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wasn't she in "morally" in the wrong too?.. by not accommodating to my right as a parent to go to work while she watches my son at the times i told her he would be there(my work schedule)? daycare centers are for children that need to be watched while their parent(s) are at work. don't ask the parents to give you their work schedules if it's not something you plan on going by as your schedule as well..... you are there at the parents expense so the parent knows their child is taken care of while they are away.. if you are not going to be reasonable about a 8-5 job, then perhaps you are in the wrong profession
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Can you tell me which LIC form states the permission to transport? I have never seen this on the forms.
not trying to argue with you, but I have been doing DC in CA for 10 years in which all 10 years I have transported and never once have I ever been asked by state LIC for any information regarding my auto insurance.
Now I have been asked by LIC if I have insurance in regards to the affidavit regarding liability insurance for family child care home.Comment
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I completely understand where you are coming from. I was just curious why. It sounds like there was some communication break down some where.
I agree with you that what she did was wrong. I would also be mad if someone did something that they knew that I was not ok with. The fact alone she knew you were not ok with it from the start is what baffles me. If the provider knew this, then she should have said, sorry it does not seem like we are a good fit for each other, because I will need to transport your child in order for me to attend my sons games....
Sorry you are going through this....Comment
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It is on the back of the emergency card. It specifically states:
I Give__________________ And/or his/her adult assistant caregivers permission to take my child on field trips as part of the Family Child Care Home program. Some of these trips may be by car. Seat belts and.or carseats will be used.Comment
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It is on the emergency card for the parent to sign if they agree to allow the parent to transport. If that is not signed by the parent then the provider CANNOT transport. If you transport they can and will check to make sure you have liability insurance to cover transporting children
Sorry about hijacking this thread...I understand things continually change in CA. However, I just had licensing come out to my home last July and told me nothing about this emergency card with transportation info.
The licensing forms I was advised and given copies of are the following:
Lic 700 Identification and Emergency Information
Lic 9150 Receipt of Parent Notification
Lic 995A Acknowledgement of Parent's Rights
Lic 627 Consent for Medical Treatment
Immunization records- Blue card
None of these have anything pertaining to authorizing transportation. I have had licensing ask about whether I transport and even had them have to wait till I came home from picking up kids at school, so it has been discussed numerous times by various licensing analysts.
I totally understand both sides of this issue. I personally would have never have agreed to take a family that would not allow me to transport their child and years ago, I have had families decide not to use me when I advised them I took kids to and from school.Comment
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So, you were told that your son needed to be picked up by 4, and did not pick him up. Many daycare centers would have called Social Services when you did not pick up your son when the daycare closed for the day (at 4). Instead, this woman just took your son with her to her family event. You should thank her for continuing to care for your son AFTER her business closed for the day. I know a non-profit center in my town that gives you 15 minutes after pickup time to pick up your child (at $5 per minute), after 15 minutes, the Child Protection Officers arrive to pick up your child.
If you had a problem with transport, in my opinion, you should have enrolled your child somewhere that did NOT want permission to do so. I understand your frustration that you feel your wishes were ignored, but you should not have assumed that failing to sign a permission slip conveyed your wishes, nor that it was acceptance by the provider of your wishes.
I am no attorney, but I would guess that since you gave no notice, you're going to be sued for 4 weeks tuition, and will probably lose.Comment
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It is on the back of the emergency card. It is called "field trip authorization" If that is not signed by the parent, then the provider CANNOT transport the child, period. I have been doing this for 16 years and it has been there since the day I started.It is on the emergency card for the parent to sign if they agree to allow the parent to transport. If that is not signed by the parent then the provider CANNOT transport. If you transport they can and will check to make sure you have liability insurance to cover transporting children
Sorry about hijacking this thread...I understand things continually change in CA. However, I just had licensing come out to my home last July and told me nothing about this emergency card with transportation info.
The licensing forms I was advised and given copies of are the following:
Lic 700 Identification and Emergency Information
Lic 9150 Receipt of Parent Notification
Lic 995A Acknowledgement of Parent's Rights
Lic 627 Consent for Medical Treatment
Immunization records- Blue card
None of these have anything pertaining to authorizing transportation. I have had licensing ask about whether I transport and even had them have to wait till I came home from picking up kids at school, so it has been discussed numerous times by various licensing analysts.
I totally understand both sides of this issue. I personally would have never have agreed to take a family that would not allow me to transport their child and years ago, I have had families decide not to use me when I advised them I took kids to and from school.Comment
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Ok, now you have me worried I am missing something here in my files....(btw, I just had an inspection last month and passed with flying colors)
I am looking at all forms from state. LIC 702 and LIC 700. I do not see on either one where it says anything about the permission to transport or not...
