So Sad, And Scary....

[Country Kids]

Going out on a limb here but is it possible that the baby passed away on the way over to the childcare? If the dad just put baby down and left he wouldn't have known then when the provider foiund him she panicked? If the child was in childcare for such a little amount of time how come the article sounds like this was on going for hours? Something just doesn't sound right.

[Crystal]

I am taking the comments on the article with a grain of salt....we have no idea who is posting that info, how they know, etc.

No, I don't think baby was dead before he was dropped off.....even so, the provider was negligent when she failed to remove him from the carseat IMMEDIATELY upon arrival. Had there been an issue prior to arrival it would have been discovered at that time.

A few things re. negligence and why she might (shoul?) face criminal charges:

baby was not removed from carseat upon arrival
baby was placed upstairs, which is against regs
baby was not provided CPR and no call to 911 was made when it was discovered that he was non-responsive
baby was moved from carseat to bed when it was discovered he was non-responsive
there was not a second caregiver present....if there were more than 8 children in care, there should have been a 2nd provider
provider did not inform licensing of the event

[renodeb]

My heart breaks for that family. That provider handled everything wrong. If 911 would have been called maybe that dear baby would hav e had a chance. Very sad.

[renodeb]

Going out on a limb here but is it possible that the baby passed away on the way over to the childcare? If the dad just put baby down and left he wouldn't have known then when the provider foiund him she panicked? If the child was in childcare for such a little amount of time how come the article sounds like this was on going for hours? Something just doesn't sound right.

Either way she handled it poorly, in Nevada we are required to take the baby out of there car seat and put them in an appropriate crib. She handled it all wrong (IMO). Your right though! Something aint stirring the koolaide!

[renodeb]

http://www.sacbee.com/2011/09/25/393...#disqus_thread

A grieving mother doesn't need strangers to lecture. The story doesn't state: that was Avin's 2nd "week" at daycare, after his mom took as much time off as income would allow. Between her schedule and her husband's schedule, Avin was in daycare 3 hours a day, twice a week. Mr. Rominger had 4 10 hour work days, Mrs. Rominger got two weekdays off (worked weekends). She worked 1:30-10:00pm. He worked 6am to 4pm. They arranged their schedules so the kids would not spend in full time daycare. The day in question: dropped off by his mom at 1:15, dad arrived at 4:15 to pick up. Three short hours. Life lost within three hours. Horrible. But Sheila didn't cause Avin's death, much as the people want someone to blame.

This is in the comment section but it makes it a little bit more suspicious.

If this is correct he would have had only a few hours in day care total.

I'm wondering if there is a chance she actually laid him down on his belly to sleep and did the stall to call 911 because she knew she had to reposition him to show that he WASN'T in the face down position. It would take TIME and gravity to have his blood pooling change.

The high incidence of SIDS in child care is in part because providers put babies who have never been on their belly on their belly to muffle the crying and to wear them out. This happens often on the first day of child care. Because this kid was so part time and had only had a few hours of time total in child care he may have had what was equivallent to one full day of day care when this happened.

Well either way you slice it she should of called 911 and atleast given him the chance to live. And moving him so she looked less guilty hhhmmm. It was poorly handled no matter how you look at it. Lots of stuff does not add up.

[countrymom]

I don't know something just doesn't add up. If he was in care for only 3 hours, he had to have died right away, so I wonder if it could have been shaken baby syndrome. Think about it, dad drops him off, and he dies sunddenly. The blood from the nose makes me think that there was bleeding in the brain. Also, unless i missed it, was the baby sleeping when he arrived.

[Jewels]

I'm just very sorry for the family and everyone involved, A child lost their life way to early, and its just so so sad. No matter how it happened, it did happen, and its horrible.

[nannyde]

Either way she handled it poorly, in Nevada we are required to take the baby out of there car seat and put them in an appropriate crib. She handled it all wrong (IMO). Your right though! Something aint stirring the koolaide!

