SOO ANGRY and Upset

[SandeeAR]

i'm still worked up over it. i'm calming down, but my chest is really tight and i feel like i need to release it. maybe i should break something that usually helps *stomping feet*

but i am a better person, and although i did send a text and call her out on it, i will see what the phone call tonight with dcm brings out.

hoping i can fill my slots soon.

Go over to Word, write them both a nice long letter. Get all the thoughts you have in your mind out. Then, stick it in a file drawer and leave it. When you get mad again, go get it an read it again. Soon, you will be able to tear it up and throw it out and you will feel better.

[MarinaVanessa]

Because of your profile photo I'm assuming you are in Canada. If you are that's too bad because if you you were in the US I'd tell you to send her a certified cease and disist letter for copyright infringement. That's just plain wrong and I'd be

[dEHmom]

i'm just wondering though, because my site is now mine and not weebly anymore, is it copyright? or it doesn't matter? because if i type in the website with the weebly.com after it it still comes up so i guess it's still weebly.

i won't bother with any legal stuff on it, i'm just upset she would stoop to that level. i mean we are competition. if it was somewhere else in the world or even another city i wouldn't care so much. but how could i prove that it was mine first you know? there's no way to prove it.

i feel better. another daycare stopped by today and we chit chatted, so i got my words out, and i vented on here. i do feel a little better, but still. it's a mixture of sadness and anger.

[MarinaVanessa]

i'm just wondering though, because my site is now mine and not weebly anymore, is it copyright? or it doesn't matter? because if i type in the website with the weebly.com after it it still comes up so i guess it's still weebly.

I'm not sure if it applies the same way in all countries but since copyright right's extend to foreign countries I don't see why it doesn't apply to Canada too. Here's what I found (US website):

"Do I have to register with your office to be protected?
No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work."

US Copyright Office FAQ's

i won't bother with any legal stuff on it, i'm just upset she would stoop to that level. i mean we are competition. if it was somewhere else in the world or even another city i wouldn't care so much. but how could i prove that it was mine first you know? there's no way to prove it.

Even if you aren't really going to court over it, she doesn't know that. Technically anything that you post on your website is copyrighted automatically and cannot be copied word for word.

You can always contact her and say "I'm really quite flattered that you would want to copy my website but I would appreciate it if you would remove anything on your website that I have on mine. I really want to keep things on a friendly and proffesional level with you and really don't want to take things further. I'm sure you understand my position." You'd be surprised at how effective it is (I've been in your position before).

I wouldn't like the idea of knowing that a potential client saw my website and saw hers too and wondered who the "copyer" was. It is your hard work afterall.

[dEHmom]

i googled canadian copyright infringement laws and it's the same. websites are different because it's so easy to take from.

i just emailed this lady what marinavanessa suggested (sorry I stole that too :P) and added more to it. I wished her well with her daycare and such, and how i'm sorry i wasn't able to provide the quality of care she was looking for (since she stated that on her site which is bs).

[MarinaVanessa]

i just emailed this lady what marinavanessa suggested (sorry I stole that too :P) and added more to it. I wished her well with her daycare and such, and how i'm sorry i wasn't able to provide the quality of care she was looking for (since she stated that on her site which is bs).

What what?! Am I getting this right? I hope I'm not. Did she not only steal your website info but also bash your care on hers??

[countrymom]

this would make me angry. I also think that just because you have a big house doens't mean that you have money. You would be amazed but I will gaurentee that they owe thousands and thousands of dollars and are living beyond their means.
also i don't have my ece (maybe one day) but like my neighbour who has it, she just couldn't do it once she finished school and was left to deal with the real world. The kids are tougher, the parents, the information, everything she just couldn't do it, I think they sugar coat it in school.
also I would call her out on it too, if she copies a website, then what is she going to do in her home daycare, think about it, she worked in a center where everything was laid out and she didn't have to think about anything, so now she's on her own the first thing she does is copy your site, you can tell she is going to be struggling.

[MarinaVanessa]

BTW (I don't know if it's the same in Canada) but here in the US website information like copying text, pictures etc word for word is still covered by the copyright law. YOU HEAR THAT LADIES IN THE US!!

Here if you have a website and you put your information on it and pictures etc. it immediately becomes copyrighted. BUT the only way to go to court for it is to be registered.

[cheerfuldom]

okay wait....I am confused. so a former DCM is starting a daycare and she is the one who copied the OP's stuff. Now a current DCM is leaving to go to the former DCM's daycare. Who was it that the OP texted? the former or the current?

[CheekyChick]

That's not cool. I would be furious.

[dEHmom]

What what?! Am I getting this right? I hope I'm not. Did she not only steal your website info but also bash your care on hers??

ok to clarify a few questions i read so far...

current dcm #1 is best friends with the dcm#2 starting the new daycare

dcm #2 was enrolled, paid deposit brought dcb here a few times before realizing he needed more doctor appts etc and work wouldn't give her the opportunity to do all that so she couldn't go back to work, and decided to open a daycare.

current dcm #1 gave notice this morning they will be moving to the dcm #2's new daycare (they are best friends i totally understand that).

