

    Super sorry for the long post this morning, but I really needed to get this out! Please any in sight/advice wisdom is much needed. Help!
  • itlw8
    Daycare.com Member
    • Jan 2012
    • 2199

    #2
    My Position-
    1) I’m focus on getting out of debt about $30,000 not including the house.


    this needs to come first. your food program checks need to go to this not stuff for the house.

    2) Getting a bigger vehicle, we have a Toyota Rva4 for six people with two car seats it ant working.

    can you sell it and buy an older but bigger vehicle. remember bigger uses more gas so allow for that added cost.

    3) Setting up an emergency fund.

    this needs to go 1st. you need minimum a baby emergency fund of $1000 then work towards 8 months expenses... But snowball that debt first.

    4) College savings important but kids can work for school and with that many kids they should get grants.

    5) Fixing up our house, how I lone for a real bed room set “ never had one that matches” This is a want it needs to be after debts

    6) Fixing up the kids rooms a can of paint does not cost that much. the rest is a want not a need.

    should he empty the savings??? I would say no....


    the kids activities... well it will be ones that are after hours for you as he will be working a second job. or they will have to not do any sports. many children do not do sports because the parents can not afford them or have to work

    sounds like you need a sit down discussion together and one with the kids to decide what is important in your family.

    It is sad if the reason your children can not do activites is because he is working with other children.
    It:: will wait

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    • AmyLeigh
      Daycare.com Member
      • Oct 2011
      • 868

      #3
      Dave Ramsey's Financial Peace University....for BOTH of you.

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      • MizzCheryl
        Advanced Daycare.com Member
        • Mar 2012
        • 478

        #4
        How can you support a busines scheme that was set up behind your back. I was married to a man that did things behind my back. He accumulated a ton of debt. A TON!
        $30,000.00
        itlw8 is so right. That food check should pay off your debt.
        Hubby needs to get a job. Sorry, I know it ****s but we all have to work.
        My x racked up tons of debt and would not work. He was sick everyday he was schedules to work and well enough to ride the roads and spend credit any day he wasn't scheduled to work.

        Good luck. I know it is frustrating but if he was not open and honest about the way the business was started how are you to believe he will be honest about any money he is bringing in or spending, how many clients he has, what hours he is really working ect....
        Not Clueless anymore

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        • Ariana
          Advanced Daycare.com Member
          • Jun 2011
          • 8969

          #5
          It doesn't sound like much of a partnership IMO. I really think you need to focus on being a bit more compromising. You quit your job so you could stay home (which is what you wanted) and now it seems like you now want it to be a perk job instead of relying on your income? You can't have it all and expect your husband to bend to your every whim. What if it's his dream to start his own business? Why aren't you supportve of that?

          New vehicle, new house, fixing up the house and getting anew bedroom set are all EXTRAS that you can't afford right now. You are in debt. My husband and I together make a LOT of money and we drive a very small inexpensive car. I'd LOVE to get something better but we just can't afford it right now. You need to sacrifice something.

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          • Mary Poppins
            Daycare.com Member
            • Jan 2012
            • 403

            #6
            Originally posted by AmyLeigh
            Dave Ramsey's Financial Peace University....for BOTH of you.
            YESSSSSSS. We've been following his advice for years and he is a genius. We aren't 100% debt free but very close. Our house will be paid off in a few years and we did splurge with a car payment after years and years without one.

            It takes a ton of discipline though but once we started snowballing our debt it became very easy to do.

            Rice and beans FTW .

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            • cheerfuldom
              Advanced Daycare.com Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 7413

              #7
              We do Dave Ramsey too and have not had any major money fights since we started....money was one of the main things we used to fight over. Getting on the same page money-wise helps you get in line with many other decisions as well.

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              • frugalmama4
                Daycare.com Member
                • Jan 2012
                • 470

                #8
                Originally posted by itlw8
                My Position-
                1) I’m focus on getting out of debt about $30,000 not including the house.


                this needs to come first. your food program checks need to go to this not stuff for the house.

                2) Getting a bigger vehicle, we have a Toyota Rva4 for six people with two car seats it ant working.

                can you sell it and buy an older but bigger vehicle. remember bigger uses more gas so allow for that added cost.

                3) Setting up an emergency fund.

                this needs to go 1st. you need minimum a baby emergency fund of $1000 then work towards 8 months expenses... But snowball that debt first.

                4) College savings important but kids can work for school and with that many kids they should get grants.

