Not Vaccinated??

[Meyou]

I've also had mumps even though I'm fully vaccinated. So has my ex-dh and my sister and one of my dd's (who was up to date at the time although we've since stopped vaccinating). We were lied to by public health and I had to threaten media coverage to get "permission" for my healthy dd to go to school despite her lack of symptoms and fully vaccinated little body. They were reporting the outbreak as entirely within the university student community with no children or adults at risk what-so-ever which was a lie as my face was swollen to twice it's normal size at the time. We were quarantined to our home and they called several times per day checking to see if we were there.

At that point the coverup outweighed any possible benefit we could receive from vaccines. I'll never trust them again after how we were treated like diseased criminals.

[Angelwings36]

My son has all his vaccinations but since then I have learned a lot of things about vaccinations that makes me think twice about them. I'm not too sure if I would vaccinate any future child or not. I also live in Canada and by law we are not required to be licensed (same ratio of children to provider for both licensed and unlicensed providers too, LESS HASSLE!). I don't even ask about vaccinations. If a child wasn't vaccinated I would still accept them into my care.

[Crystal]

Yep! I didn't bring it up, they brought it up to me. That's why I kind of think they are "fishing" for drama..

How did they know another child is not vaccinated? :confused:

[Soupyszoo]

How did they know another child is not vaccinated? :confused:

Everyone is friends... On Facebook and at drop off and pick up they all talk... I'm not sure exactly how they got the idea but it was the first thing I opened my door to this morning . Two of the moms got into it the other day about controversial stuff (parenting styles etc..) and the next thing you know this comes up. So I'm assuming it's a way to "get back at" the other for her views that the other doesn't agree with. By threatening me to take dcb out if unvaccinated dcg doesn't leave, to me is trying to get her in "trouble". I told her this morning that if dcb is vaccinated that she didn't have anything to worry about. Then she told me it was more her husband that was upset... Sounds like a vendetta to me.

[Crystal]

Everyone is friends... On Facebook and at drop off and pick up they all talk... I'm not sure exactly how they got the idea but it was the first thing I opened my door to this morning . Two of the moms got into it the other day about controversial stuff (parenting styles etc..) and the next thing you know this comes up. So I'm assuming it's a way to "get back at" the other for her views that the other doesn't agree with. By threatening me to take dcb out if unvaccinated dcg doesn't leave, to me is trying to get her in "trouble". I told her this morning that if dcb is vaccinated that she didn't have anything to worry about. Then she told me it was more her husband that was upset... Sounds like a vendetta to me.

Ooohhhh....I wouldn't like that at all. I wouldn't take too kindly to the threat of removing her child based on someone else's parenting style and would let her know that if she chooses to leave you understand. then I'd move on. I wouldn't discuss it with her any further....

[Snapdragon]

In my state, children are required to have certain vaccinations to register in daycare/school, but there is a religous exemption. However, my younger child did not have her booster MMR (one week after receiving her first MMR she was hospitalized for two days after having a seizure and high fever). Although we couldn't definitely attribute the MMR vaccine as being the cause, we didn't want to take the risk of it happening again. Instead we got a titre done, which showed she had very high immunity so no need for the MMR booster. When we presented evidence of her immunity to the school, they had no problem with this. I am very pro vaccination because in the past, many children have died from the diseases the vaccinations now prevent. However, I also know that vaccinations can carry some risk for a minority of the population.

[Sunshine44]

My issues with NON vaccinated children are them bringing in disease to babies who are too young to be vaccinated.

[Ariana]

My issues with NON vaccinated children are them bringing in disease to babies who are too young to be vaccinated.

Unfortunately as mentioned above, vaccinated children are not 100% protected so they too can carry the diseases.

[Blackcat31]

A non-vaccinated child cannot put vaccinated children at risk if the vaccines are effective. In fact, it is the vaccinated children who expose other children to increased risk. This has been confirmed again and again in outbreaks where a majority of the affected children were recently vaccinated.

Recently vaccinated children do carry the disease germ and are able to spread it to other children. Many so-called epidemics are initiated and spread in this manner, even though the unvaccinated are blamed.

This is another reason I do not allow recently vaccinated children to attend for 48 hours after receiving their vaccines.

If you have an infant in care, being concerned about the exclusion of recently vaccinated kids is a better safety policy then not allowing non-vaccinated kids to attend at all.

Spread of disease and illness could happen in any setting, but it's a particular concern if there is a large group of unvaccinated children in one classroom or one school. That gives a virus like measles a much better chance of finding a "susceptible" person - someone who can contract the disease and then pass it on to other people. So it's the clustering of unvaccinated kids in spatial or social groups like classrooms that we have to pay particular attention to.

In order to maintain that level of protection, we need to make sure the vast majority of kids do get vaccinated. Children who can't get vaccinated are relying on the protection provided when everyone else is vaccinated - an important concept called “herd immunity.”

