Child Removed From Daycare After Injury

[texascare]

I don't think that a center or most centers have to give you 2 weeks notice...I could be wrong. However, biting does happen at daycare where ever you are and so do small injuries no matter how well we watch them-Especially at his age. If you were termintated on a Tuesday and had just paid your weekly fee that week i would ask for a refund of the unused days. Don't know if you will get it or no but it doesn't hurt to ask. What center is this? I am in Texas as well.

[littlemissmuffet]

Can we do anything to make sure this doesn't happen to any other people, legal, civil, or otherwise?


Not likely. Most daycares, centers and home can term at will.

I have suspicions you and/or your wife were disrespectful to the daycare workers and that's what earned your termination note - could be wrong, but I doubt it

My only concern is their note was completely unprofessional - that is, if you didn't paraphrase!

[Unregistered]

I think your child was poorly supervised

The biting, fall and conflict over the toy are all signs of missed opportunities to redirect, guide and teach. Be glad you are gone and didn't drag your child through a waiting period while getting a new place sorted out. I would report, on top of the report generated by the hospital visit. How long did it take them to notify you that there was an injury? Too long.

They are going to do it to other children. You would be shocked at what goes on in the world, just keep your own kid safe.

Centers like this are happiest when they are full of kids whose parents don't care. It takes a lot of reports to make a tiny improvement, and those reports have to be substantiated. Your report is just going to be a drop in the bucket, but eventually it will be full.

[Unregistered]

So then all Child Care Expert websites are wrong?

So you are suggesting he take his child to a place where strangers are allowed to hang around? I am a day care provider. Have been for 25 years. For the safety of the children I NEVER allow strangers into my home and allow them near the children. As a parent of four children, I would never WANT my children to go to a place where their security was so bad.

I used to allow it. One day we found out that the father of one of our little day care girls was a convicted child rapist who had done time in another state. He liked to come and "observe" (yeah right) as you recommend. He seemed like a nice guy at first...business suit, friendly etc. Nobody will ever "observe" again. The parents of the children I have in my care are very grateful that I don't allow complete strangers to come in and be near their children. They are free to come and spend time with THEIR child any time they like. But they are never allowed around other people's kids. There is no need for them to be.

I wish people would stop pushing the "go and watch" thing. If your supervisor at work spent the day staring at you, would you put a foot wrong? Of course not. You probably wouldn't even pop a piece a gum in your mouth as you worked for fear of being accused of slacking off. Doesn't mean you won't spend the work day on facebook when the supervisor is away.

Spending a day with a day care provider is no different. What if she is a horrible person and abuses the kids.....do you think she'd do it in front of you?! Of course not! She will be on her best behavior! Mary Poppins in person!

Parents should check with licensing, ask for references of present and past clients and then watch their kids. Do they come home happy? Do they have friends? Do they talk about day care as if they enjoy it? These are REAL indicators of what the facility is like.

I know I am waaaay off topic here....but I am tired of the scaremongering that gets done to parents. Not all day care providers are satan personified.

