Personal Visitor at Daycare

[QualiTcare]

It sounds as though the OP and the provider reached an understanding, so that is all good.

As for the rest of it...

If, as a parent, you want that kind of control, you need to go to a center or hire a nanny. As I see it, you make certain trade-offs when you choose home daycare as opposed to center or nanny care. Most of those trade-offs benefit the parent and the child...lower rates, less turnover, more one on one attention. SOME of the trade-offs benefit the provider...the ability to choose who attends, make the rules, do a load of laundry, or God forbid, visit with a friend.

Unfortunately, one of the problems I see with SOME parents who have children in home daycare is that they are looking to have ALL of the benefits but without the cost. In other words, they want all the trade-offs to benefit them. They say it is under the guise of being a good parent, however it's really quite clear that this is a power issue. They want the power to make the rules and become frustrated when a provider refuses to relinquish control of thier business practices. Nothing more than your everyday control freak.

The same applies to providers who consistently berate other providers, holding themselves up as the standard to which all others should struggle to attain. Really good providers have no need to do this; really good providers are able to support other providers and still feel good about themselves as business people and caregivers. Confident providers don't need to make every parent believe that they are the very best provider by agreeing with them unconditionally and at the expense of thier (the providers) peers. There is no need to list off thier accomplishments and degrees, no need deny the possibility of human error or oversight on thier part, no need to turn in others on the assumption that they aren't licensed or may be in some SLIGHT violation. Truthfully, it is sad when you meet a provider like this, clearly much of thier self esteem and confidence is wrapped up in a goal that isn't attainable. We will all make mistakes, we will all have the occassional error in judgement or decide that a family is too much of a hassle. Most of us can handle that and still feel good about the job we do and how we do. Those that can't spend lots of time telling others what they do wrong and make up stories to illustrate thier points...sad, sad, sad.

ever heard the phrase, "nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent" - or something like that.

it's TRUE.

i think if one of them thar degreed people were talking about how to climb a tree, someone would bring up education.(sorry, i still laugh bout people here saying they were "degreed")

in my experience, and hearing mentors and peers experiences as well, daycare providers in real life are intimidated by providers, teachers, parents or anyone educated in early childhood. i don't see why it would be any different in this forum - and it doesn't seem to be.

it would be intimidating to do a job for several years and then have someone come along with experience and 4 years of college because you KNOW they are pretty much an expert in whatever field it may be (at least they should be). knowing they're watching you, etc. i'm sure it's not comfortable. however, it doesn't mean that person should pay for your (or whoever's) insecurities. if you want a degree in early childhood, then get one. if you don't, then keep on doing what you're doing and MOVE ON!!

crystal, unfortunately, you're never going to escape the label. i realize that education is mentioned because it's a credential which is just as good as a SOURCE that some people DEMAND anytime a statement is made.

if i asked a lawyer a question (who went to law school) i wouldn't ask him to cite his source when i got the answer. if you asked me a question about development or teaching, i'd think you wouldn't ask me for a SOURCE for my answer. i know the answers because they were implanted in my brain after 4 years - go find your own source. seriously people, it's beyond obvious and a little sad what the motive is for the petty stuff.

[jen]

ever heard the phrase, "nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent" - or something like that.

it's TRUE.

i think if one of them thar degreed people were talking about how to climb a tree, someone would bring up education.(sorry, i still laugh bout people here saying they were "degreed")

in my experience, and hearing mentors and peers experiences as well, daycare providers in real life are intimidated by providers, teachers, parents or anyone educated in early childhood. i don't see why it would be any different in this forum - and it doesn't seem to be.

it would be intimidating to do a job for several years and then have someone come along with experience and 4 years of college because you KNOW they are pretty much an expert in whatever field it may be (at least they should be). knowing they're watching you, etc. i'm sure it's not comfortable. however, it doesn't mean that person should pay for your (or whoever's) insecurities. if you want a degree in early childhood, then get one. if you don't, then keep on doing what you're doing and MOVE ON!!

crystal, unfortunately, you're never going to escape the label. i realize that education is mentioned because it's a credential which is just as good as a SOURCE that some people DEMAND anytime a statement is made.

if i asked a lawyer a question (who went to law school) i wouldn't ask him to cite his source when i got the answer. if you asked me a question about development or teaching, i'd think you wouldn't ask me for a SOURCE for my answer. i know the answers because they were implanted in my brain after 4 years - go find your own source. seriously people, it's beyond obvious and a little sad what the motive is for the petty stuff.

