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  • AnythingsPossible
    Daycare Member
    • Jan 2010
    • 802

    #16
    I have had one like this since January. He is a very fussy baby. We hoped things would change when he could sit, crawl, get involved, but it has stayed the same. He is like this at home too. Generally if he is being held, he doesn't scream. But if you aren't holding him or sitting on the floor right by him, he lets out screams and cries. I stick with him because I adore his mom. His sister was a difficult baby too, but not like him!
    I just continue to hope it will get better! Does he come full time? Mine is only here 2 to 3 days a week, which I think is part of the issue. So I can't offer any advice, but I certainly feel for you!

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    • MamaBear
      Daycare.com Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 665

      #17
      Hes here full time... Monday-Friday from 7am-4pm. Hes here now and came super tired and half awake when mom dropped him off. So he had a bottle and fell asleep. I'm hoping he'll take a good morning nap and wake up the happy baby he can be.

      I had an older baby before that was about 16 months old when he started that would cry ALL the time. I couldnt leave his site without him totally freaking out. His mom said he had stranger anxiety and separation anxiety. He loved me but anytime a parent would come pick up another child, he'd lose it. Or if another kid just stood in front of his view of me he'd freak out. I kept him for about 6 months HOPING that I could fix him, but it just got worse and I sadly had to term him because it was just way too disruptive to the daycare.

      At least this baby doesnt have those issues. He can entertain himself without "seeing" me constantly. He just is a little grump bucket sometimes! haha ~ Oh the joys of daycare

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      • Blackcat31
        • Oct 2010
        • 36124

        #18
        Originally posted by MamaBear
        This DCB I have has been here a couple months now... He just turned 6 months & started at 4 months. He has always been difficult from the beginning as far as crying A LOT. Hes only happy after his afternoon nap and just a fuss bucket the whole first half of the day... even after his morning nap. He eats good and is clean, dry and all that. I have been trying for weeks to get him on a schedule and get him used to his little naps. He screams & cries every time I lay him down for nap --- sometimes only for a few minutes but other days he just wont give up and he gets sweaty and crazy cry mode.

        My question is... when does this pass? Hes 6 months now. When does a baby typically stop crying constantly or just become a little easier? I've been lucky with easy babies in my daycare that dont normally act like this... so I'm at a loss as to if this is a permanent personality trait or just because hes still young. I am certain the mom holds him ALL the time by the way he acts. I sure hope hes not a rage baby
        That right there would be the deal breaker for me! If mom does not work WITH you and works against you, then you are fighting a losing battle and something I will never do to myself, the child in question and the other daycare kids ever ever again. Once was enough.

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        • cheerfuldom
          Advanced Daycare.com Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 7413

          #19
          that was my point too blackcat. There is not much you can do with a baby when you know that mom and dad are doing the opposite at home

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          • MommyMuffin
            Daycare.com Member
            • Jun 2010
            • 860

            #20
            Originally posted by MamaBear
            This DCB I have has been here a couple months now... He just turned 6 months & started at 4 months. He has always been difficult from the beginning as far as crying A LOT. Hes only happy after his afternoon nap and just a fuss bucket the whole first half of the day... even after his morning nap. He eats good and is clean, dry and all that. I have been trying for weeks to get him on a schedule and get him used to his little naps. He screams & cries every time I lay him down for nap --- sometimes only for a few minutes but other days he just wont give up and he gets sweaty and crazy cry mode.

            My question is... when does this pass? Hes 6 months now. When does a baby typically stop crying constantly or just become a little easier? I've been lucky with easy babies in my daycare that dont normally act like this... so I'm at a loss as to if this is a permanent personality trait or just because hes still young. I am certain the mom holds him ALL the time by the way he acts. I sure hope hes not a rage baby
            I have 2 difficult babies in my care right now. The oldest one is 9 months now (came at 4 months) and will not take a nap! After months of trying everything I finally just focused on his cues. (Also read lots of Dr. Sears books)

            Now with him I feed him his bottle while he sits up...kinda like a goat, otherwise he screams and kicks me. Then when the bottle is almost gone I give him a pacifier and lay him on the floor right next to me. YES, the floor right next to me is the only place he will sleep and he will only sleep for 20 - 30 minutes.

            Now that I have that routine though, he is happy, and although I never get a break, him and I have a great bond now. Plus, his parents are awesome so I stuck it out and I am glad. I'm nervous about when he is a toddler though because I will not have a toddler running around during nap time.

            I struggled to get even this lame nap routine down. If you are willing to invest the extra time and tears and hurting ears then I would stick it out and try reading their signals.

            Otherwise, to be honest, at least in my area, it is soooo easy to fill infant spots that if I didnt want to deal with a high needs baby I would term and move on to the next baby.

