Homeschooling - German Police Storm Home, Take Children By Force

[sleepinghart]

(Familycare71 quote)"Yes I agree- the government needs to focus on all the illegal immigrants rather than this one family who was already approved to be here. No matter how one feels it should be dealt with it needs to be dealt with!" (end quote)

~...Yes, exactly! It's crazy...It just doesn't make any sense....to me anyway (shrugs).

I don't get the above statements. Do you mean that this case should be ignored because there are cases of illegal immigrants pending or there are illegals who haven't been dealt with in the system? Couldn't the government be doing both simultaneously (which I think they are)?

It is two different situations. There is a national debate, as well as in Congress about illegal immigrants and what to do about it, it has been going on forever it seems. As far as I know, there has been no conclusion yet but I'm not a news junkie anymore like I used to be so there could be some progress.

Then this Romeike case which is a case of asylum not of illegal immigrants. I don't get how the two are connected.

Laurel

(Laurel quote)"Do you mean that this case should be ignored because there are cases of illegal immigrants pending or there are illegals who haven't been dealt with in the system?"(end quote)

~No.

(Laurel quote)"Couldn't the government be doing both simultaneously..?"(end quote)

~Yes.

(Laurel quote)"this Romeike case which is a case of asylum not of illegal immigrants(end quote)

~Yeah, that's why I didn't say too much about it as that's all I had to say.

(Laurel quote)"I don't get how the two are connected"(end quote)

~They may or may not be, but you're right....It isn't an issue here .

[Familycare71]

"Romeike, his wife Hannelore, and their children live in a modest duplex about 40 miles northeast of Knoxville while they seek political asylum here. They say they were persecuted for their evangelical Christian beliefs and homeschooling their children in Germany, where school attendance is compulsory.


When the Romeikes wouldn't comply with repeated orders to send the children to school, police came to their home one October morning in 2006 and took the children, crying and upset, to school.


"We tried not to open the door, but they (police) kept ringing the doorbell for 15 or 20 minutes," Romeike said. "They called us by phone and spoke on the answering machine and said they would knock open the door if we didn't open it. So I opened it."


Romeike, like many conservative parents in the U.S., said he wanted to teach his own children because his children's German school textbooks contained language and ideas that conflicted with his family's values.


He had to pay fines equivalent to hundreds of dollars for his decision, and he's afraid that if he returns to Germany, police will arrest him and government authorities will take away his children, who range in age from 11 to 3".


~Respectfully Snipped From & Read more at: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...#ixzz2dl8KtSlL




“This is not over yet,” said Michael Farris, founder and chairman of HSLDA. “We are taking this case to the Supreme Court because we firmly believe that this family deserves the freedom that this country was founded on. Despite Friday’s order, the Sixth Circuit’s opinion contains two clear errors: First, they wholly ignored Germany’s proclamation that a central reason for banning homeschooling is to suppress religious minorities. Second, the Sixth Circuit erred when it failed to address the claim that parental rights are so fundamental that no government can deny parents the right to choose an alternative to the public schools.”

The Romeike family faces thousands of dollars in fines and possible jail time if they return to Germany. HSLDA contends that this is grounds for a well-founded fear of persecution that would grant them asylum under U.S. law. The Justice Department, however, claims that the Romeikes are being punished under a generally applicable law, and the Sixth Circuit agreed".

~Respectfully Snipped From:

http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/2013/201307150.asp

~Hi Familycare71! Were these all of the links you were looking for, or did you want some on the other cases I mentioned too? If so, just let me know and I'll be glad to get you what you need .

(Familycare71 quote)"I can't imagine they were granted asylum in the first place if there wasn't a threat beyond sending their children to school""(end quote)

~Yep. That original ruling says a whole lot about this case period and point blank, doesn't it.

