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  • Unregistered

    #61
    Ha! Substandard pay? Well then maybe you should find another job! And it is even funnier when you know the policies better than the staff and you have to pull it out on them!


    Originally posted by Unregistered
    Well then i guess your just gonna have to feel ripped off then huh!..........Know you know what a rip off is...............taking care of your children for substandard pay!!!!! I'm entitled to charge for holidays and charge for at least 2 personal days. Its funny how the holidays don't ever seem to be a problem until the week of. Any other providers have this problem. I find myself having to break out the contract over and over again.

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    • GretasLittleFriends
      Daycare.com Member
      • Feb 2009
      • 934

      #62
      It seems I have both ends of the spectrum of state aid parents.

      I have one set who are the (sometimes overly) demanding type. One child seems borderline special needs which can be demanding of itself. Many times I feel like even if I could give these parents the sun and the moon that wouldn't be enough. I've quickly learned to just let it roll off my back, though of course I do call the hubby to vent every so often.

      I have another family, well single mom, who is still in HS and working at a fast food joint. Should qualify for state aid, yet she's on a waiting list. Quite a ways down on the list too. I feel bad for her because she is paying her way, living with her mom, trying to finish H.S. and yet is working to cover her expenses of her not so good decisions made in life. She is very sweet and she apologizes when she hears that her infant (6 weeks old) had a fussy day or whatever. I laugh because it's not her fault, I just thought she should know how baby was so she'd know what to expect for the night. She's the type who is trying to do something positive with her life and could just use a little help getting up that next step.
      Give a little love to a child, and you get a great deal back.

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      • HappyCamper
        Daycare Member
        • Dec 2009
        • 7

        #63
        Just my 2 cents...

        Originally posted by Unregistered
        I just called my daycare provider and although my kids are only going to be there for 2 days for the Thanksgiving holiday, they are going to charge me for the full week. This is a complete rip off! I understand that they need to pay their staff for their vacations and all, but they should factor this into the weekly tuition costs. I am already paying an arm and a leg for substandard care to began with.

        Finding a better daycare is obsolete at this point. I am in Atlanta, GA, and they have horrible daycare centers in this area. My kids are at one of the better centers out of the 4 that I pulled them out of.
        Why is it a rip-off to pay for a full week when your children will only be there two days? The mortgage or rent on the building has to be paid, as well as utilities, staff wages, etc. - REGARDLESS if your child is there or not. Is it really worth griping over a handfull of school closures per year?

        As far as "factoring" holidays into tuition costs... Parents complain about paying $2.00 to $3.00 per hour as it is. I can only imagine your reaction if you were told your tuition rates were to increase to $4.00 per hour to cover Federal Holidays closures. It sounds good "in theory" but I'm guessing you wouldn't think it was such a grand idea if it were to happen.

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        • gbcc
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2009
          • 647

          #64
          Originally posted by HappyCamper
          Why is it a rip-off to pay for a full week when your children will only be there two days? The mortgage or rent on the building has to be paid, as well as utilities, staff wages, etc. - REGARDLESS if your child is there or not. Is it really worth griping over a handfull of school closures per year?

          As far as "factoring" holidays into tuition costs... Parents complain about paying $2.00 to $3.00 per hour as it is. I can only imagine your reaction if you were told your tuition rates were to increase to $4.00 per hour to cover Federal Holidays closures. It sounds good "in theory" but I'm guessing you wouldn't think it was such a grand idea if it were to happen.
          I agree. They complain regardless of how many ways you try to adjust your policies. The kicker is, I bet unregistered mommy gets paid holidays and vacations but doesn't think her daycare provider should.
          Last edited by gbcc; 12-30-2009, 11:43 AM. Reason: typo

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          • HappyCamper
            Daycare Member
            • Dec 2009
            • 7

            #65
            Originally posted by gbcc
            I agree. They complain regardless of how many ways you try to adjust your policies. The kicker is, I bet unregistered mommy gets paid holidays and vacations but doesn't think her daycare provider should.
            I bet she does too... We work long hours for slave wages, yet heaven forbid we get one paid day off per year. LOL!!!

            The fact is, complaining/ungrateful parents and child care go hand in hand. LOL!!! It always amazes me that parents complain to the very people who love, hug, teach, feed, and basically RAISE their precious children. If life were fair, we'd be treated like queens (by the parents), we'd make triple what we do, and we'd receive benefits, sick pay, and paid vacations. But, as you know, we don't always get what we deserve.

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            • mac60
              Advanced Daycare.com Member
              • May 2008
              • 1610

              #66
              Originally posted by gbcc
              I agree. They complain regardless of how many ways you try to adjust your policies. The kicker is, I bet unregistered mommy gets paid holidays and vacations but doesn't think her daycare provider should.
              Amen to this. Why do some parents think we are not deserving.

