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Most teachers get a paid salary. So when they are sick they still get paid, if they have a snow day they do have to make the day up in some instances but they still get paid the same amount regardless of how much or how little they work that week. Usually their payment is spread out over the whole year. No disrespect to teachers, there are 2 in my family & I know when school is in session it's a lot of work but considering they have 7-8 weeks off in the summer (usually longer than this but I know they also have prep work to do before school starts) & usually 2 weeks at Christmas that is pretty good pay for not working.
So indirectly they are still paid. When there is a snow day they don't deduct a day of pay. I'm pretty sure teachers' unions would not permit that!Comment
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the only time I don't charge is if I'm taking the day off. I had surgery and took a week off to heal, I didn't charge for that week, if I take a vacation, I don't charge...but if a parent takes their kid home early, decides to have a mommy/baby day, and for days like Christmas, Thanksgiving, etc, then I charge unless the day falls on a weekend, like Christmas was on Saturday last year, I didn't charge because I wouldn't have been watching the kids anyway.
everyone is different, and no way is right or wrong, what counts is whether or not you agree with the providers rules, no one forced you to sign on the dotted lineComment
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My, you sound like a provider who really doesn't like parents or children... Maybe time to find a new profession? I am a healthcare professional and think it is completely fair to provide my childcare provider for the same paid holidays that most other professionals receive.. These would be Christmas, Thanksgiving, etc.. But, we had one who wanted paid time off for every school vacation day, including the 2 weeks off at Christmas paid! This is an extreme hardship on parents who must pay "double" and find someone else to cover those days. Many of these parents aren't lucky enough to be getting ANY paid holidays of their own... Of the ones who are, only parents who happen to be school teachers are getting as many paid holidays as this childcare provider. (We found someone new). If this woman wants so many paid holidays she should go back to college and get a teaching degree.[/QUOTE]
It sounded more like she was frustrated by parents that are unappreciative of a good provider. Listen, there are all sorts of providers out there both good and bad, effective and ineffective. The bottom line is that when you sign up it's important to ask the questions that would be most important to you and the fact that days off didn't come up is an indication that you were more concerned with other things. Maybe now it's become an issue and that happens. There are a varied amount of providers (as you'll read) with varied policies. In the end, it's up to the provider to decide and we do that based on what our expenses are..and some of us have more expenses than others. We have staff, food, utilities, insurance costs, curriculum costs, staff and personal training costs (in NY we are mandated to continue trainings even with a MA!!) cleaning services etc... Many work 11 and 12 hour days (think about your center hours) doing a really tough job. It's not easy to care for a bunch of little children each day trying to ensure their safety and well being, their health and their development. The frustration comes because when parents penny pinch, it comes across as inconsiderate, selfish and ungrateful. By the way, I do have a degree and am a certified teacher. I opted for this because I believe education starts here. Additionally, when your child goes to school, the same will be required. You will either pay for private school, even during school closings, and there are many!! OR you will pay for care during those times and many of us see ourselves as more than "babysitters" but preschools. "By the way, if this woman wants to be paid for so many holidays she should go back to school and get a teaching degree" .... I don't have to get a job in a school to get days off!! I can do whatever I want - as did your old childcare provider. And while I only close one week a year, don't take many days off and I do have subs if I get sick (although I never have!) the bottom line is it's really not your place to make those sorts of comments or judgments. We do teach. We are teachers at our OWN schools and you not knowing what the policies are about days off - well that's your problem ..and I guess your child's. ..I mean now that they're probably getting substandard care..DAILY because they're open all the time.Comment
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Healthcare "Professional",
Wanted to let you know that MANY of the providers here were also Healthcare Providers BEFORE we went into daycare. As a matter of fact there are many here with Master's and, I suspect, one or two with Doctorates.
Most, that I know, opened home daycares/centers because the hours/dedication required were not conducive to raising a family and we made the CHOICE to create our own jobs to solve that issue. I, myself, plan to be back in the field in 5 more years as my kids are teens, now.
Just like the patients choice of going to a level one ER or a Doc-in-the-box at the local strip mall, daycare has it's professional levels of service. And in the exact same way, you get what you pay for and are treated as you treat the staff. I am sorry you feel it is unfair, but do you really feel it is fair to charge $22 for two Tylenol in the hospital? Some things just ARE.....and usually for the same reasons.
My personal policy is that if I am open: they pay, if I am closed: they don't. I do that because I have three kids and know it gets expensive. It is a courtesy, since NONE of the centers near me do that. Believe it or not, I had parents complaining that I was OPEN during the snowstorm. They don't feel they should have to pay me since they "could not get here". We had barely 6 inches of snow and the roads were clear by 10 am each morning. :
: I had breakfast/art projects ready and waiting and they all did the "no call-no show" thing....WHY should I give them a discount??? It really is IMPOSSIBLE to please everybody. ::
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I am not sure about "most companies".