Uhmmmm...actually, I am one of "them thar degreed" people. However, when someone (outside of a future client) asks me about daycare, I don't go out of my way to mention it.

[QualiTcare]

Uhmmmm...actually, I am one of "them thar degreed" people. However, when someone (outside of a future client) asks me about daycare, I don't go out of my way to mention it.

so you have an early childhood degree? that's what i was talking about.

it really wouldn't matter if someone with a teaching degree went to work with a bunch of engineers......for example.

but if a chef goes to work at mcdonald's, or a teacher at a daycare....yes. it DOES affect the crew.

[momofboys]

so you have an early childhood degree? that's what i was talking about.

it really wouldn't matter if someone with a teaching degree went to work with a bunch of engineers......for example.

but if a chef goes to work at mcdonald's, or a teacher at a daycare....yes. it DOES affect the crew.

Really, must we continue to harp on & on about our degrees & knowledge & la de da?! What difference does it make whether she has a degree in English or Communications or History or ECE? The important thing is that she does have the higher education that you constantly seem to rant on & on about your clients being willing to pay extra for. I guess her degree isn't good enough since it isn't EC? I for one have never felt inferior b/c I have a degree (and shame on me that it is not EC, ?!). For the record I think all regular posters on here seem to be wonderful providers whether they have a degree in ECE, English, etc or a degree in nothing. You mentioned it not mattering if the teacher went to work with engineers. Obviously though her education enabled her to get the job as a engineer. So yes, it would matter if she did so b/c it shows how versatile people with education can be. And I would be willing to bet that any daycare center would snatch up anyone with a Bachelor or Arts or Bachelor of Science regardless of the major they had. I know at the preschool center where my son attended they proudly mentioned that the head teacher had a BA. . . but it was NOT was in ECE!

[Crystal]

ever heard the phrase, "nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent" - or something like that.

it's TRUE.

i think if one of them thar degreed people were talking about how to climb a tree, someone would bring up education.(sorry, i still laugh bout people here saying they were "degreed")

in my experience, and hearing mentors and peers experiences as well, daycare providers in real life are intimidated by providers, teachers, parents or anyone educated in early childhood. i don't see why it would be any different in this forum - and it doesn't seem to be.

it would be intimidating to do a job for several years and then have someone come along with experience and 4 years of college because you KNOW they are pretty much an expert in whatever field it may be (at least they should be). knowing they're watching you, etc. i'm sure it's not comfortable. however, it doesn't mean that person should pay for your (or whoever's) insecurities. if you want a degree in early childhood, then get one. if you don't, then keep on doing what you're doing and MOVE ON!!

crystal, unfortunately, you're never going to escape the label. i realize that education is mentioned because it's a credential which is just as good as a SOURCE that some people DEMAND anytime a statement is made.

if i asked a lawyer a question (who went to law school) i wouldn't ask him to cite his source when i got the answer. if you asked me a question about development or teaching, i'd think you wouldn't ask me for a SOURCE for my answer. i know the answers because they were implanted in my brain after 4 years - go find your own source. seriously people, it's beyond obvious and a little sad what the motive is for the petty stuff.

thank you. I appreciate your support. always have, always will

[QualiTcare]

Really, must we continue to harp on & on about our degrees & knowledge & la de da?! What difference does it make whether she has a degree in English or Communications or History or ECE? The important thing is that she does have the higher education that you constantly seem to rant on & on about your clients being willing to pay extra for. I guess her degree isn't good enough since it isn't EC? I for one have never felt inferior b/c I have a degree (and shame on me that it is not EC, ?!). For the record I think all regular posters on here seem to be wonderful providers whether they have a degree in ECE, English, etc or a degree in nothing. You mentioned it not mattering if the teacher went to work with engineers. Obviously though her education enabled her to get the job as a engineer. So yes, it would matter if she did so b/c it shows how versatile people with education can be. And I would be willing to bet that any daycare center would snatch up anyone with a Bachelor or Arts or Bachelor of Science regardless of the major they had. I know at the preschool center where my son attended they proudly mentioned that the head teacher had a BA. . . but it was NOT was in ECE!