I respect your opinion. You have a very good case as to why you don't allow it if what you're saying is true. Obviously, tours cannot require a background check before touring, but none of the home daycares or centers around my area perform a background check on customers - in my State, they legally have to reveal if a background check is required, because you have to submit to it in writing. So unless you have a lot of personal information on the person, there's no way you'd know anyway. And tours are generally limited to a 1-2 times anyway - there should have been red flags when this guy didn't have children with him and wanted to tour repeatedly - something doesn't check out with your story at all. If he was convicted, regardless of state, I can guarantee you in every state that he wouldn't be allowed to have any unsupervised visitation with his kids and him showing up without a kid is suspicious to begin with. However, not touring is not an option for centers. Maybe small home daycares can get away with this, but centers could never get away with this. In general, if you polled clients (not providers), I think you'd see that your policy is the minority, not the majority - customers want to tour and see how things are ran during business hours. It's very easy to see if they cannot handle a roudy child or if the teacher is mean or doesn't interact with the children. And every child care web site is wrong then? There are people from state licensing, doctors, providers, etc, etc - all experts in child care - that recommend touring during business hours. I guess if you consider potential clients strangers, that's your opinion - as a customer, I would expect that customers get to tour and will be around my children. Obviously, a teacher is supervising and the tour is limited - it's not an all day thing at all. And your story doesn't check out that you don't allow parents to be around other people's kids - it's 100% guarantee that they'll be around other people's kids when they come to see their kid during the day or for any special events you hold. One of the biggest things wrong with child care is that there aren't enough compliance checks done - I wish they were done every week, not twice per year. You know the saying, "While the cat's away, the mice will play." By what you're saying is that you're good to the kids while parents are there, but completely different when they're not - I would check yourself. I think everyone in every field should be supervised more closely. References from exisiting parents won't work - the provider will only provide references of those who are happy there, never about those that weren't. And existing parents won't say anything negative either for fear that they'll get termed. Maybe not all providers are satan personified, but neither are centers - one thing you can't get in a home based is the checks and balances that come with a center - there's always multiple teachers in the rooms as witnesses to what's going on and can check another teacher and report things. Home centers can just cover things up. I've read most of the threads on here and I can say that I would never choose a home based based on the things that are said here. At least most centers have 2 adult teachers in each classroom which makes things much safer for adult coverage. After all, all the home based have to leave the kids unsupervised in order to use the restroom. As a parent, that makes me cringe to think what can and will happen in that 2 minutes.

[jen]

Can we do anything to make sure this doesn't happen to any other people, legal, civil, or otherwise?


Not likely. Most daycares, centers and home can term at will.

I have suspicions you and/or your wife were disrespectful to the daycare workers and that's what earned your termination note - could be wrong, but I doubt it

My only concern is their note was completely unprofessional - that is, if you didn't paraphrase!

That was my thought too...considering how rude the OP was to forum members, it wasn't much of a leap...

[daycare]

I respect your opinion. You have a very good case as to why you don't allow it if what you're saying is true. Obviously, tours cannot require a background check before touring, but none of the home daycares or centers around my area perform a background check on customers - in my State, they legally have to reveal if a background check is required, because you have to submit to it in writing. So unless you have a lot of personal information on the person, there's no way you'd know anyway. And tours are generally limited to a 1-2 times anyway - there should have been red flags when this guy didn't have children with him and wanted to tour repeatedly - something doesn't check out with your story at all. If he was convicted, regardless of state, I can guarantee you in every state that he wouldn't be allowed to have any unsupervised visitation with his kids and him showing up without a kid is suspicious to begin with. However, not touring is not an option for centers. Maybe small home daycares can get away with this, but centers could never get away with this. In general, if you polled clients (not providers), I think you'd see that your policy is the minority, not the majority - customers want to tour and see how things are ran during business hours. It's very easy to see if they cannot handle a roudy child or if the teacher is mean or doesn't interact with the children. And every child care web site is wrong then? There are people from state licensing, doctors, providers, etc, etc - all experts in child care - that recommend touring during business hours. I guess if you consider potential clients strangers, that's your opinion - as a customer, I would expect that customers get to tour and will be around my children. Obviously, a teacher is supervising and the tour is limited - it's not an all day thing at all. And your story doesn't check out that you don't allow parents to be around other people's kids - it's 100% guarantee that they'll be around other people's kids when they come to see their kid during the day or for any special events you hold. One of the biggest things wrong with child care is that there aren't enough compliance checks done - I wish they were done every week, not twice per year. You know the saying, "While the cat's away, the mice will play." By what you're saying is that you're good to the kids while parents are there, but completely different when they're not - I would check yourself. I think everyone in every field should be supervised more closely. References from exisiting parents won't work - the provider will only provide references of those who are happy there, never about those that weren't. And existing parents won't say anything negative either for fear that they'll get termed. Maybe not all providers are satan personified, but neither are centers - one thing you can't get in a home based is the checks and balances that come with a center - there's always multiple teachers in the rooms as witnesses to what's going on and can check another teacher and report things. Home centers can just cover things up. I've read most of the threads on here and I can say that I would never choose a home based based on the things that are said here. At least most centers have 2 adult teachers in each classroom which makes things much safer for adult coverage. After all, all the home based have to leave the kids unsupervised in order to use the restroom. As a parent, that makes me cringe to think what can and will happen in that 2 minutes.

