Daycare Provider Paid Time Off

[sahm1225]

THIS IS THE THREAD THAT NEVER ENDS
YES IT GOES ON AND ON MY FRIENDS!
SOMEBODY STARTED POSTING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS
AND THEY'LL COMTINUE POSTING IT FOREVER JUST BECAUSE

THIS IS THE THREAD THAT NEVER ENDS
(Sing it with me! :: )
YES IT GOES ON AND ON MY FRIENDS
SOMEBODY STARTED POSTING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS
AND THEY'LL COMTINUE POSTING IT FOREVER JUST BECAUSE...

(THANK YOU Sherri Lewis and Lambchop RIP!)

Love this! And now I can't get the song out of my head!

[danoh0429]

Self-employed!

I've been a LDC provider for a couple years now and I can tell you I would NEVER expect a family to pay me for my vacation/sick days. Its a part of being self employed. There are many perks to being self-employed, like being able to take time off whenever you need it, or closing early if you have too and being your own boss, but you should not expect PTO from families. I have my DCP pay me for holidays, only if it falls during their normal week, and of course if they go on vacation or cancel bc their child is sick, then they still pay, but if I am sick, or take days off, I do not expect to be paid for this. Just seems a little ridiculous if you ask me.

[Blackcat31]

I've been a LDC provider for a couple years now and I can tell you I would NEVER expect a family to pay me for my vacation/sick days. Its a part of being self employed. There are many perks to being self-employed, like being able to take time off whenever you need it, or closing early if you have too and being your own boss, but you should not expect PTO from families. I have my DCP pay me for holidays, only if it falls during their normal week, and of course if they go on vacation or cancel bc their child is sick, then they still pay, but if I am sick, or take days off, I do not expect to be paid for this. Just seems a little ridiculous if you ask me.

That's the beauty of being self-employed.

YOU can do what works for YOU.

*hint* notice the word YOU?

YOU don't have to expect parents to pay you but don't diss those that do adopt that practice. :confused:

There is a right fit for every family and it's up to each family to do their research and find a provider that has policies they can work with.

Just because you find it ridiculous doesn't mean others do too...

[AmyKidsCo]

That's the beauty of being self-employed.

YOU can do what works for YOU.

*hint* notice the word YOU?

YOU don't have to expect parents to pay you but don't diss those that do adopt that practice. :confused:

There is a right fit for every family and it's up to each family to do their research and find a provider that has policies they can work with.

Just because you find it ridiculous doesn't mean others do too...

LOLOL!

I just skimmed through page 2 here to get to the end so I could post the same thing.

The beauty of family child care is that we can each run our business as we see fit (within licensing rules, etc).

The other beauty of family child care is that parents can look around until they find a program that fits what they want.

Different doesn't mean wrong or bad, it just means different.

[Leigh]

I've been a LDC provider for a couple years now and I can tell you I would NEVER expect a family to pay me for my vacation/sick days. Its a part of being self employed. There are many perks to being self-employed, like being able to take time off whenever you need it, or closing early if you have too and being your own boss, but you should not expect PTO from families. I have my DCP pay me for holidays, only if it falls during their normal week, and of course if they go on vacation or cancel bc their child is sick, then they still pay, but if I am sick, or take days off, I do not expect to be paid for this. Just seems a little ridiculous if you ask me.

They're not paying me for my days off-they're paying me a yearly tuition. I DO take days off, but since they don't pay by the day, it doesn't affect their tuition. I don't find it ridiculous at all. And the perks you mention? I had WAAAAAY more perks when I was in the corporate world (and way more time off, too-I worked 135 days a year at my last job, and made more than triple what I make now). The biggest perk in my current job is that I make my own rules. And my rules say that you don't get a refund because of a day off, no matter whose day off it is.

[Unregistered]

Paid time off for daycare provider

I have a child at inhome daycare. I pay her 3 weeks vacation and 3 sick days. She deserves more than that. She works longer hours than all us parents and frankly her job is far more important than mine. My child loves going to her house. She is one of the most influential people in his life. He spends over 8 hours a day with her. And I'm happy that my child is happy. If you don't think your childcare provider deserves that than go to a center where your kid may just be a number. If you don't understand the importance of the job and service they provide than I feel sorry for your children.

[Blackcat31]

I have a child at inhome daycare. I pay her 3 weeks vacation and 3 sick days. She deserves more than that. She works longer hours than all us parents and frankly her job is far more important than mine. My child loves going to her house. She is one of the most influential people in his life. He spends over 8 hours a day with her. And I'm happy that my child is happy. If you don't think your childcare provider deserves that than go to a center where your kid may just be a number. If you don't understand the importance of the job and service they provide than I feel sorry for your children.

I am sure your provider values you as a client tremendously.
NOT because you pay her time off but because you see the value in it.

[Unregistered]

You're wrong!!

As a daycare provider, why can't we take paid vacation? You do.

This is not the same situation. You're right, as an employee, my employer grants me paid vacation based on how long I've been employed. But, if we hired a service provider such as a consultant, we would not pay them to go on vacation. We would pay them for their billable hours. Daycares should have billable hours.

Think of it as any other owner ran business. If the business is closed for the day, they are sacrificing the income that may have normally been provided that day.

A daycare provider makes their decision when they decide to become self employed. They (as the company) are responsible for paying themselves and their employees vacation time - not me as the customer. The daycare rates are not direct payroll to the provider. They cover payroll, operating costs, etc. If the business is ran properly, payroll should still be able to be covered if the provider is on vacation. Collecting fees when no service is provided is just greedy - and actually unlike any other business situation.