Sorry to go off track, but I think that this is important for us all to know....Comment
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Ditto on this.....perhaps things may differ by county???It is on the emergency card for the parent to sign if they agree to allow the parent to transport. If that is not signed by the parent then the provider CANNOT transport. If you transport they can and will check to make sure you have liability insurance to cover transporting children
Sorry about hijacking this thread...I understand things continually change in CA. However, I just had licensing come out to my home last July and told me nothing about this emergency card with transportation info.
The licensing forms I was advised and given copies of are the following:
Lic 700 Identification and Emergency Information
Lic 9150 Receipt of Parent Notification
Lic 995A Acknowledgement of Parent's Rights
Lic 627 Consent for Medical Treatment
Immunization records- Blue card
None of these have anything pertaining to authorizing transportation. I have had licensing ask about whether I transport and even had them have to wait till I came home from picking up kids at school, so it has been discussed numerous times by various licensing analysts.
I totally understand both sides of this issue. I personally would have never have agreed to take a family that would not allow me to transport their child and years ago, I have had families decide not to use me when I advised them I took kids to and from school.Comment
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I'm sorry Crystal, I'm not in any way trying to argue with you here ... just trying to understand what you are saying. Are you talking about LIC 700? Identification and Emergency Information form - the part that says "NAMES OF PERSONS AUTHORIZED TO TAKE CHILD FROM THE FACILITY
(CHILD WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE WITH ANY OTHER PERSON WITHOUT WRITTEN AUTHORIZATION FROM PARENT OR AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE)"
I am asking because when I have been to licensing meetings or spoken to my licensor it was never discussed to use the form in this way. The way that I understood it was that people that were friends/family of the client were to be written there in the LIC 700 form and that for liability purposes if we wanted to transport children then we should have a separate form signed for this. I was even given a generic form from licensing in a packet that we could use (like a sample).
This is interesting if I can simply have all of my clients add my name to the Emergency Information card and that would be sufficient ... it would make it less of a hassle for me than having a separate form. I'll check with my office, this is great to know.
As to OP, I think that it is very negligent of the provider to take the child without written consent. The provider did not have written consent to take the child with her and regardless of whether the parent forgot to sign it or did not sign it on purpose you have to go by what is written. If the contract says nothing about what would happen if they do not sign a consent form then the provider could possibly be held in contempt of contract because the parent did not sign a form. (my contract says that a transportation consent form is required and if one is not signed and we need to use vehicle transportation then the parent can choose to not have the child attend for the day with no credit for the absence), I am assuming that no such clause exists in the contract.
Why have a form if you are not going to enforce the signing of it? Even if the provider made the parent aware and uses a consent to transport form if the parent does not sign it then the provider can't take the child off of the premises. If the provider requires one to be signed and the parent does not then it is the responsibility of the provider to make sure that one is signed BEFORE they remove the child from the property or, if the parent refuses to sign one, terminate the contract.
Providers, think if it this way: You have a consent form to take photos that you give to all clients so that you can take photos and use them as advertising on FB, your website etc. One client doesn't sign the form, just leaves it blank but never discusses with you that he/she feels uncomfortable with you taking photos and sharing them etc. No discussion is held. You don't know if the parent doesn't like the idea or if the client just simply forgot. The form remains blank. Does that make it ok for you to take photos of the child anyway and use them for advertisement?
If I had a client that I did not make sure that I had a consent form signed for and I had an important function to go to or field trip and no signed form and the parent of that child was unable to leave work in time to get the child before we left ... it's my fault and I'd be stuck having to stay with the child until the child got picked up. I would never leave the house with another person's child without written consent. I would however be peeved (at myself and probably at the parent if I had spoken to the parent previously about having the form signed) but I would not take the child. The next day I'd have the parent sign the consent form or give a termination notice.Comment
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in the parents defense, I don't think it was ok for the provider to give a one day advance notice that pick up needed to take place at an earlier time than normal.
I also do not think it was ok for the provider to take the child to the game knowing that the mother did not want her child transported.
If she was a good provider, she would have had her daughter stay with the child or she herself would have stayed with him.
I do agree that they should not have gone into a daycare arrangement together because this was an issue from the start....Comment
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If I had a client that I did not make sure that I had a consent form signed for and I had an important function to go to or field trip and no signed form and the parent of that child was unable to leave work in time to get the child before we left ... it's my fault and I'd be stuck having to stay with the child until the child got picked up. I would never leave the house with another person's child without written consent. I would however be peeved (at myself and probably at the parent if I had spoken to the parent previously about having the form signed) but I would not take the child. The next day I'd have the parent sign the consent form or give a termination notice:hug::hug::hug:
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