Day Care Not Refunding Money

[Cradle2crayons]

First of all, the OP never said the child had frequent colds.

Second of all, not all kids have any sign of a cold before or during an ear infection.

My daughters was caused by allergies.

[msmegandc]

Most doctors suggest kids be placed in a daycare setting as it helps them build immunities! My daughter, too, had 3 sets of ear tubes due to chronic ear infections. She now rarely gets sick because ahe was around kids in her infant/toddler/preschool ages. Apparently, that specific doctor hasn't a clue what he's talking about!

[Crystal]

And how might one go about treating a cold so it does not lead to ear infection in a child?

I was going to leave this alone, but seriously people. As providers, we know ear infections happen at a higher rate when kids are exposed to germs in daycare. The doctor likely suggested this to the parents, and told them they might have fewer instances if the child was removed. I don't disagree with the idea that this helps build a child's immunity. However, to laugh and degrade this person for having these concerns is a bit much.

And for the record, tubes are not the end of everything. There is cost, surgery, maintenance, and possible loss of the tubes. They also do not help all children and can cause scar tissue on the eardrums.

The real issue is how the parents need to handle the daycare center's policy and contract. I don't disagree that they signed it, and need to follow it. But the disrespect is a bit ridiculous.

Where did anyone "degrade" the OP? Other than me saying "haha, just when you think you've heard it all" no one said anything out of line. My remark was in response to the parent CLEARLY looking for a way out of paying for not giving notice. Honestly....THAT is what she was after, and we all know it.

That being said, you're right, tubes aren't the end all, cure all, BUT if your child is having frequent, recurring infections that are EXTREMELY painful, then why not try to alleviate that. IME of having NUMEROUS children with tubes....the "viruses" that they caught that "caused" the ear infections STOPPED almost immediately after getting tubes. The ear/nose/throat is all connected and the tubes made it possible to prevent ALL of the symptoms that would normally lead up to an ear infection in the children I have worked with. And, personally, I'd rather deal with the "cost, maintenance and possible loss of tubes" than the cost, time and possible side effects and built up resistance to antibiotics that treating recurring infections entails.

I'm not sure about ear infections occurring at a higher rate in daycare as opposed to those who do not attend daycare. Do you have a link to some sort of study or something that proves that? IDK....my son was never in daycare and had many, many infections. The day he got tubes put an end to it and he suffered no more. Same with several other children I know.

And, yes, tubes fall out. This typically happens as the child gets older and the formation of the ear canal changes. It doesn't "usually" happen until then and "usually" by then, the child doesn't need them anymore.

[Blackcat31]

I'm not sure about ear infections occurring at a higher rate in daycare as opposed to those who do not attend daycare. Do you have a link to some sort of study or something that proves that? IDK....my son was never in daycare and had many, many infections. The day he got tubes put an end to it and he suffered no more. Same with several other children I know.

Interesting info here: http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/hear...nfections.aspx

Ways to prevent ear infections
"Don’t allow sick children to spend time together. As much as possible, limit your child’s exposure to other children when your child or your child’s playmates are sick."

Also OP may be Hispanic or Native American and the article says that certain ethnic groups get ear infections at a higher rate than others.
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"Young children who attend large day care facilities suffer more respiratory and ear infections as toddlers than kids who spend their days at home, but develop fewer such illnesses during their grade-school years, a new study suggests." (http://www.livescience.com/9098-kids...nfections.html)

[Cradle2crayons]

Where did anyone "degrade" the OP? Other than me saying "haha, just when you think you've heard it all" no one said anything out of line. My remark was in response to the parent CLEARLY looking for a way out of paying for not giving notice. Honestly....THAT is what she was after, and we all know it.

That being said, you're right, tubes aren't the end all, cure all, BUT if your child is having frequent, recurring infections that are EXTREMELY painful, then why not try to alleviate that. IME of having NUMEROUS children with tubes....the "viruses" that they caught that "caused" the ear infections STOPPED almost immediately after getting tubes. The ear/nose/throat is all connected and the tubes made it possible to prevent ALL of the symptoms that would normally lead up to an ear infection in the children I have worked with. And, personally, I'd rather deal with the "cost, maintenance and possible loss of tubes" than the cost, time and possible side effects and built up resistance to antibiotics that treating recurring infections entails.

I'm not sure about ear infections occurring at a higher rate in daycare as opposed to those who do not attend daycare. Do you have a link to some sort of study or something that proves that? IDK....my son was never in daycare and had many, many infections. The day he got tubes put an end to it and he suffered no more. Same with several other children I know.

And, yes, tubes fall out. This typically happens as the child gets older and the formation of the ear canal changes. It doesn't "usually" happen until then and "usually" by then, the child doesn't need them anymore.

Same experience with me.

[Crystal]

Interesting info here: http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/hear...nfections.aspx

Ways to prevent ear infections
"Don’t allow sick children to spend time together. As much as possible, limit your child’s exposure to other children when your child or your child’s playmates are sick."

Also OP may be Hispanic or Native American and the article says that certain ethnic groups get ear infections at a higher rate than others.
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"Young children who attend large day care facilities suffer more respiratory and ear infections as toddlers than kids who spend their days at home, but develop fewer such illnesses during their grade-school years, a new study suggests." (http://www.livescience.com/9098-kids...nfections.html)

Good info. Thank you. I agree that children are more likely to get sick when they are around sick kids.....that is just common sense. However not ALL of those children suffer ear infections. Some are just more prone to them than others and I believe that that can occur anywhere, not just in daycare. I think parents bring home viruses from work and being in public, exposing their children, just as easily as a child in daycare might expose them. Haha, I wonder if there is a study on that?! ! Also note, as I stated in my OP.....her child will suffer less illness and miss less school in grade-school if she CONTINUES to attend daycare.

