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My point exactly...none of us are the same. None of us live the same, walk the same, talk the same, look the same, etc. This democracy is telling us who, what, when, where, why and how. I realize all of these people have the option to continue working but what about those that may not. What about the family that isn't married but has a daughter together and they live together, and they want to be married, it's just that their finances don't allow for it right now. Does this woman have to tell her boyfriend of 6 years to pack up and leave their home and leave his daughter because she NEEDS her job?! (There's something to think about...)Comment
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It's too expensive to get married? It's about $80. (less than the price of an Xbox) Those two have their priorities messed up if they can't find a way to get married if they truly want to. When it becomes important to them, they'll do it.
And, yes. If you want to teach at a Christian school, or be in any teaching/leadership position in any church, you should be living a biblical, Godly life. Otherwise, get a job at Sunrise Preschool. Secular Preschools do not have expectations of what happens on the teacher's own time. So, that person who doesn't want to sign the contract should get herself in gear and apply at a secular school before the other teachers do.Comment
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Priorities?! You think it's a simple fix to go and spend $80 to get it done but, not only are you wrong but who are you to decide HOW these people get married? This is a first marriage for both and she is insistent on having it done the right way. Not running down to the courthouse and paying the license fee ($35.00) and hire someone to perform the ceremony (ranges from $150-$250). And I certainly wouldn't be apt to rushing into something just because my job said so!
Some people and businesses need to realize that you can't push everyone around! I can only hope that someone finds some more gray in this law and has this new management/owner charged accordingly.
(I work for a pastors family and they are very aware that I'm agnostic. My beliefs have absolutely no bearing on how I perform my job.)
While I do believe they should be Christian to work in a pre-school and participate in prayer, etc., I don't think any employer should expect you to live, act or behave any particular way while off the clock. I'd feel like I'm being watched every move and hoping no one is listening if you slip up.
(A Walmart bag broke and a jar of spaghetti sauce dropped right on your toe. While fumbing with the bag, a container of apple juice. I screamed, "D@mn!t". Now I fear losing my job.
I hope the employees of this place realize it's much easier to be broke and happy than work for someone with rules you don't like and be unhappy!
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What?!?!
This is absolutely ridiculous!
People should get married if and when they want to get married. FYI, weddings aren't always cheap and there is nothing wrong with wanting to wait to get married and save up for that wedding. True, a couple can apply for a marriage license and skip the wedding, but why should anyone have to give up having the wedding that they want to have? Don't make it about priorities, either. That's nonsense. Priorities are unique to a person's situation. It's not "one size fits all".
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but think about this. Would Jesus be cool with the situation? I'm being serious. If the teachers are already working there and have been good teachers so far, then isn't it pretty judgemental to see them in a different manner based on how regularly they attend church or have a child out of wedlock? Why should it matter? It's judgement and the last time I checked, judging was not a Godly behavior. There are lots of bible verses that talk about how to live a biblical life, but have you considered that there are quite a few verses that address being judgemental?
"So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother's way." Romans 14:12-13
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." Matthew 7:1-5
I would be a lousy candidate for that place, but it that would be fine by me. I'd rather focus on love, rather than arm the children in my care with reasons to find fault with others. I realize that by making this post that I'm being judgemental but I waited until my kids were gone for the day so that they don't see me being judgy.Comment
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This is a CHURCH preschool. Not a secular preschool. If I went looking for a job at a church preschool, I would expect to follow their lifestyle. If I were a parent, I would enroll my child at a church preschool that followed my beliefs. I would probably pull my child out if I heard that Ms so and so at x church preschool was not following that lifestyle. The whole purpose of enrolling my child at a church preschool would be because I would want my child in the care of someone who follows my beliefs (the beliefs I want my child taught and brought up in). Look at it this way. If you attended a Christian Church, and then heard the minister didn't even live a Christian life, would you want that minister ministering to you? What would be the purpose of a Christian minister if he wasn't even a Christian, following the Bible's teachings? Same for a teacher in a church preschool. The parents enroll their child at a CHURCH preschool for that reason.
These employees from the church preschool are representing the preschool whether they're at work or at the store. Just as someone working at any preschool or daycare represents their daycare/preschool, even during their off hours.
The story didnt say anything about requiring that of the families. It's not the healthy who need a doctor, it's the sick. So if someone was enrolled at the preschool who did not live these Biblical lifestyles, they're in the right place (or at least that's how my church would look at it).