so, it's okay to harp on education as long as the harping is meant to make fun of someone (crystal) ?

you SHOULDNT feel inferior - that was my point - people talking about her "tearing people down." only YOU can let someone tear you down. surely everyone here has more confidence than that.

umm, i'm sure your son's preschool would be happy to hire someone with a degree, even if it was a degree in underwater basket weaving - considering the STANDARDS are a GED or HS diploma. i personally don't see a point in an ECE degree unless you plan to teach or work as a director somewhere that actually requires it, but that's JMO.

i need a disclaimer message at the bottom of every post apparently.

[jen]

so you have an early childhood degree? that's what i was talking about.

it really wouldn't matter if someone with a teaching degree went to work with a bunch of engineers......for example.

but if a chef goes to work at mcdonald's, or a teacher at a daycare....yes. it DOES affect the crew.

I never made fun of Crystal nor did I bring up education...YOU did!

My degree is in psychology...and they do sort of insist on child development, family theory, behavioral analysis, and a host of other things that pertain to being a daycare provider.

But you know what...I could do my job just as well without my degree...many, many parents and providers do just fine without one. I refuse to believe that my degree makes me any more qualified than anyone else with common sense, a love of children, and the means and ability to seek information from other sources.

[QualiTcare]

I never made fun of Crystal nor did I bring up education...YOU did!

My degree is in psychology...and they do sort of insist on child development, family theory, behavioral analysis, and a host of other things that pertain to being a daycare provider.

But you know what...I could do my job just as well without my degree...many, many parents and providers do just fine without one. I refuse to believe that my degree makes me any more qualified than anyone else with common sense, a love of children, and the means and ability to seek information from other sources.

ok, let's beat around the bush some more. everyone knows who certain people are talking about because she has a fan club - that's obvious. "there's no need to list off accomplishments or degrees, blah blah" you did say that....

but you are right about not needing to list anything off - it can be said one time and that's considered too much and apparently is ammunition for some reason.

i've seen several posts where her "accomplishments and degrees" are mentioned without her doing anything other than give her opinion. if it isn't a big deal to anyone, could've fooled me.

i'm done - the end - continue talking amongst yourselves.

[mac60]

OMG.....this USED to be a fun and inviting place to come.....not anymore. Seriously, a degree, means a person took the time to go to college, did the work, and got a piece of paper in the end. Doesn't mean they are any better than anyone else because of it. Would you rather go to a mechanic with 10 years experience who doesn't hold a degree, or go to a mechanic with no experience who just received his piece of paper. I know which one I would choose. Experience beats degree in my book any day.........

[momofboys]

so, it's okay to harp on education as long as the harping is meant to make fun of someone (crystal) ?

you SHOULDNT feel inferior - that was my point - people talking about her "tearing people down." only YOU can let someone tear you down. surely everyone here has more confidence than that.

umm, i'm sure your son's preschool would be happy to hire someone with a degree, even if it was a degree in underwater basket weaving - considering the STANDARDS are a GED or HS diploma. i personally don't see a point in an ECE degree unless you plan to teach or work as a director somewhere that actually requires it, but that's JMO.

i need a disclaimer message at the bottom of every post apparently.

For the record my comments were not directed at Crystal, in fact I never read back that far. My comments were directed at YOU, that was why I quoted you.

[momofboys]

OMG.....this USED to be a fun and inviting place to come.....not anymore. Seriously, a degree, means a person took the time to go to college, did the work, and got a piece of paper in the end. Doesn't mean they are any better than anyone else because of it. Would you rather go to a mechanic with 10 years experience who doesn't hold a degree, or go to a mechanic with no experience who just received his piece of paper. I know which one I would choose. Experience beats degree in my book any day.........