[Blackcat31]

THE EAR TUBE CONTROVERSY

While ear tubes do have their place in treating recurrent ear infections, there does exist some controversy over their use.

Please note that ear tubes don't always prevent ear infections. Some children will still get as many infections even with the tubes in, but the fluid drains out right away.

http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/parenting/childhood-illnesses/ear-infections

The site also lists removing your child from group child care as a way to prevent or stop ear infections.

[youretooloud]

The Doctor may be willing to pay your month notice. Have you asked him?

Exactly.

Your doctor is an idiot. He might fall for this.

I feel bad that the OP was made to think that taking her child out of daycare will prevent her child from "catching" ear infections. The colds she is catching from the other kids can obviously cause ear infections, but the doctor should not have made her feel like it was a reason for immediate daycare removal.

I hate when doctors use scare tactics on parents.

I had one who tried to terrorize me into getting my kids the chicken Pox vaccine, even though they both had already had the virus. THey even had the scars to prove it, but this guy was relentless about it. I was not happy.

[msmegandc]

Most doctors suggest kids be placed in a daycare setting as it helps them build immunities! My daughter, too, had 3 sets of ear tubes due to chronic ear infections. She now rarely gets sick because ahe was around kids in her infant/toddler/preschool ages. Apparently, that specific doctor hasn't a clue what he's talking about!

[Blackcat31]

Good info. Thank you. I agree that children are more likely to get sick when they are around sick kids.....that is just common sense. However not ALL of those children suffer ear infections. Some are just more prone to them than others and I believe that that can occur anywhere, not just in daycare. I think parents bring home viruses from work and being in public, exposing their children, just as easily as a child in daycare might expose them. Haha, I wonder if there is a study on that?! ! Also note, as I stated in my OP.....her child will suffer less illness and miss less school in grade-school if she CONTINUES to attend daycare.

oh ALL viruses come from daycare, don't ya know? :: NO other germs exist in the universe.

I wish ALL parents could see the benefit of early exposure.

It really is better in my opinion.

[Angelsj]

Where did anyone "degrade" the OP? Other than me saying "haha, just when you think you've heard it all" no one said anything out of line. My remark was in response to the parent CLEARLY looking for a way out of paying for not giving notice. Honestly....THAT is what she was after, and we all know it.

They were looking for that, yes, and I spoke to that as well. However, the entire tone of the posts was snarky and putting the parent down for even THINKING the child could catch ear infections. It was not just one person, but the tone of the thread. (not everyone, but many posts)

A simple explanation on what the ear infection is and how it is caused would have been more helpful. The doctor likely did tell the parent they would get fewer ear infections by not attending day care. Who used the word "catch" is questionable, and the OP obviously has some language issues with English.

As BlackCat posted, the simple fact is ear infections DO increase in child care settings. It is also true that they get germs from other places as well, but kids in child care get more ear infections than kids who are not.
Personally, I believe it is ok for them and builds their immunity. Without the tone of smugness in the posts, we might have gently made that point in a way that kept the child in care and helped the parent understand ALL their options.

[BABYLUVER21]

yes contract says i have to give one month notice. But now that i have to give them one month notice, i am ready to send my daughter to the day care for one more month but if she contracts ear infection again will the day care take the responsibility for it.

Ear infections are not "caused' by the daycare. They are caused by bacteria and viruses, usually after a cold, sinus infection or cough or even swimming.

As a parent, you have an absolute right to take your kids out of daycare for any reasons but if you expect a refund, you shouldn't. The dcp wasn't breaching any contract with you simply because your kid is prone to infections.

Additionally, if it's REALLY that much of a concern, like the doctor thinks it really is your DCP's fault and you believe that nonsense, WHY on EARTH would you bring your child back just to finish out the month simply because you paid? If I felt my child wasn't safe somewhere, I'd remove them and I'd leave the money situation alone UNLESS I could confirm actual intentional abuse (where I'd still remove my child, but would ask for any payments I paid back).

[blandino]

And how might one go about treating a cold so it does not lead to ear infection in a child?

I was going to leave this alone, but seriously people. As providers, we know ear infections happen at a higher rate when kids are exposed to germs in daycare. The doctor likely suggested this to the parents, and told them they might have fewer instances if the child was removed. I don't disagree with the idea that this helps build a child's immunity. However, to laugh and degrade this person for having these concerns is a bit much.

And for the record, tubes are not the end of everything. There is cost, surgery, maintenance, and possible loss of the tubes. They also do not help all children and can cause scar tissue on the eardrums.

The real issue is how the parents need to handle the daycare center's policy and contract. I don't disagree that they signed it, and need to follow it. But the disrespect is a bit ridiculous.

I should have specified, replace colds with "untreated snotty, infected, noses". All DCP have seen these go on and on for days and days with parents who do nothing about it.

Clearly, there is no cure or thing parents can do for colds, but snotty noses that last for weeks should be taken care of.

[tjones34]

[QUOTE=Blackcat31;359520]oh ALL viruses come from daycare, don't ya know? :: NO other germs exist in the universe.

I had a parent tell me that she was taking her child out of my care because My dog gave him asthma. Said her dr told her he was allergic to dogs and that more than likely he got asthma from the dog. .
Mind you he had been wit me for 2 years....crazy folks

[Childminder]

I had a parent tell me that she was taking her child out of my care because My dog gave him asthma. Said her dr told her he was allergic to dogs and that more than likely he got asthma from the dog. .
Mind you he had been wit me for 2 years....crazy folks

Actually a child can develop allergies at any age. My child was three when he started having asthma attacks and developed allergies to cats, dogs, mold, etc...so we had to give our pets away and my son could no longer eat cheese, pickles, dried fruit or anything else that was dried or fermented.