Operating an Unlicensed Daycare

[Unregistered]

People need to mind there business. If she is not bothering you, then why are you worried. Let that woman make her money. If she was abusing or neglecting the children, nobody would have anything to say. That's what is wrong with the world today, people report the wrong things.

What if you're not sure if the person is doing something illegal with the children, but you notice how unsanitary she is; leaving dirty diapers tied in bags outside the door all day long in the heat attracting flies & gnats? Makes me wonder what the inside is like or if she just sweeps trash to a hidden location while the parents are dropping off the children. How about when they are blocking the entrances & exits & you try to reason with your neighbor, but she is so crazy she threatens to call the police & when they show up they tell her that SHE is becoming a nuisance for calling for no reason & threaten to lock her up if she calls again because she & her guests are at fault since there is a NO PARKING sign where they like to park & congregate. I have no problem with people making their money, but when it starts to interfere with my world, it becomes MY PROBLEM!!! The problem with world today is that people like you don't care enough!!!

[cheerfuldom]

just my two cents, I am currently unlicensed and am not legally required to be licensed. I am aware of the state regulations and programs and do not see licensing to provide any advantage to my program nor am I wanting to increase the number of kids here. I have no problem keeping my spots full and all of the parents are aware that I am unlicensed (but still "legal"). Some people are like me and have the education, etc, etc to be licensed but just don't. That doesn't reflect the quality of care the kids here receive.

[Unregistered]

HOLY CRAP! Jen, I think that the unregistered person just may have forgotten it's haldol!!!

I really don't like it when people post insanity like that! It was the incoherent ramblings that I might expect to hear from someone who has lost touch with reality!

In any case, here in MI, you have to be licensed so I got licensed. I don't know that I necessarily would if I didn't have to. I don't think that not having a license means that you aren't capable of doing the job well. I don't think that people who decide not to get licensed are trying to not pay taxes. CHildren can suffer abuse at licensed daycares as well as unlicensed.

I totally agree I had my 2 children in a licensed childcare in Michigan and they never wanted to go I couldn't figure out why. I switched and started having a friend watch them (who is not licensed) A few months later the old child care was shut down and under investigation apparently she was allowing her son (who was 12) to take baths with the younger kids and he was molesting them. Yup doesn't make one bit of difference if you are licsened or not it is the person that is caring for you children that matters!

[Unregistered]

Lets stick to the original question here.

Those of you who believe that people should "mind their own business" with regards to illegal day care are completely ridiculous. The original question asked here was whether or not this person should report what she/he believes to be an illegal, or unlicensed, day care center. The first few responses to the original posting were obviously from people in similar situations as the person running the illegal day care because the tone of their responses was extremely defensive. You didn't bother to give a yes or no with an argument to back up your position. Instead you followed it with another questions..."how do you know it is illegal?". What does that matter? The question is should I or should I not report it. All I need from you is a yes or a no and why. The fact that someone is intentionally sidestepping the established laws doesn't seem to factor into your argument at all. What it comes down to is this...if it is run illegally then it should be reported. If the law is on the books and is not being followed, then it is a crime. Period! We all have an obligation to report a crime we know, or believe, to have taken place. This is a fundamental responsibility we all share as citizens. For those of you who are not citizens, it applies to you as well. The only people who would not report these crimes are those who would commit them themselves.

[jen]

Those of you who believe that people should "mind their own business" with regards to illegal day care are completely ridiculous. The original question asked here was whether or not this person should report what she/he believes to be an illegal, or unlicensed, day care center. The first few responses to the original posting were obviously from people in similar situations as the person running the illegal day care because the tone of their responses was extremely defensive. You didn't bother to give a yes or no with an argument to back up your position. Instead you followed it with another questions..."how do you know it is illegal?". What does that matter? The question is should I or should I not report it. All I need from you is a yes or a no and why. The fact that someone is intentionally sidestepping the established laws doesn't seem to factor into your argument at all. What it comes down to is this...if it is run illegally then it should be reported. If the law is on the books and is not being followed, then it is a crime. Period! We all have an obligation to report a crime we know, or believe, to have taken place. This is a fundamental responsibility we all share as citizens. For those of you who are not citizens, it applies to you as well. The only people who would not report these crimes are those who would commit them themselves.