I cannot see how it's discriminatory since it's in a church preschool (run by that church). I'd think it'd go without saying that employees would be expected to uphold a certain lifestyle while working there. If I didn't want to live that way, I wouldn't have ever applied to work there to begin with.Comment
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How is excepting people to live by the life style that the church pre-school believes in and “sells” any different from expecting someone to where clothing sold at the boutique they work at? Please respond I like this conversation and I DO NOT see how it is wrong to except people to live a Christian life that are teacher/leaders of a church run/based pre-school.
Some people have asked if this is common practice and as I have a lot of friends that work in churches or church run schools (Because, I got my BA from a private Christian University). Yes, it is common practice and while some place have a much more relaxed policy just saying employees must live a Christian or Biblical life, my friends have informed me that more than a few are stricter. Examples include having to tithe %10 of you income, volunteering either extra income or time to a religious based non-profit organization of some sort, those are the two that this post has not brought up that are out their in the Christian world of employment.Comment
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It's not at all ridiculous.
If you choose to live out of wedlock, you don't get to lead children in a Christian school. It doesn't matter if you REALLY want a 14K dollar wedding, and can't afford it. You are more than welcome to live in whatever way you want, but you can't lead in a church until you are willing to give your life over.
You can live however you want...as long as you work in the secular world.
I don't care if people want to live together, or have an open marriage. Just don't teach my kids in a Christian school if you want to live your life your way.Comment
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These people aren't applying. They have worked there and because of a change in management, now they are required to sign a code of conduct.This is a CHURCH preschool. Not a secular preschool. If I went looking for a job at a church preschool, I would expect to follow their lifestyle. If I were a parent, I would enroll my child at a church preschool that followed my beliefs. I would probably pull my child out if I heard that Ms so and so at x church preschool was not following that lifestyle. The whole purpose of enrolling my child at a church preschool would be because I would want my child in the care of someone who follows my beliefs (the beliefs I want my child taught and brought up in). Look at it this way. If you attended a Christian Church, and then heard the minister didn't even live a Christian life, would you want that minister ministering to you? What would be the purpose of a Christian minister if he wasn't even a Christian, following the Bible's teachings? Same for a teacher in a church preschool. The parents enroll their child at a CHURCH preschool for that reason.
These employees from the church preschool are representing the preschool whether they're at work or at the store. Just as someone working at any preschool or daycare represents their daycare/preschool, even during their off hours.
The story didnt say anything about requiring that of the families. It's not the healthy who need a doctor, it's the sick. So if someone was enrolled at the preschool who did not live these Biblical lifestyles, they're in the right place (or at least that's how my church would look at it).
I cannot see how it's discriminatory since it's in a church preschool (run by that church). I'd think it'd go without saying that employees would be expected to uphold a certain lifestyle while working there. If I didn't want to live that way, I wouldn't have ever applied to work there to begin with.
If a teacher was hired regardless of having a child out of wedlock and was residing with the child's father/boyfriend and the facility didn't have an issue prior to hiring, why is it now being condemned just because a new management team says so?!
And, how do you really know (I mean REALLY KNOW) whether any and all of these people are upholding this lifestyle? Are you the ethics police? Are you a fly on all of these people's walls?! Of course not!
No one ever REALLY knows anybody. For all you know your pastor is a closet drinker, he treats his wife horribly, etc. YOU nor anyone REALLY knows...
We all just HOPE that everyone lives a particular way, however, everyones beliefs vary as does everyones way of life.Comment
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Thanks for the compliment. (I can't say that I've heard that one before.)
I'm not out to disrespect anyone or religion in general. But the people that have jobs and peform their job very well but may not meet all the criteria of the code of conduct are forced to find a new job. It's sad! Especially when the economy is in the tank as it is.Comment
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But Mullen said the unexpected media coverage of the changes at Point of Grace has led to multiple calls of interest and support from other teachers and parents.
“I could never have paid for this much advertising,” he said.
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She was making a point about not caring what people do in their own lives as long as they weren't Christian role models for her children.
I thought the debate was over whether or not the daycare had the right to ask their employees to live a specific lifestyle, NOT about whether or not they were doing it and/or policing them. They were asking new and old employees to agree to it, which to me means the employees are agreeing to police themselves and be people of their word.
People are losing their jobs every day to new management, down sizing and outsourcing to other places, people and countries so why is it so especially sad for these people?
I think whenever new management/owners come on board it is common practice to clean house.Comment
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