                5) Fixing up our house, how I lone for a real bed room set “ never had one that matches” This is a want it needs to be after debts

                6) Fixing up the kids rooms a can of paint does not cost that much. the rest is a want not a need. Yes, that's the plan paint bedding but hubby frowns up at the ideal b/c he's thinking the money should go to his business.

                should he empty the savings??? I would say no....


                the kids activities... well it will be ones that are after hours for you as he will be working a second job. or they will have to not do any sports. many children do not do sports because the parents can not afford them or have to work But one of the reasoning for me to stay home and do daycare is so my kids can do some things, and not be paying daycare ourselves.

                sounds like you need a sit down discussion together and one with the kids to decide what is important in your family. Totally

                It is sad if the reason your children can not do activites is because he is working with other children.
                Yes, and it would be the reason b/c he's doing what he wants to.

                My responses are in red under yours...thanks for the advice.
                Ilw8, I agree with you a 100% on your responses. And sorry I should have been a little clearer with my list, it was in no particular order but yes getting out of debt is number one.

                1) I’m focus on getting out of debt about $30,000 not including the house.


                this needs to come first. your food program checks need to go to this not stuff for the house. Well things I have bought for the house are (ceiling fans/ladder/ air filter/blinds/security lights/water hose/stuff like this.

                2) Getting a bigger vehicle, we have a Toyota Rva4 for six people with two car seats it ant working.

                can you sell it and buy an older but bigger vehicle. remember bigger uses more gas so allow for that added cost. I'm looking into several options my hubby has an older car paid off...but runs like hell and with his new job he travels 30plus miles a day..not included what he will be doing with his business.

                3) Setting up an emergency fund.

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                • Mary Poppins
                  Daycare.com Member
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 403

                  #9
                  Originally posted by cheerfuldom
                  We do Dave Ramsey too and have not had any major money fights since we started....money was one of the main things we used to fight over. Getting on the same page money-wise helps you get in line with many other decisions as well.
                  Totally agree! I wish we would've started using his methods from the beginning. We were young and sooo stupid about money and debt, like so many people are. And we had NO ONE in our families who actually guided us. They just condemned us when we made mistakes which only made things worse. Our marriage nearly ended more than once over money.

                  Now, we've been married for going on 21 years and never fight over money.

                  We do, however, fight over who gets to drive MY (ahem!) new car. ::

                  Dave Ramsey is my hero. Honestly.

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                  • frugalmama4
                    Daycare.com Member
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 470

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Ariana
                    It doesn't sound like much of a partnership IMO. I really think you need to focus on being a bit more compromising. You quit your job so you could stay home (which is what you wanted) and now it seems like you now want it to be a perk job instead of relying on your income? You can't have it all and expect your husband to bend to your every whim. What if it's his dream to start his own business? Why aren't you supportve of that?

                    New vehicle, new house, fixing up the house and getting anew bedroom set are all EXTRAS that you can't afford right now. You are in debt. My husband and I together make a LOT of money and we drive a very small inexpensive car. I'd LOVE to get something better but we just can't afford it right now. You need to sacrifice something.
                    No mama, I quit my job for my family! I'm sure you can understand having to parents working full time out side of the home is hard with any number of kid's 1 or 4. Who doesn't want a perk job? I want my family to be able to live off one income at some point in life. I'm sure you can understand with running any type of business when your the only employee (daycare provider) your income can go from $3000 a month to $300 a month in zero seconds flat! I would rather the daycare income be a perk for my family. I love the children in my care but love mine MORE! Like I said before in the six years we have been together this man has NEVER said anything about starting his on business Hell I had to force him to take up a trade in school. We both agreed that I should stay home with our children "by no means was it a dream of mine to be a
                    self employed daycare provider" but, yes I have always talked about owning a daycare center "something that I did not have to show up for at 6:00am every morning"

                    I'm very supportive of my husband when it makes sense for everyone...IMO this does not. I have ask him to get back into coaching some type of sports...but that's a no go for him.

                    New Vehicle- If we don't get something before my baby moves in to a big boy car seat, we'll be riding the bus oh wait that ant going work...no public bus in this are.

                    Thank you for you in sight!

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                    • frugalmama4
                      Daycare.com Member
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 470

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Clueless
                      How can you support a busines scheme that was set up behind your back. I was married to a man that did things behind my back. He accumulated a ton of debt. A TON!
                      $30,000.00
                      itlw8 is so right. That food check should pay off your debt.
                      Hubby needs to get a job. Sorry, I know it ****s but we all have to work.
                      My x racked up tons of debt and would not work. He was sick everyday he was schedules to work and well enough to ride the roads and spend credit any day he wasn't scheduled to work.

