Bleach Around Children

[sahm2three]

I use Thieves household cleaner. It is all natural and you can drink it even, but it has been clinically proven to kill things such as black mold and MRSA! I printed out sheets about it and gave it to my inspector and told them that I refuse to use bleach and expose the children in my care to such harmful chemicals!

[Childminder]

Why do you consider bleach harmful? Is it not in drinking water, swimming pools and it's even recommended to give bleach baths to children with eczema.:confused:

[sahm2three]

Why do you consider bleach harmful? Is it not in drinking water, swimming pools and it's even recommended to give bleach baths to children with eczema.:confused:

Are you kidding?! Have you ever researched it? Here is the Material Safety Data Sheet on bleach: http://fscimage.fishersci.com/msds/91020.htm

[sahm2three]

It SHOULDN'T be in swimming pools and in drinking water or anywhere else! If you went back and checked into it you could probably link the over use of bleach in all the things you mentioned and see it correlate with the rise in cancers and etc!!! Scary stuff!

[Michael]

I use Thieves household cleaner. It is all natural and you can drink it even, but it has been clinically proven to kill things such as black mold and MRSA! I printed out sheets about it and gave it to my inspector and told them that I refuse to use bleach and expose the children in my care to such harmful chemicals!

I had a talk with a company yesterday regarding MRSA.
We are considering doing an article for Daycare.com on the Spectra24 product. It holds an EPA Category IV toxicity rating, the lowest classification available. SpectraSan 24 requires no hazard or warning statements and carries bacterial kill times as quick as 30 seconds, compared with 10 minutes for competing products.

http://www.spectrasan.com/

We would like to know anyones thoughts or concerns which could influence the article.

[jen]

Why do you consider bleach harmful? Is it not in drinking water, swimming pools and it's even recommended to give bleach baths to children with eczema.:confused:

I don't think that the chlorine in a swimming pool is the same as chlorine bleach that is used for cleaning.

And you are right about the chlorine for eczema! Yikes! Who knew!

http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/eczema/news/20090427/bleach-baths-may-help-kids-with-ezcema

[Golden Rule]

I had a talk with a company yesterday regarding MRSA.
We are considering doing an article for Daycare.com on the Spectra24 product. It holds an EPA Category IV toxicity rating, the lowest classification available. SpectraSan 24 requires no hazard or warning statements and carries bacterial kill times as quick as 30 seconds, compared with 10 minutes for competing products.

http://www.spectrasan.com/

We would like to know anyones thoughts or concerns which could influence the article.

I prefer Q-128 by Franklin.

It is what we used in the ER, Ambulances, Fire Station and Helicopter. I have been using it for years, very gentle, smells nice, does not stain and no chaffed hands. I order mine from Betty Mills online. One gallon lasts me almost a year.

I guess everyone has their favorites....

[Michael]

I prefer Q-128 by Franklin.

It is what we used in the ER, Ambulances, Fire Station and Helicopter. I have been using it for years, very gentle, smells nice, does not stain and no chaffed hands. I order mine from Betty Mills online. One gallon lasts me almost a year.

I guess everyone has their favorites....

While I read that the Q-128 does sufficiently kills unwanted germs and bacteria our interest in the Spectra24 resolves around it’s non caustic use in the daycare environment. To compare:

The Q-128:

In case of contact, immediately flush with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes. For eyes or skin, call a physician. If swallowed, call a doctor or get medical attention. Do not induce vomiting or give anything by mouth to an unconscious person. Drink promptly a large quantity of milk, egg whites, gelatin solution, or if these are not available, drink large quantities of water. Avoid alcohol.

Ventilation: Use with adequate ventilation.
Eye Protection: Safety glasses are required.
Protective Gloves: Protective gloves are required.
Other Protective Clothing or Equipment: Wear clothing as necessary to prevent skin contact.

http://www.bettymills.com/product_manuals/Franklin/F248022TDS.pdf

The Spectra24:

Non-flammable
Odorless
Colorless
Non-caustic
Non-solvent
• Kills germs 20 times faster than traditional disinfectants
• Is the only disinfectant in the world that provides 24 hours of residual efficacy
• Is non-flammable, odorless, colorless, has the lowest toxicity rating of any other disinfectant
• Poses no threat to the environment

http://www.spectrasan.com/find-out-more/touch-surfaces/clinicals/

We are interested in any other products that providers use to compare in our article. Thanks for the input.

[My Daycare]

I have been using 7th generation disinfectant spray. If anyone has any info on that let me know.

I can't wait to read the article. Thanks!

[Golden Rule]

While I read that the Q-128 does sufficiently kills unwanted germs and bacteria our interest in the Spectra24 resolves around it’s non caustic use in the daycare environment. To compare:

The Q-128:

In case of contact, immediately flush with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes. For eyes or skin, call a physician. If swallowed, call a doctor or get medical attention. Do not induce vomiting or give anything by mouth to an unconscious person. Drink promptly a large quantity of milk, egg whites, gelatin solution, or if these are not available, drink large quantities of water. Avoid alcohol.

Ventilation: Use with adequate ventilation.
Eye Protection: Safety glasses are required.
Protective Gloves: Protective gloves are required.
Other Protective Clothing or Equipment: Wear clothing as necessary to prevent skin contact.

http://www.bettymills.com/product_manuals/Franklin/F248022TDS.pdf

The Spectra24:

Non-flammable
Odorless
Colorless
Non-caustic
Non-solvent
• Kills germs 20 times faster than traditional disinfectants
• Is the only disinfectant in the world that provides 24 hours of residual efficacy
• Is non-flammable, odorless, colorless, has the lowest toxicity rating of any other disinfectant
• Poses no threat to the environment

http://www.spectrasan.com/find-out-more/touch-surfaces/clinicals/

We are interested in any other products that providers use to compare in our article. Thanks for the input.