I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the wording on the website stated she wasn't able to find the quality of childcare she was looking for for her son, thus opening one of her own. To me that felt personal but more than likely it was just appropriate wording for her site rather than disclosing medical issues with her son.


I texted dcm#2 to say why did you copy it. Then I emailed her saying it is copyright infringement, please remove it, wished her well, etc.

dcm #1 tried phoning this morning but i missed her call, she texted saying it's not text appropriate and she will call me later. I hope it is just regarding dcb leaving and such, but hope she's not mad that i called out dcm#2 on the copying.

Update: dcm #2 obviously received my email, and has since changed the wording. whew.

[sharlan]

ok to clarify a few questions i read so far...

current dcm #1 is best friends with the dcm#2 starting the new daycare

dcm #2 was enrolled, paid deposit brought dcb here a few times before realizing he needed more doctor appts etc and work wouldn't give her the opportunity to do all that so she couldn't go back to work, and decided to open a daycare.

current dcm #1 gave notice this morning they will be moving to the dcm #2's new daycare (they are best friends i totally understand that).

I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the wording on the website stated she wasn't able to find the quality of childcare she was looking for for her son, thus opening one of her own. To me that felt personal but more than likely it was just appropriate wording for her site rather than disclosing medical issues with her son.


I texted dcm#2 to say why did you copy it. Then I emailed her saying it is copyright infringement, please remove it, wished her well, etc.

dcm #1 tried phoning this morning but i missed her call, she texted saying it's not text appropriate and she will call me later. I hope it is just regarding dcb leaving and such, but hope she's not mad that i called out dcm#2 on the copying.

Update: dcm #2 obviously received my email, and has since changed the wording. whew.

I'm sure if she asked you, you would have been happy to offer some suggestions. But to outright copy it is wrong.

I would like to start a website, but am not the least bit tech savy.

[dEHmom]

I'm sure if she asked you, you would have been happy to offer some suggestions. But to outright copy it is wrong.

I would like to start a website, but am not the least bit tech savy.

I found weebly to be very easy to use. It's mainly all drag and drop. You pick the look of the website you like, add whatever you like to it, how many pages, if you want secondary pages for different pages, etc.


I would've been more than happy to help her. I'm another one of those helpful by nature people. Even if I was upset to have competition, I would still help.


On another note: How do you ladies continue on normally with parents when you know they are leaving? I mean, I am, but I'm worried it is a little fake now, because I am sad a bit. DCM#1 was supposed to make a sign for the daycare, she had promised and talked more than once about it during the time dcb was here. I can almost guarantee that dcm#1 created, and made dcm #2's sign which sort of hurts. DH kept telling me don't worry about her sign, make your own, get one up, don't wait for her (it's been since february she promised to do it). I have a feeling, and dh said it last night, that they've known this for at least 2 months.
Like I said I feel a little hurt that they were'nt happy enough with me to say to dcm #2 sorry we're going to leave him where he is. or anything like that. I understand they are like family such close friends and I'd likely do the same, but it also bothers me that they probably knew this for a very long time, and plopped it on me mid week. They said they loved the care I provided for him but they need to move him to more "structured program".

[Cat Herder]

They said they loved the care I provided for him but they need to move him to more "structured program".

I am sorry , hun....

That is the way I term families here, too. "I can no longer meet your childs needs. You child will benefit greatly from a structured environment with more resources than I can offer. I recommend ***"

It translates to "your child needs more than one adult", "your child is not group play safe" OR "your child has outgrown my equipment".

At least she tried to do it the nicest way she could think of. I really think it had nothing to do with you at all.

DCM 1 simply see's an opportunity to get "special" for her son and herself.

DCM 2 thinks it will be easy, the hours will be flexible and will allow her all kinds of fun time with her own son.

We all know they are BOTH wrong.

[Meyou]

Aw, don't take it personally. This isn't about you, it's about them.

I have a family that has one going to school next fall (2012) and already has their afterschool care arranged. I KNOW they will pull their youngest to go to the new sitter too but I also KNOW that they won't tell me until the two weeks notice is due next summer. The SA sitter is one street away and takes littles while I'm across the city. I've been friends with Mom for 20 years but I still know she won't give me extra notice or even consider that it would be a nice thing to do so I could have more time to replace the little one. I already have both spots filled which they don't know. I'm planning to approach them next June and require they sign a new contract for the fall so they'll be forced to tell me then. I don't want to wait until Aug 15, 2012 to "officially" find out what I already know.

I used to take it personally (when she tried to push my rules) but I realized if I keep it professional with them, they will be professional with me and it will all work out for the best.