After all, all the home based have to leave the kids unsupervised in order to use the restroom. As a parent, that makes me cringe to think what can and will happen in that 2 minutes.

So do you not go to the bathroom when you are at home, or do you take your child to the bathroom with you every single time you go?

Why do you assume that at all DCs they are being left alone when we use the bathroom. I would never take a child into the bathroom with me, however, I do have them line up along the wall in my hallway outside the bathroom when I have to go. I may not be able to see them, but I can hear them.

Btw....there are more accidents reported each year at centers than at in home DC. Hmm wasn't yours hurt at one? I have never (knock on wood) had a child injur themself at my house, other than minor scrapes and bruises.

[nannyde]

I respect your opinion. You have a very good case as to why you don't allow it if what you're saying is true. Obviously, tours cannot require a background check before touring, but none of the home daycares or centers around my area perform a background check on customers - in my State, they legally have to reveal if a background check is required, because you have to submit to it in writing. So unless you have a lot of personal information on the person, there's no way you'd know anyway. And tours are generally limited to a 1-2 times anyway - there should have been red flags when this guy didn't have children with him and wanted to tour repeatedly - something doesn't check out with your story at all. If he was convicted, regardless of state, I can guarantee you in every state that he wouldn't be allowed to have any unsupervised visitation with his kids and him showing up without a kid is suspicious to begin with. However, not touring is not an option for centers. Maybe small home daycares can get away with this, but centers could never get away with this. In general, if you polled clients (not providers), I think you'd see that your policy is the minority, not the majority - customers want to tour and see how things are ran during business hours. It's very easy to see if they cannot handle a roudy child or if the teacher is mean or doesn't interact with the children. And every child care web site is wrong then? There are people from state licensing, doctors, providers, etc, etc - all experts in child care - that recommend touring during business hours. I guess if you consider potential clients strangers, that's your opinion - as a customer, I would expect that customers get to tour and will be around my children. Obviously, a teacher is supervising and the tour is limited - it's not an all day thing at all. And your story doesn't check out that you don't allow parents to be around other people's kids - it's 100% guarantee that they'll be around other people's kids when they come to see their kid during the day or for any special events you hold. One of the biggest things wrong with child care is that there aren't enough compliance checks done - I wish they were done every week, not twice per year. You know the saying, "While the cat's away, the mice will play." By what you're saying is that you're good to the kids while parents are there, but completely different when they're not - I would check yourself. I think everyone in every field should be supervised more closely. References from exisiting parents won't work - the provider will only provide references of those who are happy there, never about those that weren't. And existing parents won't say anything negative either for fear that they'll get termed. Maybe not all providers are satan personified, but neither are centers - one thing you can't get in a home based is the checks and balances that come with a center - there's always multiple teachers in the rooms as witnesses to what's going on and can check another teacher and report things. Home centers can just cover things up. I've read most of the threads on here and I can say that I would never choose a home based based on the things that are said here. At least most centers have 2 adult teachers in each classroom which makes things much safer for adult coverage. After all, all the home based have to leave the kids unsupervised in order to use the restroom. As a parent, that makes me cringe to think what can and will happen in that 2 minutes.

You said: there should have been red flags when this guy didn't have children with him and wanted to tour repeatedly - something doesn't check out with your story at all.

The provider said "I used to allow it. One day we found out that the father of one of our little day care girls was a convicted child rapist who had done time in another state. He liked to come and "observe" (yeah right) as you recommend.


The child rapist parent DID have a kid in the day care. He wasn't coming without a kid. His kid was IN the day care. He wanted to OBSERVE like you are sying the parents SHOULD observe.

He wasn't going there without a kid. HIS kid is what allowed him to observe any time he wanted. She was his "IN" to get to observe the other little girls there.