                      Good luck. I know it is frustrating but if he was not open and honest about the way the business was started how are you to believe he will be honest about any money he is bringing in or spending, how many clients he has, what hours he is really working ect....
                      Thanks for the feed back,

                      This is how I feel about it...it was be hide my back! We have a lot of issues with trust. Honestly I don't trust him with a lot of things.

                      Still working this stuff out day by day with the pastor. Will being this business thing up next meeting...it gotta be addressed!

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                      • Ariana
                        Advanced Daycare.com Member
                        • Jun 2011
                        • 8969

                        #12
                        Originally posted by frugalmama4
                        No mama, I quit my job for my family! I'm sure you can understand having to parents working full time out side of the home is hard with any number of kid's 1 or 4. Who doesn't want a perk job? I want my family to be able to live off one income at some point in life. I'm sure you can understand with running any type of business when your the only employee (daycare provider) your income can go from $3000 a month to $300 a month in zero seconds flat! I would rather the daycare income be a perk for my family. I love the children in my care but love mine MORE! Like I said before in the six years we have been together this man has NEVER said anything about starting his on business Hell I had to force him to take up a trade in school. We both agreed that I should stay home with our children "by no means was it a dream of mine to be a
                        self employed daycare provider" but, yes I have always talked about owning a daycare center "something that I did not have to show up for at 6:00am every morning"

                        I'm very supportive of my husband when it makes sense for everyone...IMO this does not. I have ask him to get back into coaching some type of sports...but that's a no go for him.

                        New Vehicle- If we don't get something before my baby moves in to a big boy car seat, we'll be riding the bus oh wait that ant going work...no public bus in this are.

                        Thank you for you in sight!
                        Right now me staying at home and the $$ I make is a "perk". We survived on my DH's income for a few months BEFORE I quit to stay at home just to see if it would work. I didn't quit and stay at home and THEN see if it would work. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you've written but it sounds as though you need to take some accountability. I don't mean to sound rude but did you think about all of this before you decided to have another child? If the Rav4 wasn't going to work did you know that beforehand?

                        Does your husband work at all?

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                        • itlw8
                          Daycare.com Member
                          • Jan 2012
                          • 2199

                          #13
                          I wish we had listened to financial advise when we were young it was offered but we knew it all LOL so in our 50's we are paying off debts also...

                          Family childcare has been a good income for me but yes I had problems getting kids places. Luckily I had friends with kids in the same activites and they transported for me... I did them other favors to make up for it.

                          Hope you can dh on board with the planning as that is the real solution.... yeah that works as good as them picking up their dirty socks.
                          It:: will wait

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                          • frugalmama4
                            Daycare.com Member
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 470

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Ariana
                            Right now me staying at home and the $$ I make is a "perk". We survived on my DH's income for a few months BEFORE I quit to stay at home just to see if it would work. I didn't quit and stay at home and THEN see if it would work. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you've written but it sounds as though you need to take some accountability. I don't mean to sound rude but did you think about all of this before you decided to have another child? If the Rav4 wasn't going to work did you know that beforehand?

                            Does your husband work at all?
                            Yes my hubby works full time out side of the home.

                            We had a chevy 1500 before selling and getting the Rav4 (we down graded then in order to pay off miscellaneous debt and save for the house. Yes, my last child came during the saving process and he was planned! The Rav4 is find for now, my child are not that big however they will grow! Buy all means if its poring down raining (like it did this morning) my kids are walking in the rain to catch the school bus b/c I can't load everyone in the RAV4, Yes I have a neighbor who will drop my kids to school for me...but today was that day she asked me to get her kid off to the bus stop!

                            When we down graded the from Chev it was planned after we get into the house we would take care of a few other bills and then look into getting a bigger vehicle hoping to buy in CASH!

                            Buy no means could we survive on my husband NEW income as I stated he was FIRED in January, and that just add's to the drama around here. Yes, with his previous job we could have did it with me only taking in 1 or 2 kids to put towards debt/savings. It would have been rough but feasible!

                            Thank you.

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                            • Sprouts
                              Licensed Provider
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 846

                              #15
                              Originally posted by AmyLeigh
                              Dave Ramsey's Financial Peace University....for BOTH of you.



                              Don't waste another minute, this will help give ur husband a wake up call and hopefully realize family comes first

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