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              • gbcc
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2009
                • 647

                #67
                Good thing we are professionals and don't go by that saying "you get what you pay for" Those kids wouldn't even eat! To them we are disposable, which is really a shame. We are very important to the child's emotional growth.

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                • mac60
                  Advanced Daycare.com Member
                  • May 2008
                  • 1610

                  #68
                  Originally posted by gbcc
                  Good thing we are professionals and don't go by that saying "you get what you pay for" Those kids wouldn't even eat! To them we are disposable, which is really a shame. We are very important to the child's emotional growth.

                  very well said!

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                  • sweetcinna
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 43

                    #69
                    Originally posted by Unregistered
                    Ha! Substandard pay? Well then maybe you should find another job! And it is even funnier when you know the policies better than the staff and you have to pull it out on them!
                    Yep you heard me right.......Substandard pay! I've been in the daycare field for 16 plus years and don't plan on finding another profession! Maybe you should register and maybe we might just care about what you have to say! Staff??? I have no "staff" sweetcheeks its just me, myself and I!

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                    • Carole's Daycare
                      Daycare Member
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 238

                      #70
                      Originally posted by Unregistered
                      Considering the average home day care provider works an average of 10.5-12 hours/day with no breaks and no lunch to accommodate the varying needs of her clients I find it essential that she get paid for holidays just as any working professional would. I also think it is important that she get paid for vacations otherwise she might not be able to afford to take them. I don't feel it is healthy for anyone to work those hours 5 days a week and to be financially discouraged from taking vacation and holiday time. Do you really want that unhealthy overworked person caring for your child?
                      Thank You!! I work 12 hr days, with often no real break, and have only taken 2 sick days in 8 years. Still I have occasionally heard griping about my standard paid Holidays. I need to be able to budget, so getting paid consistently regardless of attendance, including those few holidays, is what allows me to pay my bills on time and continue to purchase quality curriculum and materials for the children in care. We are expected to throw Holiday parties, provide Christmas gifts , birthday cupcakes- and generally enjoy it, but it does make one feel unappreciated when you have to argue and justify every penny you charge and every hour you take off. My families were unhappy about me taking the Friday off after Thanksgiving as a paid Holiday, until I explained that the clinics are not open any of my other Holidays (4th of July, Christmas Day, Thanksgiving Day, New Years Day, and I had not had a physical in 7 years or managed a dental appt in 2. I made at least that committment to myself and my family that I deserve that and will do it every year. You're daycare is blessed to have a client who understands and values them.

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                      • Carole's Daycare
                        Daycare Member
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 238

                        #71
                        Originally posted by Chickenhauler
                        I can't agree more-not only expecting everything, but abusing the system to boot!

                        Example-one family is alloted XX hours of county paid care per week.....they took the day off from work, dumped the kids at DC, and went deer hunting.

                        I allowed myself to get convinced to work a half day this year on Christmas Eve- I had two moms who said they had to work etc, and tried to be nice. I needed to close at noon because we had put my great grandpa (86) in the assisted living home after falling in the snow and having a close call with hypothermia days earlier, and I promised I'd cook him a turkey dinner and bring it, and my mother in laws ceiling had collapsed in her kitchen while she was at the VA hospital w/ her husband due to a leaky water heater upstairs. Needless to say, I had my hands full taking care of everyone's issues and needed to be done on time. Noon rolled around & 1 family of two still wasnt picked up- the food was ready to go to grandpas and nobody would answer the phone. Two hours later with Grandpas dinner ruined a very happy dad showed up after a great day of ice fishing. Mom had to work, dad just didnt even want to spend a holiday with his kids so multiplied my stress instead. I'll never have the same trust or respect for those parents- because she lied & misled to give him the day off, and he is one who consistently complains about me getting paid holidays, although he gets holidays, sick days etc.

                        Grrrr

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                        • momofboys
                          Advanced Daycare Member
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 2560

                          #72
                          Originally posted by Carole's Daycare
                          I allowed myself to get convinced to work a half day this year on Christmas Eve- I had two moms who said they had to work etc, and tried to be nice. I needed to close at noon because we had put my great grandpa (86) in the assisted living home after falling in the snow and having a close call with hypothermia days earlier, and I promised I'd cook him a turkey dinner and bring it, and my mother in laws ceiling had collapsed in her kitchen while she was at the VA hospital w/ her husband due to a leaky water heater upstairs. Needless to say, I had my hands full taking care of everyone's issues and needed to be done on time. Noon rolled around & 1 family of two still wasnt picked up- the food was ready to go to grandpas and nobody would answer the phone. Two hours later with Grandpas dinner ruined a very happy dad showed up after a great day of ice fishing. Mom had to work, dad just didnt even want to spend a holiday with his kids so multiplied my stress instead. I'll never have the same trust or respect for those parents- because she lied & misled to give him the day off, and he is one who consistently complains about me getting paid holidays, although he gets holidays, sick days etc.