In the economy, there is clearly a trend to hire hourly employees who only get paid for the hours they work with few or no benefis. This means everyone who works in 7-11s all the way to high end Information Technology contract positions. FTE is shrinking, hourly "temp" positions are growing.
Legally, day care providers are independent contractors. What they get paid is stated in each individual contract. If there is enough leverage and you are in the right area, you can negotiate a good contract. Otherwise, not.
OTOH, I do perfectly understand business needs of the daycare.
It costs whatever it costs. So no matter how you slice it, you have to pay that cost. Either annually, monthly, weekly, daily or hourly. If hourly, then the rate has to reflect the costs. Paying weekly is just a little easier to deal with than writing a 4-digit montly check, maybe. Or maybe not.
Whether one gets say 7 days of sick time or holidays or bad weather, it will have to be made up via higher hourly or daily/weekly rates. It just really depends on your local economy, if it allows the leverage to do that. Usually it's a buyer's market but not everywhere it seems.Comment
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Absoulotely it is legal! As providers we are only allowed to take in so many children as per law. What you are paying for is a slot not just the service. Most parents get both paid sick days and paid holidays...why should a provider not recieve the same? Also please keep in mind that most providers can not afford to take holidays if they are unpaid. Which means these providers would not be taking holidays and working straight through every year. Do you really want a worn out provider taking care of your child?
If you do not want to pay for days that your child is not attending or holidays it would probably be in your best interest to look for a daycare that offers such.Comment
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I do not feel that she sounds like a provider who really doesn't like parents or children or that she needs to find a new profession. To be honest I think it is just rude of you to state that! I take paid stat holidays and 1 week of paid holidays in the summer and 2 weeks of paid holidays at christmas. I work VERY hard and I am VERY good at my job and I absoulotely deserve these holidays. If any parent disagreed with this I would simply ask them to find childcare else wheres. All of my clients at the moment are just fine paying over my holidays and some of them even give me credit for doing so.
If you don't want to pay for holidays though there are providers out there that do not charge...however it is not fair to knock us professionals that do!Comment
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I hear you, Former Teacher.
I want to know where I can find a precious to keep for a ton of money
Throw me in that briar bush....
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yeah this whole argument needs to just die....forever. If you don't like your daycare situation, FIND SOMETHING ELSE! no one is holding you hostage to keep your kid there. If this is the best situation you can find then stop complaining and just accept it as it is. There is NO way that a provider could keep every family happy on each thing.
Totally different topic but why should I reduce my rates just because the economy is bad? Would someone else turn down a promotion just because every one else didn't get one? I understand everyone has hard times during life but does Walmart reduce prices just for you because your hours got cut back? I absolutely hate the arguments about daycare costing so much. Kids ARE expensive, deal with it.Comment
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Ok I realize this is old, but seriously!!!!!!?????????
I disagree wholeheartedly with this statement about being money hungry.
In comparison, lets just look at the numbers....
Daycare provider charges $25/child/day....this includes their food, snacks, milk, juice, toilet flushes, toilet paper, soap to wash dishes, soap to wash their hands, cleaning products to keep everything clean so dear dcc doesn't get sick, energy costs associated with equipment, cooking etc, personal chef, personal caterer, butt wiper, friend, and i can go on and on and on. We also make sure we feed dck's healthy, well balanced meals, not kraft dinner or hot dogs everyday. And lets also consider that the approximate amount of food each child will eat per day is $4.27 off of the $25/day.
Right now I have 2 dck's who I charge 25/day for 1 and 22/day for the other.... that's less than $50/ day I make for my 11 hour day (because they are staggered arrival/departure times..... After factoring the food costs associated with your child, plus all the overhead, how much are us daycare providers truly making???? $5/day? $10/day? For more than a 12 hour day once you factor in all the clean up and prep work before and after daycare hours.
Alot of parents make different money at work, but lets go on a wage a lot of people I know make (and yes i do realize that many work for less than this) @ $25/hr for an 8 hour work day, that's $200/day! Is it REALLLLLLY worth all these negative comments about daycare providers who charge and having to find backups, and blah blah blah.
We are not money hungry, if we were, we would charge ALOT MORE!
It really bothers me when posters on here state how we make so much money, and this and that. We do this job because we love it, and we want to offer our home out to your child. Not because we are money hungry.Last edited by dEHmom; 06-24-2011, 06:09 AM.Comment
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LOL! It's just a troll looking for a reaction! Hit your internal ignore button! ::
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