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            • lpperry
              New Daycare.com Member
              • May 2011
              • 85

              #21
              Originally posted by MamaBear
              This is the schedule that he's on right now:
              • Wakes up at home at 5:00am (according to the mom)
              • Has a bottle at home @ 5:45am (according to the mom)
              • Gets dropped off here at 7am
              • Plays until about 8am
              • Has a bottle @ 8am / Breakfast (baby cereal w/ formula) @ 8:30am
              • Plays till @ 9am
              • Naps usually from 9am-10am... wakes up super grumpy
              • Has a bottle @ 10am
              • Plays till about 11am
              • Has lunch at 11:30am (gerber 1st foods)
              • Plays till about 12:30pm
              • Bottle @ 12:30pm
              • Naps from 12:30pm-2:30pm ... sometimes till 3pm!
              • Wakes up - has a bottle and is as HAPPY as could be till his mom picks up at 4pm



              So basically he has a bottle every couple hours... and the morning nap is usually 1 hour - sometimes 1.5 hr if I'm lucky. And the afternoon nap is always about 2 hours. And he wakes up SO happy after that second nap. If what your saying is right about how they should only be awake 2.5 hrs max at this age... then maybe I need to put him to bed ASAP when he gets here in the morning after a bottle... I'll try that tomorrow and see what happens. Are 3 naps too much for a 6 month old though? Maybe some babies just need a lot of sleep huh?
              5am is super early, so he is most likely not getting 11-12 hours of sleep at night either. I have found that the 5am babies are super fussy because they aren't getting enough night sleep. So, yes, if he is up at 5am, try putting him to sleep right when he arrives. I would ask each morning what time he woke up though--if he gets up later, like 6:30, put him down at 9.

              Yes at 6 months, usually it is normal to have 2 long naps and then a shorter nap in the evening. If he is waking that early, maybe even 3 long naps...

              It sounds like he is not really eating at appropriate times for his age. Eating every 2 hours is appropriate for a newborn, but NOT for a 6 month old. He should be having a bottle every 4ish hours with 2-3 meals of solids per day. I know more about breastmilk amounts, but at 6 months, I would guess 5-6 ounces of formula every 4 hours would be about right.

              I like to feed the bottle right when baby wakes from nap. That way, you have your 2.5 hours of awake time, the 1.5/2 hour nap and then feed again upon waking from the nap--that gives you 4ish hours in between feeds. As the time awake lengthens, naps stay the same length, the baby will gradually get longer between the bottle feeds. I would NOT be bottle feeding a 6 month old every 2 hours--that's just not good for the baby.

              So, my schedule for this baby would be:
              7:30: put down for nap at arrival
              7:30-9/9:30: nap (hopefully--you might find it even longer if you get him down as soon as he arrives since he was up so early)
              9/9:30: 5-6 ounce bottle when he wakes
              feed the breakfast solids when your other kids have their morning snack
              12:00-2 (time is an example--do 2.25-2.5 hours after waking and hopefully he will sleep for 2 hours): nap
              2:00: 5-6 ounce bottle
              solids whenever you want
              4:00--go home-- evening solids at home. hopefully he will get another nap and get to bed at a decent hour--

              I think your biggest issue is that he is up sooo early and then he is up way too long before his first nap. He is overtired, which doesn't allow him to sleep well or long for that morning nap, which makes him grumpy when he wakes. Considering that he does sleep for 2 hours in the afternoon even after being overtired in the morning, makes me think that putting him back to bed at 7:30 is going to help you tremendously.

              Also--this is just my suggestion for a routine for this specific child with what you have to work with. If his parents could get him to sleep until 7am instead of 5am, it would be even easier to fix this grumpy baby.

              I am going to list the awake times for all the ages so you have it for when he gets older in the next post.

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              • lpperry
                New Daycare.com Member
                • May 2011
                • 85

                #22
                So you have this for when the baby gets older--these are a guideline so that you can better figure out what time to put the baby down for a nap as he gets older. They have really worked for me!

                Awake time for babies
                Newborn 50-60 mins
                1 month 60 mins- 1 hour and 15
                2 months 1 hour and 15 - 20 mins
                3 months 1 hour and 20 - 30 mins
                4 months 1 hour and 45 - 2 hours
                5 months 2 hours - 2.25 hours
                Late 5 months/early 6 months 2.25-2.5 hours
                6.5 - 7 months 2.75-3 hours. Some are getting more.
                8 - 10 months 3 - 4 hours. Some are getting more.
                11 - 12 months 3.5 -4.5 hours. Some are getting more if moved early to 1 nap

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                • MamaBear
                  Daycare.com Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 665

                  #23
                  Originally posted by lpperry
                  So you have this for when the baby gets older--these are a guideline so that you can better figure out what time to put the baby down for a nap as he gets older. They have really worked for me!

                  Awake time for babies
                  Newborn 50-60 mins
                  1 month 60 mins- 1 hour and 15
                  2 months 1 hour and 15 - 20 mins
                  3 months 1 hour and 20 - 30 mins
                  4 months 1 hour and 45 - 2 hours
                  5 months 2 hours - 2.25 hours
                  Late 5 months/early 6 months 2.25-2.5 hours
                  6.5 - 7 months 2.75-3 hours. Some are getting more.
                  8 - 10 months 3 - 4 hours. Some are getting more.
                  11 - 12 months 3.5 -4.5 hours. Some are getting more if moved early to 1 nap
                  Thats awesome! Thanks!

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