(Familycare71 quote)"Yes I agree- the government needs to focus on all the illegal immigrants rather than this one family who was already approved to be here. No matter how one feels it should be dealt with it needs to be dealt with!" (end quote)

~...Yes, exactly! It's crazy...It just doesn't make any sense....to me anyway (shrugs).

That's great thank you!!!
I agree- there just has to be a threat if they were granted asylum originally-

[Familycare71]

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I don't get the above statements. Do you mean that this case should be ignored because there are cases of illegal immigrants pending or there are illegals who haven't been dealt with in the system? Couldn't the government be doing both simultaneously (which I think they are)?

It is two different situations. There is a national debate, as well as in Congress about illegal immigrants and what to do about it, it has been going on forever it seems. As far as I know, there has been no conclusion yet but I'm not a news junkie anymore like I used to be so there could be some progress.

Then this Romeike case which is a case of asylum not of illegal immigrants. I don't get how the two are connected.

Laurel

(Laurel quote)"Do you mean that this case should be ignored because there are cases of illegal immigrants pending or there are illegals who haven't been dealt with in the system?"(end quote)

~No.

(Laurel quote)"Couldn't the government be doing both simultaneously..?"(end quote)

~Yes.

(Laurel quote)"this Romeike case which is a case of asylum not of illegal immigrants(end quote)

~Yeah, that's why I didn't say too much about it as that's all I had to say.

(Laurel quote)"I don't get how the two are connected"(end quote)

~They may or may not be, but you're right....It isn't an issue here .

You guys are great at quotes! Me not so much!
I guess what I am saying is this family is here legally and for, IMO, a good just cause. I do not know of the funds going into fighting this asylum case that was already looked at and approved but I am sure there is better $ and manpower to be spent.
Someone did their jobs and approved asylum- it to me is a waste of funds and energy by the government as a whole.
Yes- I think it would be better for the $ and manpower to be used to deal with people who are here illegally. But you are correct- they are essentially two diff issues - sorry if I muddied the waters

[Laurel]

(Laurel quote)"Do you mean that this case should be ignored because there are cases of illegal immigrants pending or there are illegals who haven't been dealt with in the system?"(end quote)

~No.

(Laurel quote)"Couldn't the government be doing both simultaneously..?"(end quote)

~Yes.

(Laurel quote)"this Romeike case which is a case of asylum not of illegal immigrants(end quote)

~Yeah, that's why I didn't say too much about it as that's all I had to say.

(Laurel quote)"I don't get how the two are connected"(end quote)

~They may or may not be, but you're right....It isn't an issue here .

You guys are great at quotes! Me not so much!
I guess what I am saying is this family is here legally and for, IMO, a good just cause. I do not know of the funds going into fighting this asylum case that was already looked at and approved but I am sure there is better $ and manpower to be spent.
Someone did their jobs and approved asylum- it to me is a waste of funds and energy by the government as a whole.
Yes- I think it would be better for the $ and manpower to be used to deal with people who are here illegally. But you are correct- they are essentially two diff issues - sorry if I muddied the waters[/QUOTE]

Below is from one of the articles I referenced earlier in this thread. Below is the excerpt and the article you can find it in.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/16/german-christian-home-schooling-romeike-family-loses-us-asylum-bid_n_3283575.html

"An immigration judge in Tennessee granted the Romeikes’ bid in 2010, but the Board of Immigration Appeals tossed that ruling in 2012, arguing that religious home-schoolers don’t face any special consequences that aren’t applied to other families whose children don’t attend school."

I think you are saying that the money wasn't well spent because you felt the original judge was correct in his decision. But appeals are part of our system. If one and only one judge's decision was enough to produce justice then why have our system with appeals? Our system doesn't always get it right no matter how high of a court you go to but there is more chance to be fair with appeals. It takes money but to me the money is worth it. Just saying....

I'm not good at quoting, I just got lucky! I can quote partial ones but not multiple ones.

To do a partial one you just hit quote and then go into the message and erase the parts you are not referencing. I hope that makes sense.