Wow!!! That sounds amazing....is that even in concentrate form?

I know ours has warnings, but once mixed with 128 parts water, risk is minimal.....but yours sounds wonderful!!

Looks like we might be making a few changes....I look forward to reading that!!!!

[sahm2three]

THIEVES HOUSEHOLD CLEANER - 14.4 FL OZ (428 ML)

Thieves household cleaner is an all natural ingredient formulation to distribute the power of therapeutic-grade essential oils while killing germs and bacteria.

It is a superior natural alternative to chemicals and cleans fantastic. The anti-microbial power of Thieves combined with a non-toxic coconut oil based cleaning solution that is safe for your whole family.

Dilute this concentrate as directed to clean dishes, laundry, windows, bathrooms, stains, floors, wood, leather, upholstery, walls, or anything you can think of!

Professional cleaning services are using Thieves Cleaner and receiving feedback from their clients that allergies are easing in their homes and offices. Employees of cleaning services are ill less often as the Thieves Cleaner helps prevent colds and flus and effective in clearing up allergies and sinus issues.

Thieves Cleaner is very gentle on the skin.
Safe for children and pets.

Experience the wonder of Thieves® Household Cleaner, as tough stains and problem areas in your home become simple and easy to clean without using harsh or abrasive chemicals. While bacteria can be dangerous, some industrial cleaners on the market pose an even larger threat to your health. Thieves Household Cleaner is a natural all-purpose concentrate that can be used in every room in your home, without the harsh chemicals. Dilute in a spray bottle or bucket, or use straight for extra strength. Dilution ratios are listed on the label for your convenience.

Dilution Ratios:
Light Degreasing 60:1
Medium Degreasing 30:1
Heavy Degreasing 15:1
Floors 100:1
Walls 30:1
Upholstery, Fabrics, Carpet Spotting 40:1
Carpet 100:1
Glass 320:1
Pots and Pans 100:1
Hand Cleaner 1:1

Notice: Before cleaning upholstery, fabric or carpet, perform a spot test in an inconspicuous location. Discontinue use in the unlikely event of staining or skin irritation. Shake bottle before using for maximum benefit.

Thieves Household Cleaner – price comparison
January 30, 2008 in Aromatherapy, Did You Know?, Find therapeutic grade essential oils, Health and Wellness, Thieves, Thieves Household Cleaner, Young Living, eco-friendly | Tags: Essential Oils, Green Home, Nontoxic Cleaner, Thieves, Thieves Household Cleaner, Young Living

How much does it cost to use Thieves Household Cleaner?

For “regular” degreasing Thieves Cleaner costs 64 cents per quart (32 oz.) when added to water as directed.

For “heavy” degreasing Thieves Cleaner costs $1.27 per quart when added to water as directed.


Thieves Household Cleaner
Other cleaners using 22 oz. bottles as an example:

Formula 409 costs $3.29
Lysol Disinfectant costs $2.89

[Michael]

Wow!!! That sounds amazing....is that even in concentrate form?

I know ours has warnings, but once mixed with 128 parts water, risk is minimal.....but yours sounds wonderful!!

Looks like we might be making a few changes....I look forward to reading that!!!!

Golden Rule - I don't believe it sells in a concentrate.

We are sure that the many other natural disinfectants have killing power. We are also interested in the "after kill" time periods of a product that is non-caustic. It appears many companies use botanical disinfectants based upon Thyme Oil or Coconut Oil. 7th Generation uses Thyme Oil.

Our quest is to find an agent that is non-toxic and yet has a high residual value so to retain resistance to re-infection "after" cleaning.

Here is some more info on the product we are investigating.
White Paper Executive Summary - SpectraSan 24
http://www.spectrasan.com/find-out-more/touch-surfaces/clinicals/

EPA-registered Disinfection Claims

http://www.spectrasan.com/epa-registered-disinfection-claims-2/

[Unregistered]

Bleach alternative

There is an alternative to the bleach solution that is required by law. Bleach is dangerous no matter how diluted it is. "Thieves" Household cleaner is a all natural, essential oil based cleaning solution. Safe to use around children and pets, it is non toxic and environmentally friendly. "Thieves" Household cleaner smells clean and fresh. And it won't ruin clothes. I had to have my two boys in day care so I understand how difficult it can be. We all want the best for our kids and we want them to grow up in a toxin free environment.

[Jewels]

I live in MN, and my county has a form, we can fill out to use a different product other than bleach/water, Just have to have it signed by the county, and available at all times.........I do use the bleach water mix though, When children are around, I only use it, in between diaper changes, and on the toilet seats and handles, Otherwise I do all my cleaning after they leave, I am going to look into the Spectra24 though.

[Unregistered]

Recipe

Look on the center for disease control and they have several recipes for various jobs. Daycares typically use 1/4 per gallon and it is made fresh every day. good luck


AmandasFCC;14045]Just a note about why bleach solutions are used, from our local licensing agency's disinfecting/sanitizing handbook:

Why is bleach generally recommended over other products? Bleach is recommended over other products because it is inexpensive, strong and relatively simple to mix. Bleach is safe to use in day care in the concentrations recommended. The compound breaks up very quikcly and the reactive part is only available for a brief period of time and then forms products (salt and water) that are no longer reactive and are safe if ingested and safe for the environment.

Bleach is easily broken down by light; that is why bleach is sold in solid colour bottles and new solutions must be made every day. Once the bleach is broken down by light and has lost its colour and odour it is no longer useful.

Hope that helps ease your minds a little. My thought is, however, if it's leaving bleach stains on your kid's clothes you may want to check that they're using the proper solution (2 tablespoons of bleach to one gallon of water).[/QUOTE]