I don't allow car seats in the house. That solves the sleeping baby issue. All kids have to come to day care AWAKE every day.

[MommyMuffin]

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Cant figure out the quote thing...but Nannyde...you said: (The high incidence of SIDS in child care is in part because providers put babies who have never been on their belly on their belly to muffle the crying and to wear them out. )

WHAT!!?? People really do that? That makes me want to cry. I dont think I will ever bring my infant to daycare because that image haunts me. Nanny where did you hear of providers doing that? Scary!!

[laundrymom]

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http://www.sacbee.com/2011/09/25/393...#disqus_thread



The high incidence of SIDS in child care is in part because providers put babies who have never been on their belly on their belly to muffle the crying and to wear them out. QUOTE]

WHAT!!?? People really do that? That makes me want to cry. I dont think I will ever bring my infant to daycare because that image haunts me. Nanny where did you hear of providers doing that? Scary!!

Mommy, not everyone. But I've heard of it too. Just one more reason to be an advocate for safe sleep practices. It's probably the thing I am most passionate about. Babies sleep better swaddled on their sides or tummies. However, it's not safe. Remember when putting baby to sleep put only two things in the bed. Baby, and your love.

[MommyMuffin]

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Mommy, not everyone. But I've heard of it too. Just one more reason to be an advocate for safe sleep practices. It's probably the thing I am most passionate about. Babies sleep better swaddled on their sides or tummies. However, it's not safe. Remember when putting baby to sleep put only two things in the bed. Baby, and your love.

Baby and your love! That is so sweet! I'm gonna go do another safety check on my little ones..especially after reading this!

[nannyde]

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http://www.sacbee.com/2011/09/25/393...#disqus_thread



Cant figure out the quote thing...but Nannyde...you said: (The high incidence of SIDS in child care is in part because providers put babies who have never been on their belly on their belly to muffle the crying and to wear them out. )

WHAT!!?? People really do that? That makes me want to cry. I dont think I will ever bring my infant to daycare because that image haunts me. Nanny where did you hear of providers doing that? Scary!!

http://www.sidsma.org/professionals/documents/SIDSchildcarewithpictures.pdf

[Crystal]

I don't know something just doesn't add up. If he was in care for only 3 hours, he had to have died right away, so I wonder if it could have been shaken baby syndrome. Think about it, dad drops him off, and he dies sunddenly. The blood from the nose makes me think that there was bleeding in the brain. Also, unless i missed it, was the baby sleeping when he arrived.

I don't think it was shaken baby. They did a complete autopsy and found no evidence of shaken baby, which is likely the first thing they were looking for.

Regardless though, the provider should have given him those two rescue breaths and called 911 the second she found him not breathing. There may have been a chance, albeit a small one, that he could have survuved.

[nannyde]

I don't think it was shaken baby. They did a complete autopsy and found no evidence of shaken baby, which is likely the first thing they were looking for.

Regardless though, the provider should have given him those two rescue breaths and called 911 the second she found him not breathing. There may have been a chance, albeit a small one, that he could have survuved.

My guess is that she either had him unsupervised in a seat, face down, or unsupervised completely. She had to have been covering something up.

She moved him so that says to me that the position he was in was illegal.

The positional asphyxia is one theory BUT I don't know the ages for this. The whole idea of it is that they are strong enough to jut their head either forward, to the left and then down or to the right and then down. At two months... even with the slightest amount of angle in the seat.. it would take a pretty fiesty two month old to jut it's head forward. The angle of the seat would have to be really close to 90 degrees... I would think :confused:

Now if she layed him belly down... that would make sense. EVERYBODY knows not to do that.

[mom2many]

This is such a horrible tragedy and my heart goes out to this little boy's family. Something just doesn't add up with this...I agree with pps that she isn't being honest about what really happened and it does seem like she was trying to cover up something she did or didn't do. I just cannot imagine how she could not call 911 and start CPR.