Laurel

[Laurel]

See I screwed up that quote. I didn't get your part in the blue box! Lol!

Laurel

[Familycare71]

See I screwed up that quote. I didn't get your part in the blue box! Lol!

Laurel

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[Michael]

Pushing this back up.

[Play Care]

I agree. It seems a bit much to me too.

I had a rude awakening one time when I believed a newspaper article.

In our area there was a baby who died of SIDS while in a home daycare. Well a newspaper article said that the provider was watching too many children illegally. It doesn't seem like she did anything wrong as far as this particular baby though. It was his first day.

I wrote a letter to the editor wondering why parents who brought their children to her did so knowing she had so many. I wrote that they had to know when they saw all the children that something wasn't right. Well, that evening the dad of the baby who died called me regarding my letter. When I saw his last name on the caller I.D. I was very hesitant to answer but did. He was very nice but told me the REST of the story. It turns out she was hiding them when parents arrived. He was very nice and my heart was breaking for him.

From then on though, I never believed anything I read. Well I do a little but I try to read more than one source before I decide. I also notice inconsistencies like you do.

I read articles from the conservative paper, the liberal one and what I consider to be pretty objective which is ABC news. Even putting them all together, it seems there is more to this story than is reported. I saw no evidence that it had anything to do with the administration. In fact, one article said the administration said they wouldn't comment on this court case.

Laurel

[sleepinghart]

(Laurel quote)"Do you mean that this case should be ignored because there are cases of illegal immigrants pending or there are illegals who haven't been dealt with in the system?"(end quote)

~No.

(Laurel quote)"Couldn't the government be doing both simultaneously..?"(end quote)

~Yes.

(Laurel quote)"this Romeike case which is a case of asylum not of illegal immigrants(end quote)

~Yeah, that's why I didn't say too much about it as that's all I had to say.

(Laurel quote)"I don't get how the two are connected"(end quote)

~They may or may not be, but you're right....It isn't an issue here .

You guys are great at quotes! Me not so much!
I guess what I am saying is this family is here legally and for, IMO, a good just cause. I do not know of the funds going into fighting this asylum case that was already looked at and approved but I am sure there is better $ and manpower to be spent.
Someone did their jobs and approved asylum- it to me is a waste of funds and energy by the government as a whole.
Yes- I think it would be better for the $ and manpower to be used to deal with people who are here illegally. But you are correct- they are essentially two diff issues - sorry if I muddied the waters

~Hey FamilyCare! I hope you are well today! ...Just to let you know, because you said something about the quotes, that first quote, in the box, in your post that says "originally posted by sleepinghart"(it doesn't show up here in my post, but it does in your post #33 above*), that's not my quote-- I think it's Laurels-- My post/quote starts up under that blue box with the blue & black lettering. It's no problem whatsoever, I just wanted to make sure you knew that it was not me making that comment to you just in case there was any confusion.

[sleepinghart]

You guys are great at quotes! Me not so much!
I guess what I am saying is this family is here legally and for, IMO, a good just cause. I do not know of the funds going into fighting this asylum case that was already looked at and approved but I am sure there is better $ and manpower to be spent.
Someone did their jobs and approved asylum- it to me is a waste of funds and energy by the government as a whole.
Yes- I think it would be better for the $ and manpower to be used to deal with people who are here illegally. But you are correct- they are essentially two diff issues - sorry if I muddied the waters

Below is from one of the articles I referenced earlier in this thread. Below is the excerpt and the article you can find it in.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/16/german-christian-home-schooling-romeike-family-loses-us-asylum-bid_n_3283575.html

"An immigration judge in Tennessee granted the Romeikes’ bid in 2010, but the Board of Immigration Appeals tossed that ruling in 2012, arguing that religious home-schoolers don’t face any special consequences that aren’t applied to other families whose children don’t attend school."

