So Sad, And Scary....

[Crystal]

She stated that she intially lied because she was afraid of getting in trouble with licensing for having the child upstairs. And, she would have, but it would have been a hell of alot less trouble than she is in now. He was definitely unsupervised while upstairs, as she had the rest of the group downstairs. With a large FCC license upstairs can NEVER be used, even if the children are supervised....she was worried that she would face a penalty for having him upstairs....but she still left him there rather than move him downstairs. :confused:

The story also states that she made several calls after finding him, but none were to 911.....I wonder who she called and if they knew what was up and also failed to call 911.....

[Crystal]

I'm also thinking the child was there more hours than what a comment on the article said....someone posted he was only there from 1:15-4:15, but WHO said that and how do they know?The article says that Shiela acommodated the parents work schedule by allowing them to drop their children off early every day.....so I am thinking he was there for several hours.

[mom2many]

She stated that she intially lied because she was afraid of getting in trouble with licensing for having the child upstairs. And, she would have, but it would have been a hell of alot less trouble than she is in now. He was definitely unsupervised while upstairs, as she had the rest of the group downstairs. With a large FCC license upstairs can NEVER be used, even if the children are supervised....she was worried that she would face a penalty for having him upstairs....but she still left him there rather than move him downstairs. :confused:

The story also states that she made several calls after finding him, but none were to 911.....I wonder who she called and if they knew what was up and also failed to call 911.....

This is so crazy...what was she thinking. It makes no sense why she'd even use the upstairs, her house was huge and it was stated she had a designated nursery too. Newborns are usually very sound sleepers and I have always kept little ones this age out in my living room area, right smack in the midst of it all, so I can keep a constant eye on them and never in a back room. I just don't get why she left him up there either:confused:

I also don't get how she could make phone calls and not be frantic and call 911 immediately. Then to act like nothing was wrong when dad showed up is totally beyond my comprehension...

[justgettingstarted]

This post gave me chills. I live in this area and saw her daycare items on CL, I wondered how an in-home daycare could have such expensive, high end stuff and why they would be closing...now I know. So sad and so scary. Its hard to imagine that in this situation her first thought would be how to keep herself from getting into trouble. I'd like to think that that would not even be on my radar but I guess you can't know until you experience it. I am so sad for the parents I could cry.

Just to throw this out there, the sacbee is notorious for shotty journalism and badly written articles. So, if something isn't adding up it could very well be the writing.

[nannyde]

This post gave me chills. I live in this area and saw her daycare items on CL, I wondered how an in-home daycare could have such expensive, high end stuff and why they would be closing...now I know. So sad and so scary. Its hard to imagine that in this situation her first thought would be how to keep herself from getting into trouble. I'd like to think that that would not even be on my radar but I guess you can't know until you experience it. I am so sad for the parents I could cry.

Just to throw this out there, the sacbee is notorious for shotty journalism and badly written articles. So, if something isn't adding up it could very well be the writing.

You have a link to the craigslist ad? I would love to see the toys.

[nannyde]

She stated that she intially lied because she was afraid of getting in trouble with licensing for having the child upstairs. And, she would have, but it would have been a hell of alot less trouble than she is in now. He was definitely unsupervised while upstairs, as she had the rest of the group downstairs. With a large FCC license upstairs can NEVER be used, even if the children are supervised....she was worried that she would face a penalty for having him upstairs....but she still left him there rather than move him downstairs. :confused:

The story also states that she made several calls after finding him, but none were to 911.....I wonder who she called and if they knew what was up and also failed to call 911.....

I dunno

I think when people are caught they admit to the least possible case scenario. Even though your state doesn't allow upstairs... the truth is that a baby being upstairs isn't intrinsically dangerous. The reasoning for it is for fire which there is a one in a hundreds of thousands of chance of happening.

I'm NOT saying to put kids upstairs. I'm saying that millions of babies sleep upstairs at home and there are no real life regulations for that. It's based on the group of kids and the age... not that being upstairs is in and of itself life threatening.