[hwichlaz]

According to my smart meter....my utilities do go down about 35-40% if I work outside the home....just saying.


If I'm not here, the heat and AC aren't on. The only things running when I'm not home are the fridge and hot water heater.

[Blackcat31]

Collecting fees when no service is provided is just greedy - and actually unlike any other business situation.

Yep. 'Cuz we are all millionaires....

It's crazy how much money we earn!! I have no idea why everyone isn't opening a daycare of their own!! ::::

Calling us greedy?? Meh...Maybe in your eyes but that says more about you than it does about providers in general.

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[Rockgirl]

This is not the same situation. You're right, as an employee, my employer grants me paid vacation based on how long I've been employed. But, if we hired a service provider such as a consultant, we would not pay them to go on vacation. We would pay them for their billable hours. Daycares should have billable hours.

Think of it as any other owner ran business. If the business is closed for the day, they are sacrificing the income that may have normally been provided that day.

A daycare provider makes their decision when they decide to become self employed. They (as the company) are responsible for paying themselves and their employees vacation time - not me as the customer. The daycare rates are not direct payroll to the provider. They cover payroll, operating costs, etc. If the business is ran properly, payroll should still be able to be covered if the provider is on vacation. Collecting fees when no service is provided is just greedy - and actually unlike any other business situation.

Sounds like you've got it all figured out. You should open a daycare, implementing your ideas of how a daycare *should* operate!

[daycarediva]

This is not the same situation. You're right, as an employee, my employer grants me paid vacation based on how long I've been employed. But, if we hired a service provider such as a consultant, we would not pay them to go on vacation. We would pay them for their billable hours. Daycares should have billable hours.

Think of it as any other owner ran business. If the business is closed for the day, they are sacrificing the income that may have normally been provided that day.

A daycare provider makes their decision when they decide to become self employed. They (as the company) are responsible for paying themselves and their employees vacation time - not me as the customer. The daycare rates are not direct payroll to the provider. They cover payroll, operating costs, etc. If the business is ran properly, payroll should still be able to be covered if the provider is on vacation. Collecting fees when no service is provided is just greedy - and actually unlike any other business situation.

Oy vey can we please stop rehashing this thread?

I assume you have a childcare arrangement without paid time off for your provider, right? Then why are you complaining? If you signed a contract- you agreed to the policies. If not, go elsewhere.

IF I charged parents more to cover my paid time off, and decreased rates for the days off, it would end up costing THEM significantly more, even $1/day is more $ than paying for the time off that I take.

[Leigh]

This is not the same situation. You're right, as an employee, my employer grants me paid vacation based on how long I've been employed. But, if we hired a service provider such as a consultant, we would not pay them to go on vacation. We would pay them for their billable hours. Daycares should have billable hours.

Think of it as any other owner ran business. If the business is closed for the day, they are sacrificing the income that may have normally been provided that day.

A daycare provider makes their decision when they decide to become self employed. They (as the company) are responsible for paying themselves and their employees vacation time - not me as the customer. The daycare rates are not direct payroll to the provider. They cover payroll, operating costs, etc. If the business is ran properly, payroll should still be able to be covered if the provider is on vacation. Collecting fees when no service is provided is just greedy - and actually unlike any other business situation.

I charge the same way a school does: Yearly tuition. I don't get a refund or discount over winter break-I still have to pay. If school is closed, I still pay. I figure out what I need for the year and give my clients options on making payments. I still need the same $XXXX per year to operate my business. If a client REALLY didn't want to pay for my days off, I'd just take that $XXXX that I charge, and divide it by 49 weeks instead of 52. The cost is the same either way.

We have a snow removal service that charges by the month. No snow? We pay. Snow every day? We pay the same. There are MANY businesses that operate this way. If a person doesn't like that, WHY are they signing a contract with such a business?

[Meeko]

"Collecting fees when no service is provided is just greedy - and actually unlike any other business situation.

Really? Wow...you're lucky!

You only pay a car payment depending on the days you actually drive?! You don't owe if you are sick in bed?! I have to pay the same monthly amount regardless!

You get a refund on your cable bill if you don't watch TV one night?! I have to pay a set monthly fee!

You only pay your gym by the hour? Around here, folks pay a monthly fee whether they use the gym or not!

You get a reduction in your internet fees if you don't log on one day?! Wow...around here, it's a set fee regardless of how much you use it!

You are very lucky to only have to pay for what you actually use at any given time!

Daycares charge a flat monthly fee just like MANY other business's.

I am glad that I have wonderful daycare parents who actually appreciate the care I give their little ones and GLADLY give me a few days off with pay so I can relax and do my job better after a break. If I wasn't paid, I couldn't afford to take any time off and would be tending children while burnt out and tired.

I feel sorry for your provider. You obviously don't appreciate her enough to give her anything but the minimum amount of money.

I find parents like you are the ones who buy the best car they can afford, the best home they can afford, the best TV, the best smart phone, the best clothes...they take paid vacations......and then look for the cheapest daycare they can possibly find.

I guess it all comes down to priorities.

[Indoorvoice]

Weird that people think this way. When my child was in daycare my provider didn't charge me for her days off but I paid her anyway because you know what? It was important to me that my provider could afford to take care of my little one. It was important to me that she felt rested and taken care of because if she's not feeling her best, I knew my kid wouldn't get the best. Not her fault, that's how humans work. Funny how when you take care of people, they want to take care of you back. But more and more children are viewed as possessions instead of humans and this is apparent in how we view childcare and providers. Scary that people can't just be decent. You want good care? Pay for it.