                          Grrrr

                          Wow!!!!!! Unbelieveable! I hope you charged them one heck of a late fee & explained how his lateness affected your family!!!! I would have been so hot under the collar. More than likely I would have been so mad that after I collected their hefty late fee I would have terminated services. How did you handle it? I say I would do the above but I am not sure if I truly would.

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                          • Carole's Daycare
                            Daycare Member
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 238

                            #73
                            I let the Dad know he was supposed to be there by noon, & I thought he was working- he totally blew me off. I confronted Mom the following Monday at drop off and demanded the late fee up front, which she paid, but it was still only $25, which didn't make up for the inconvenience. I told her so and that I was very dissappointed in her for lying/misleading that her hubby was at work. She basically pulled the old he's an ******* and resents paying you for Holidays anyway and she was bullied into it excuse. I said this is your one pass, the next time you'll be terminated. If he wants to go fishing on my Holiday he can get grandma to watch or something. She said she felt bad that I was hurt by it she thought he'd pick up on time or send Grandma to do it. I've always really liked her & she pays on time w/ no trouble, usually picks up on time- works for the Postal Service, which is why I agreed to work Christmas Eve to begin with. Now that I'm very clear on how her spouse feels about me and behaves I made it clear there will be -0- excuses or problems in the future because that was beyond inconsiderate. We'll see.

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                            • MarinaVanessa
                              Family Childcare Home
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 7211

                              #74
                              Originally posted by CharlesReese

                              Just saying, “you get paid holidays why shouldn’t we” is not an valid argument.
                              Hmm but in this argument we could also say that why should your work pay you on a holiday like Thanksgiving or Christmas if you don't work? Isn't that the same thing? Lot's of businesses are closed on these days and if what you are saying is true then why should anyone anywhere get paid for holidays if they are not working. Unethical? I think not. Everyone gets vacation time and paid sick time no matter where you work. Some places it's based on how much time you put in and in others it's a set amount of time (i.e. two-weeks). Providing child care is also a job. Unfortunately child care providers are looked at as babysitters too often than not and we are more than just that. This is our career. We work long hours without state mandated rest periods and meal breaks and we do it because we love it.

                              Not all providers charge the same, expect the same things, do the same things or provide the same kind of care. We charge what we think we are worth and it is up to the parent to decide whether they think it's worth that much and pay it. Some providers offer vacation time, some don't. Some offer maternity leave, some don't. All in all what I am saying is that it is up to us to ask for what we want and up to the parent's to decide if our daycare fits their needs or not. If a parent doesn't like how a daycare works there are others that may suit their needs. We have a right to say "this is what I expect" and parents have a right to say "I don't agree".

                              I myself, allow myself 2 weeks of vacation and don't expect pay. I also allow for each family to take 2 weeks off without pay. I do however, charge a flat weekly rate and a daily drop-in rate. My weekly rate is lower than my drop-in rate when you break it down hourly. I also offer a discount of paid monthly in advance. If a child doesn't come, they still pay for the week. Before I had my own daycare I paid someone to watch my child and it worked the same. It is normal for child providers to conduct business this way because no matter how you dice it, it is a business and no one runs a business if they're not going to make money off of it. We have higher food bills, utility bills, our homes suffer from higher wear and tear and we have to consider that in our fees.

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                              • DWTC
                                Daycare.com Member
                                • Jul 2010
                                • 35

                                #75
                                Originally posted by seashell
                                If you are not happy with paying for your providers holidays, then find a new provider. I am amazed at the parents out there who don't read the documents presented to them and then complain.

                                You need to pay the entire cost to rent a hotel room . . . you can't just pay for the hours you are in the room. It's still your room from the time you sign the register until you check out.

                                I don't charge my parents for my sick days or vacation. I do charge for holidays as most providers do.

                                But to make it "Fair" to parents and providers alike, lets try it this way. Parents, you don't have to pay for holidays but you do have to pay your provider at least minimum wage. Federal minimum wage is currently $6.65 per hour and will be 7.25 per hour in July. So to make it easy, lets just call it $7 per hour.

                                So, if you leave your child with your provider for 40 hours a week at $7 per hour your weeky fee would be $280.00.

                                I wonder how many of you are paying alot less than minimum wage when you break it down by hour?


                                Considering the great service they provide you. You child is loved, happy, educated and well cared for. That isn't even worth minimum wage to you?

                                Most providers care for kids because they enjoy it. They arn't out to screw parents. If they were, you'd be paying more than minimum wage per hour. So whats the compromise for affordable weekly care? Be considerate and appreciative and pay for holidays!
                                LOL!! This is funny...let's really figure this out if you want to consider minimum wage.
                                Let's say you are only open 40 hours per week at $7 an hour equaling $280.00 per week. And let's say you have 5 children in your care...so really that would only be $56 per child...per week. That would be really affordable!!! ::

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