Isn't that really cool? Don't you love THAT? Isn't that what the books say? Can you imagine that just because someone has sex and a child is born that that gives him the right to come see about YOUR little girl at the day care. Just as long as HIS kid is in the day care he gets to visit YOURS... as often as he wants.. for as long as he wants... whenever he wants. He gets to come and watch HER. All he had to do was impregnate someone and VOILA... He's a PARENT and he has RIGHTS.

REDICULOUS.

[daycare]

You said: there should have been red flags when this guy didn't have children with him and wanted to tour repeatedly - something doesn't check out with your story at all.

The provider said "I used to allow it. One day we found out that the father of one of our little day care girls was a convicted child rapist who had done time in another state. He liked to come and "observe" (yeah right) as you recommend.


The child rapist parent DID have a kid in the day care. He wasn't coming without a kid. His kid was IN the day care. He wanted to OBSERVE like you are sying the parents SHOULD observe.

He wasn't going there without a kid. HIS kid is what allowed him to observe any time he wanted. She was his "IN" to get to observe the other little girls there.

Isn't that really cool? Don't you love THAT? Isn't that what the books say? Can you imagine that just because someone has sex and a child is born that that gives him the right to come see about YOUR little girl at the day care. Just as long as HIS kid is in the day care he gets to visit YOURS... as often as he wants.. for as long as he wants... whenever he wants. He gets to come and watch HER. All he had to do was impregnate someone and VOILA... He's a PARENT and he has RIGHTS.

REDICULOUS.

Go Nanny Go Nanny....... sorry !!!!

[Meeko]

You said: there should have been red flags when this guy didn't have children with him and wanted to tour repeatedly - something doesn't check out with your story at all.

The provider said "I used to allow it. One day we found out that the father of one of our little day care girls was a convicted child rapist who had done time in another state. He liked to come and "observe" (yeah right) as you recommend.


The child rapist parent DID have a kid in the day care. He wasn't coming without a kid. His kid was IN the day care. He wanted to OBSERVE like you are sying the parents SHOULD observe.

He wasn't going there without a kid. HIS kid is what allowed him to observe any time he wanted. She was his "IN" to get to observe the other little girls there.

Isn't that really cool? Don't you love THAT? Isn't that what the books say? Can you imagine that just because someone has sex and a child is born that that gives him the right to come see about YOUR little girl at the day care. Just as long as HIS kid is in the day care he gets to visit YOURS... as often as he wants.. for as long as he wants... whenever he wants. He gets to come and watch HER. All he had to do was impregnate someone and VOILA... He's a PARENT and he has RIGHTS.

REDICULOUS.

Thanks Nannyde...."unregistered" didn't even read all my post! It's pointless trying to get some of these people to see the light. That's OK. The parents of the kids in my care know that their kids are safe and that's what counts.

[Meeko]

"Obviously, tours cannot require a background check before touring, but none of the home daycares or centers around my area perform a background check on customers - in my State, they legally have to reveal if a background check is required, because you have to submit to it in writing. So unless you have a lot of personal information on the person, there's no way you'd know anyway. "

I check the sex offender registry and the arrest check for our county and the next. It's all openly available to the public. I check on every single person that enters my day care. No permission required.

[Unregistered]

I'm not the OP

After all, all the home based have to leave the kids unsupervised in order to use the restroom. As a parent, that makes me cringe to think what can and will happen in that 2 minutes.

So do you not go to the bathroom when you are at home, or do you take your child to the bathroom with you every single time you go?

Why do you assume that at all DCs they are being left alone when we use the bathroom. I would never take a child into the bathroom with me, however, I do have them line up along the wall in my hallway outside the bathroom when I have to go. I may not be able to see them, but I can hear them.

Btw....there are more accidents reported each year at centers than at in home DC. Hmm wasn't yours hurt at one? I have never (knock on wood) had a child injur themself at my house, other than minor scrapes and bruises.

I'm not the OP. The OP was never rude - on the other hand, you all were very rude to her by getting off topic and dissecting her email as you always do. Why even have the parent forum if that's the way you're going to treat these parents?