ITA w/you! That was the point I was trying to make. I'm sick of all this "degree" talk. I would pick you hands-down b/c you have the experience, definitely not based upon a degree.

[nannyde]

I never made fun of Crystal nor did I bring up education...YOU did!

My degree is in psychology...and they do sort of insist on child development, family theory, behavioral analysis, and a host of other things that pertain to being a daycare provider.

But you know what...I could do my job just as well without my degree...many, many parents and providers do just fine without one. I refuse to believe that my degree makes me any more qualified than anyone else with common sense, a love of children, and the means and ability to seek information from other sources.

I'm confused as why Crystal is coming up in Qualiti posts. I don't think you were reffering to her when you were talking about degrees/education. From what I can see of the population that posts on this forum, Crystal is in the middle of the spectrum for both education and experience.

I do think having a degree does contribute to success for a child care provider. For those of us that have degrees it's a little hard to imagine what we would have done without it.

I have friends who have a high school education and some college but no degrees. One is a Center Director of two centers, one is a home provider in her 31st year, one in their 27th year. They have been successful without having advanced education. It's surely possible. I think the attributes you listed: common sense, a love of children, and the means and ability to seek information from other sources PLUS a good strong work ethic makes for a good provider.

[jen]

I'm confused as why Crystal is coming up in Qualiti posts. I don't think you were reffering to her when you were talking about degrees/education. From what I can see of the population that posts on this forum, Crystal is in the middle of the spectrum for both education and experience.

I do think having a degree does contribute to success for a child care provider. For those of us that have degrees it's a little hard to imagine what we would have done without it.

I have friends who have a high school education and some college but no degrees. One is a Center Director of two centers, one is a home provider in her 31st year, one in their 27th year. They have been successful without having advanced education. It's surely possible. I think the attributes you listed: common sense, a love of children, and the means and ability to seek information from other sources PLUS a good strong work ethic makes for a good provider.

I was a bit confused as well...but thats nothing new! LOL! ::

[Crystal]

Personally, I appreciate the fact that Qualitcare picked up on the fact that the post in question was directed at me. I knew it was, I just chose not to make an issue of it. In one post, some time ago, I did mention my education, as someone had mentioned that an education isn't necessary and doesn't provide you with anything othr than a "piece of paper" I then listed some things that my education has allowed me to accomplish.

Ever since then, some members have assumed that that meant that I think I am better than others here. And, many times when I am involved in a discussion where there is disagreement, then it is thrown in my face that I apparently think I am better, I bash others, etc.

I DO NOT think I am better than anyone else, and I don't bash other providers. I simply state my personal beliefs/values/philosophy/opinion, just as anyone else here, yet on many occasions I have been "spoken to" as if I am the only person here who ever does such a thing. Qualitcare just happens to realize what is happening.

I am not bothered by it....as you can see, it has not deterred me from being an active, productive member of this forum. I personally do not care what is thought of me. I am who I am, and always will be.

[Crystal]

The same applies to providers who consistently berate other providers, holding themselves up as the standard to which all others should struggle to attain. Really good providers have no need to do this; really good providers are able to support other providers and still feel good about themselves as business people and caregivers. Confident providers don't need to make every parent believe that they are the very best provider by agreeing with them unconditionally and at the expense of thier (the providers) peers. There is no need to list off thier accomplishments and degrees, no need deny the possibility of human error or oversight on thier part, no need to turn in others on the assumption that they aren't licensed or may be in some SLIGHT violation. Truthfully, it is sad when you meet a provider like this, clearly much of thier self esteem and confidence is wrapped up in a goal that isn't attainable. We will all make mistakes, we will all have the occassional error in judgement or decide that a family is too much of a hassle. Most of us can handle that and still feel good about the job we do and how we do. Those that can't spend lots of time telling others what they do wrong and make up stories to illustrate thier points...sad, sad, sad.

So, if this wan't specifically directed at me, the only provider in this thread who has disagreed with you, specifically, then who was it aimed at? I'm calling bs. Everything in this post is in reference to something I have said in the last, geez, 6 months.