Having a baby sleep on their belly... no matter where the child is... no matter who the adult is caring for them... no matter WHAT that is dangerous and life threatening to the baby. It's especially dangerous if that baby has never had belly time.

[Crystal]

There has been an update to this story. The provider has been arrested and is being charged with felony child neglect. She faces up to 8 years in prison:

http://www.sacbee.com/2011/10/28/4013151/infants-death-leads-to-arrest.html

[nannyde]

My guess is that she either had him unsupervised in a seat, face down, or unsupervised completely. She had to have been covering something up.


She moved him so that says to me that the position he was in was illegal.
The positional asphyxia is one theory BUT I don't know the ages for this. The whole idea of it is that they are strong enough to jut their head either forward, to the left and then down or to the right and then down. At two months... even with the slightest amount of angle in the seat.. it would take a pretty fiesty two month old to jut it's head forward. The angle of the seat would have to be really close to 90 degrees... I would think :confused:

Now if she layed him belly down... that would make sense. EVERYBODY knows not to do that.

But Caceres initially told a detective she found Avin unresponsive in a downstairs crib. Later, she amended her version, telling Detective Darin Pometta that she left Avin sleeping upstairs in a car seat and sometime that afternoon found him unresponsive.

She said she picked him up, then placed him on his side in a portable playpen, rubbed his back and went downstairs until Dave Rominger arrived,

[sharlan]

I wonder if the outcome for her would have been better had she told the truth from the beginning.......

Sad situation for all involved.

[sharlan]

But Caceres initially told a detective she found Avin unresponsive in a downstairs crib. Later, she amended her version, telling Detective Darin Pometta that she left Avin sleeping upstairs in a car seat and sometime that afternoon found him unresponsive.

She said she picked him up, then placed him on his side in a portable playpen, rubbed his back and went downstairs until Dave Rominger arrived,

How can anyone do that?

SIDS was always my greatest fear as a provider. I refused to take babies under 1 yr for many years.

[Crystal]

Sharlan....It might have been a little better for her had she told the truth, but in all honesty, she deserves to be punished for failing to act when she found him unresponsive. She didn't attempt CPR, call 911, NOTHING.....oh, wait, she did make numerous other phone calls after finding him, but she was apparently not of the state of mind to dial 911.

I understand panciking....but I don't think that is what happened.....I think she was buying time trying to come up with an excuse, and then acted as if she was completely unaware when Dad arrived in hopes that she wouldn't be found negligent.

[Crystal]

But Caceres initially told a detective she found Avin unresponsive in a downstairs crib. Later, she amended her version, telling Detective Darin Pometta that she left Avin sleeping upstairs in a car seat and sometime that afternoon found him unresponsive.

She said she picked him up, then placed him on his side in a portable playpen, rubbed his back and went downstairs until Dave Rominger arrived,

Yes, that was in the original story. I am almost certain this was caused by positional asphyxia.....I googled that and there are SO many stories in which infants under 3 months have died in their carseats.....

[cheerfuldom]

who knows that what she said in either response is the actually truth....very very sad situation

[Blackcat31]

How can anyone do that?

SIDS was always my greatest fear as a provider. I refused to take babies under 1 yr for many years.

I won't take any under 8 months right now for those reasons. Although I am aware SIDS can happen after 8 months, the likelihood is considerably less.

Yes, that was in the original story. I am almost certain this was caused by positional asphyxia.....I googled that and there are SO many stories in which infants under 3 months have died in their carseats.....

Another reason to NOT allow car seats to even be left on the premesis. Removes any liability about them being used.


SAD. VERY SAD.

[Cat Herder]

The worst part is that there are providers out there right now who have infants asleep in swings and carseats because "That is the ONLY way they will sleep".

"No Cry" care (both at home and in childcare) is killing babies.

This won't be the last time we hear a story like this.