I think you are saying that the money wasn't well spent because you felt the original judge was correct in his decision. But appeals are part of our system. If one and only one judge's decision was enough to produce justice then why have our system with appeals? Our system doesn't always get it right no matter how high of a court you go to but there is more chance to be fair with appeals. It takes money but to me the money is worth it. Just saying....

I'm not good at quoting, I just got lucky! I can quote partial ones but not multiple ones.

To do a partial one you just hit quote and then go into the message and erase the parts you are not referencing. I hope that makes sense.

Laurel

~It's no problem about the quotes. So, this is not directed at my answer as quoted then? ..And about getting the quotes in the blue box like you just said in another post earlier, it's not just you, it's doing it to some of mine too like this one. I keep going back to look at what mistake I may have made, because there are usually a couple of things like beginning to type inside the "[/QUOTE]" that causes this, but I can't find one:confused:. I believe Michael fixed my last one that went awry.

[Familycare71]

~Hey FamilyCare! I hope you are well today! ...Just to let you know, because you said something about the quotes, that first quote, in the box, in your post that says "originally posted by sleepinghart"(it doesn't show up here in my post, but it does in your post #33 above*), that's not my quote-- I think it's Laurels-- My post/quote starts up under that blue box with the blue & black lettering. It's no problem whatsoever, I just wanted to make sure you knew that it was not me making that comment to you just in case there was any confusion.

:: I did get confused!! But it's a pretty easy walk for me! . Thanks for the clarification!
I am doing pretty well. Hope you are too!!

[Willow]

Score another point for socialism.....just one more example of how the Obama administration believes we as people are too stupid to govern ourselves and our own families.

I never knew public education was forced upon families in Germany. Shame those in power here are so supportive of such oppression when the very foundation of our country has and should always be FREEDOM.

[Blackcat31]

~It's no problem about the quotes. So, this is not directed at my answer as quoted then? ..And about getting the quotes in the blue box like you just said in another post earlier, it's not just you, it's doing it to some of mine too like this one. I keep going back to look at what mistake I may have made, because there are usually a couple of things like beginning to type inside the [/QUOTE that causes this, but I can't find one:confused:. I believe Michael fixed my last one that went awry.

You are correct about the [/QUOTE] needing to be at the end of a quote but you also need a [QUOTE=Laurel;384514] for the beginning of the quote in order for it to work.

Hope that makes sense.....

I made the example blue simply as a reference. Also, whomever you are quoting is the user name that appears within the brackets.

[Play Care]

Score another point for socialism.....just one more example of how the Obama administration believes we as people are too stupid to govern ourselves and our own families.

I never knew public education was forced upon families in Germany. Shame those in power here are so supportive of such oppression when the very foundation of our country has and should always be FREEDOM.

But, but, this case has nothing to do with Obama. :confused: The family was granted asylum and then lost asylum based on appeals. I don't think that they should have ever been granted asylum in the first place - as they don't even meet the legal criteria. This case is not about homeschooling in the US. I think if someone wants to make a case for homeschooling or school vouchers then they need to find another "poster child."
If I recall correctly the article Laurel posted pointed out that the family can go to any other nation in the EU that allows homeschooling to live. It certainly would be much closer to their home/family then the US.
I imagine the majority of Germans are happy with the system that they have voted in place and probably wonder why the Americans have to stick their noses in yet another countries business

[Laurel]

But, but, this case has nothing to do with Obama. :confused: The family was granted asylum and then lost asylum based on appeals. I don't think that they should have never been granted asylum in the first place - as they don't even meet the legal criteria. This case is not about homeschooling in the US. I think if someone wants to make a case for homeschooling or school vouchers then they need to find another "poster child."
If I recall correctly the article Laurel posted pointed out that the family can go to any other nation in the EU that allows homeschooling to live. It certainly would be much closer to their home/family then the US.
I imagine the majority of Germans are happy with the system that they have voted in place and probably wonder why the Americans have to stick their noses in yet another countries business

Laurel