OR..we could just let parents decide what they want for their kids. By the way, do you follow people around and call the police when the jaywalk, speed or litter? Those things are against the law too.

The reason people are asking *WHY* do you think the daycare is illegal is because we don't want people calling up to report every daycare provider that they see based on a hunch that they might be...

By the way...I AM a licensed provider and there is an unlicensed illegal daycare across the street from me. I wouldn't dream of reporting her so your assumption that the only people who wouldn't report are those who would/are commiting these "crimes" isn't correct. I have never seen anything that appears to be abusive and therefore I wouldn't report. PARENTS can decide for themselves if they want to go with a licensed provider or not.

[Unregistered]

Yes, you should care. If that person is running an unlicensed daycare, they most likely won't be following safety guidelines either. In this day and age, unfortunately, people are really messed up. If you have concerns. Call. The authorities would much rather check it out and it be fine then you not call and the children be not taken care of properly, or worse.

everyone should care i know someone that is running daycare from the home at times 10 - 12 children w/o help God forbid there was a fire she could get herself out and her 3 kids what about the rest . if she was licensed saftey guidlines would have been followed ( which they are not ) and that is why it should be everybodys business to look out for the small children

[Blackcat31]

everyone should care i know someone that is running daycare from the home at times 10 - 12 children w/o help God forbid there was a fire she could get herself out and her 3 kids what about the rest . if she was licensed saftey guidlines would have been followed ( which they are not ) and that is why it should be everybodys business to look out for the small children

This is the thread that goes on and on and on and on......::

FTR, I am licensed for 10-12 children ALONE WITHOUT HELP. It is fully within my licensing guidelines to have that many children without the requirement of another adult or even a helper to be present. I practice fire drills on a regular basis. Please do not assume all providers operate illegally. Every state has a different set of rules and they seem to vary greatly.

You are right though, it should be everyone's responsibility to look out for small children however, it should also be everyone's responsibility to know the rules and guidelines if they are going to concern themselves with someone else's business...kwim?

[jen]

FTR, I am licensed for 10-12 children ALONE WITHOUT HELP. It is fully within my licensing guidelines to have that many children without the requirement of another adult or even a helper to be present. I practice fire drills on a regular basis. Please do not assume all providers operate illegally. Every state has a different set of rules and they seem to vary greatly.

Me too!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Unregistered]

Unlicensed Child Cares

This statement is not true. Just because someone runs an unlicensed daycare, DOES NOT mean they are not following the safety guidelines. I am an unlicensed daycare and follow the guidelines of my state. Just because someone isn't licensed does not mean they do not operate a quality program. I am sure just as there are "bad" unlicensed providers, there are just as many "bad" licensed providers. In my opinion, it simply comes down to people not minding their own business.

Well I was an Registered Child care in Iowa and a Licensed Child care in California and I am no longer taking care of children because my "Licensed" Child care in California required that I carry a $1,000,00 insurance policy, not only on the kids I took car of which I didn't have a problem with that , but I also was REQUIRED to carry a $1,000,000 policy on the Superintendent of Schools here. When I questioned why I needed to have a Childcare policy cover the Superintendent of Schools office, I was told so they can be sure I am insured, when in fact the Super, of Schools here is also the overseers of the Foster Care Program and due to the many Foster Cares that have either abused children or placed kids in Foster Cares that have actually been directly responsible for the deaths of children in their Licensed foster cares that the state was running out of money and the state could no longer take on the burden of the lawsuits that resulted from those deaths. Having been on both ends of the issue although I was never un registered, I am 4 square against the licensing of Child Cares and am in favor of Registering Childcare homes. When the state gets their grubby hands in peoples jobs in the name of "LICENSING", then the people not longer have rights, and are forced to unreasonable requirements that completely run the good facilities out of business in the name of regulations. I was Registered and Licensed for over 25 years and licensing regulations ran me out of business because I was the provider who took kids no one else wanted. There are good Child care homes and facilities and I guarantee you that requiring me to carry an insurance policy in the amount of $1,000,000 dollars, would not make me a better childcare......Oh I forgot to mention that the only entity that I could get to carry a $1,000,000 policy on the Super of Schools office was the state itself, thus generating more income for the state from the lowely child cares. Go figure!