I think it is every parents job/responsibility to educate themselves about vaccines and the risks associated with receiving and not receiving them.

[Ariana]

A non-vaccinated child cannot put vaccinated children at risk if the vaccines are effective. In fact, it is the vaccinated children who expose other children to increased risk. This has been confirmed again and again in outbreaks where a majority of the affected children were recently vaccinated.

Recently vaccinated children do carry the disease germ and are able to spread it to other children. Many so-called epidemics are initiated and spread in this manner, even though the unvaccinated are blamed.

This is another reason I do not allow recently vaccinated children to attend for 48 hours after receiving their vaccines.

If you have an infant in care, being concerned about the exclusion of recently vaccinated kids is a better safety policy then not allowing non-vaccinated kids to attend at all.

Spread of disease and illness could happen in any setting, but it's a particular concern if there is a large group of unvaccinated children in one classroom or one school. That gives a virus like measles a much better chance of finding a "susceptible" person - someone who can contract the disease and then pass it on to other people. So it's the clustering of unvaccinated kids in spatial or social groups like classrooms that we have to pay particular attention to.

In order to maintain that level of protection, we need to make sure the vast majority of kids do get vaccinated. Children who can't get vaccinated are relying on the protection provided when everyone else is vaccinated - an important concept called “herd immunity.”


I think it is every parents job/responsibility to educate themselves about vaccines and the risks associated with receiving and not receiving them.

I couldn't agree more with that final statement!

Not to mention that many parents who give Tylenol to decrease a vaccine fever are actually lowering the efficacy of the vaccine as well. Many children who are vaccinated are not vaccinated effectively. Even their DR's will encourage them to give Tylenol/Advil.

[MrsB]

In my area 5+ years ago, Dr's urging parents to give tylenol/motrin was the norm. These days they say only if the temperature is over 102F is tylenol/motrin indicated.

[SilverSabre25]

A non-vaccinated child cannot put vaccinated children at risk if the vaccines are effective. In fact, it is the vaccinated children who expose other children to increased risk. This has been confirmed again and again in outbreaks where a majority of the affected children were recently vaccinated.

Recently vaccinated children do carry the disease germ and are able to spread it to other children. Many so-called epidemics are initiated and spread in this manner, even though the unvaccinated are blamed.

This is another reason I do not allow recently vaccinated children to attend for 48 hours after receiving their vaccines.

If you have an infant in care, being concerned about the exclusion of recently vaccinated kids is a better safety policy then not allowing non-vaccinated kids to attend at all.

Spread of disease and illness could happen in any setting, but it's a particular concern if there is a large group of unvaccinated children in one classroom or one school. That gives a virus like measles a much better chance of finding a "susceptible" person - someone who can contract the disease and then pass it on to other people. So it's the clustering of unvaccinated kids in spatial or social groups like classrooms that we have to pay particular attention to.

In order to maintain that level of protection, we need to make sure the vast majority of kids do get vaccinated. Children who can't get vaccinated are relying on the protection provided when everyone else is vaccinated - an important concept called “herd immunity.”

I think it is every parents job/responsibility to educate themselves about vaccines and the risks associated with receiving and not receiving them.

[Meyou]

A non-vaccinated child cannot put vaccinated children at risk if the vaccines are effective. In fact, it is the vaccinated children who expose other children to increased risk. This has been confirmed again and again in outbreaks where a majority of the affected children were recently vaccinated.

Recently vaccinated children do carry the disease germ and are able to spread it to other children. Many so-called epidemics are initiated and spread in this manner, even though the unvaccinated are blamed.

This is another reason I do not allow recently vaccinated children to attend for 48 hours after receiving their vaccines.

If you have an infant in care, being concerned about the exclusion of recently vaccinated kids is a better safety policy then not allowing non-vaccinated kids to attend at all.

Spread of disease and illness could happen in any setting, but it's a particular concern if there is a large group of unvaccinated children in one classroom or one school. That gives a virus like measles a much better chance of finding a "susceptible" person - someone who can contract the disease and then pass it on to other people. So it's the clustering of unvaccinated kids in spatial or social groups like classrooms that we have to pay particular attention to.

In order to maintain that level of protection, we need to make sure the vast majority of kids do get vaccinated. Children who can't get vaccinated are relying on the protection provided when everyone else is vaccinated - an important concept called “herd immunity.”

I think it is every parents job/responsibility to educate themselves about vaccines and the risks associated with receiving and not receiving them.

[Meeko]

We can take non-vaccinated kids.....but they must attend a video presentaion at the health dept and fill out a special form that we have to keep on file.

They also sign a form saying they understand that they may be excluded from day care for an extended period of time if there is an outbreak of something and they are still expected to pay full tuition until allowed to return.

I currently have one kindergarten kid who is not vaccinated.