There's a huge difference between a daycare leaving kids a group of young preschool children unattended and parents going to the potty at their house. Even daycare owners on his forum have admitted that they leave their own young children (not daycare children) unattended in their backyards during nonworking hours. So you have no arguement there. Come on, that's like saying parents shouldn't leave their kids in their bedrooms unattended during sleeping hours at home. Your daycare rules state that you can't leave your kids unattended during their napping hours, yet one daycare worker on this forum even mowed her lawn regularly during that time! There's different rules for daycares for a reason - to protect the children. You don't seem to understand that despite your decades of experience. You always try to have it both ways and you can't. And considering I just posted this and how many times you've posted to this blog, I wonder whose taking care of your daycare kids right now? Your assistant? Certain types of things are mandatory reporting, like kids that are out of sight and sound - it's just that there's no one to monitor your reporting this type of thing at in homes other than yourself, so you don't report it - I know because there are people on this forum who've said so in threads. And your statistic about accidents is up for grabs depending on your source and the type of information used. It's debatable on percentage and comparisons, etc. It's very easy for in homes to throw the statistics because there's no one to check if they reported it or not.

Meek060 - Yes, I did read your whole post and your story still doesn't hold up. You just don't like the fact that I'm arguing the facts and you're aruing your daycare stuff. There's holes all over your story. The story of the guy bringing his daughter there doesn't hold up - no state allows father to have unsupervised visitation with minor children with a felony violation like that, so the kid must not have been his kid or something. Something isn't accurate about the story. I know, I've got lots of friends and relatives in that biz and checked.

[daycare]

Who has the troll spray.................

[nannyde]

"Obviously, tours cannot require a background check before touring, but none of the home daycares or centers around my area perform a background check on customers - in my State, they legally have to reveal if a background check is required, because you have to submit to it in writing. So unless you have a lot of personal information on the person, there's no way you'd know anyway. "

I check the sex offender registry and the arrest check for our county and the next. It's all openly available to the public. I check on every single person that enters my day care. No permission required.

Yes but can you check EVERY State? Just because someone doesn't have an offense in my State doesn't mean they are not an offender. They are supposed to Register here but I have no way of knowing whether they do or not.

[nannyde]

I'm not the OP. The OP was never rude - on the other hand, you all were very rude to her by getting off topic and dissecting her email as you always do. Why even have the parent forum if that's the way you're going to treat these parents?

There's a huge difference between a daycare leaving kids a group of young preschool children unattended and parents going to the potty at their house. Even daycare owners on his forum have admitted that they leave their own young children (not daycare children) unattended in their backyards during nonworking hours. So you have no arguement there. Come on, that's like saying parents shouldn't leave their kids in their bedrooms unattended during sleeping hours at home. Your daycare rules state that you can't leave your kids unattended during their napping hours, yet one daycare worker on this forum even mowed her lawn regularly during that time! There's different rules for daycares for a reason - to protect the children. You don't seem to understand that despite your decades of experience. You always try to have it both ways and you can't. And considering I just posted this and how many times you've posted to this blog, I wonder whose taking care of your daycare kids right now? Your assistant? Certain types of things are mandatory reporting, like kids that are out of sight and sound - it's just that there's no one to monitor your reporting this type of thing at in homes other than yourself, so you don't report it - I know because there are people on this forum who've said so in threads. And your statistic about accidents is up for grabs depending on your source and the type of information used. It's debatable on percentage and comparisons, etc. It's very easy for in homes to throw the statistics because there's no one to check if they reported it or not.

Meek060 - Yes, I did read your whole post and your story still doesn't hold up. You just don't like the fact that I'm arguing the facts and you're aruing your daycare stuff. There's holes all over your story. The story of the guy bringing his daughter there doesn't hold up - no state allows father to have unsupervised visitation with minor children with a felony violation like that, so the kid must not have been his kid or something. Something isn't accurate about the story. I know, I've got lots of friends and relatives in that biz and checked.

You are saying that if a sex offender has a child AFTER he has been convicted and paid his dues to society that he won't be able to have custody and alone time on every child born to him thereafter? That's so silly.

[sharlan]

Nannyde, I really think that depends on the offense.

Hmmmm, the original poster never came back to say what happened.