[sharlan]

Well I was an Registered Child care in Iowa and a Licensed Child care in California and I am no longer taking care of children because my "Licensed" Child care in California required that I carry a $1,000,00 insurance policy, not only on the kids I took car of which I didn't have a problem with that , but I also was REQUIRED to carry a $1,000,000 policy on the Superintendent of Schools here. When I questioned why I needed to have a Childcare policy cover the Superintendent of Schools office, I was told so they can be sure I am insured, when in fact the Super, of Schools here is also the overseers of the Foster Care Program and due to the many Foster Cares that have either abused children or placed kids in Foster Cares that have actually been directly responsible for the deaths of children in their Licensed foster cares that the state was running out of money and the state could no longer take on the burden of the lawsuits that resulted from those deaths. Having been on both ends of the issue although I was never un registered, I am 4 square against the licensing of Child Cares and am in favor of Registering Childcare homes. When the state gets their grubby hands in peoples jobs in the name of "LICENSING", then the people not longer have rights, and are forced to unreasonable requirements that completely run the good facilities out of business in the name of regulations. I was Registered and Licensed for over 25 years and licensing regulations ran me out of business because I was the provider who took kids no one else wanted. There are good Child care homes and facilities and I guarantee you that requiring me to carry an insurance policy in the amount of $1,000,000 dollars, would not make me a better childcare......Oh I forgot to mention that the only entity that I could get to carry a $1,000,000 policy on the Super of Schools office was the state itself, thus generating more income for the state from the lowely child cares. Go figure!

I'm sorry, but I do not understand this post. In CA you do not have to have liablility insurance for daycare. I've never had it.

The superintendent of schools has nothing to do with family daycare.

Are you talking about a foster care home?

[familyschoolcare]

I'm sorry, but I do not understand this post. In CA you do not have to have liablility insurance for daycare. I've never had it.

The superintendent of schools has nothing to do with family daycare.

Are you talking about a foster care home?

perhaps she was trying to be licensed 24/7 in cal. in order to do that you have to be licensed as a foster care home

[Unregistered]

Unlicensed

Any one that is UNLICENSED is UNLICENSED for a reason -- they do not follow the rules otherwise they would see to it to be LICENSED even if it was not required for the number of children they keep. People that babysit inside their homes are usually uneducated to begin with-- or they would set up a proper business.

[Unregistered]

Green Eyed Monster

OR..we could just let parents decide what they want for their kids. By the way, do you follow people around and call the police when the jaywalk, speed or litter? Those things are against the law too.

The reason people are asking *WHY* do you think the daycare is illegal is because we don't want people calling up to report every daycare provider that they see based on a hunch that they might be...

By the way...I AM a licensed provider and there is an unlicensed illegal daycare across the street from me. I wouldn't dream of reporting her so your assumption that the only people who wouldn't report are those who would/are commiting these "crimes" isn't correct. I have never seen anything that appears to be abusive and therefore I wouldn't report. PARENTS can decide for themselves if they want to go with a licensed provider or not.

No kidding, doing this forever I can honestly say I've seen just as many bad licensed daycares as non licensed, and vice versa. In my state they don't have to be licensed, but looking into everything I don't see where licensed is an advantage to anyone except the state. A lady I know chose to get licensed as a group home, and she put her husband on since he was home and retired. Guess who really watched the 10 children? And maybe she is really good... but I don't think it makes a hill of beans, and many parents do know the license doesn't make a difference. Many clients come from the larger daycares that are licensed and warehouse kids, and all I ever hear is biting, aggression and basically a lack of one on one.

This is the thread that goes on and on because you will always have people that are jealous instead of productive. They like to see what's on everyone elses plate because it just might be better.

[sharlan]

Not feeding the trolls.

[Unregistered]

The way to find out

my question is the same as one of the other posts ---how do you know 100% that this person is un-licensed???????????????????

Ms.sue

you can go to city hall or just call give them their address and they will tell you if they have one or not.