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  • dEHmom
    Advanced Daycare.com Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 2355

    Temper Tantrums

    ok I am looking for your ladies great wisdom.

    I've never had to deal with a child so stubborn and honestly BRATTY!!!!

    it's my own ds. I've mentioned before that I have been working on it but nothing seems to work with him. Even my husband is at a loss as to how to deal with it.

    Nothing works!

    he is 3 yrs old (almost 3 1/2) and everytime he gets heck for a bad behavior (which is VERY OFTEN) or if we have to say NO or don't do that, or not right now, or any other form of a NO, instantly, it's the pout, deep breathing, then complete breakdown. He will drop to the floor kicking and crying, he will throw something, he will kick something, sometimes he'll storm off to his room, etc. when he calms down we talk to him, my husband even started spanking him as soon as the tantrum starts (we don't spank, unless it's the last straw). I don't want any slack for spanking our child, that is not what I am asking about!

    he's been doing this since he was about 1 1/2- 2 yo and usually they figure out that they don't get what they want, they just get in trouble and lose a privilege like treat after supper, or have to go to bed early, or whatever the case is and stop doing it. They grow out of the tantrums once they realize it gets them nowhere. But not with him

    Once again, we have NEVER given in to his tantrums, and ignore them the best we can, but sometimes we can't ignore it. Now he's even started throwing himself so hard on the floor or backwards he hits his head. Then he cries because he whacked his head.

    He is sneaky too. Always quiet and sneaking and doing this he shouldn't, like helping himself to stuff in the fridge, cupboards, my bedroom, or he'll sneak outside to ride his bike.

    I am desperate to end this charade, and next to a good spanking (which I don't do because they just laugh when I spank them), I don't know what else to do. Time outs sort of work, for about 5 minutes then back to bad behavior.

    I realize part of it might be that he's acting out for attention (being that I have the daycare). But my kids are not upset about the daycare. They love having the friends come everyday, they love the things we get to do because of it. And he's been accustomed to the daycare his whole life so it's not like it's new. he doesn't have to share any of HIS toys or anything.
    Last edited by dEHmom; 06-15-2011, 09:00 AM.
  • MarinaVanessa
    Family Childcare Home
    • Jan 2010
    • 7211

    #2
    Your son is my daughter. 100%. I could have written your post. Unfortunately for you I don't have any good advice as I have tried everything and nothing seems to work. I even went as far as to talk to the school to get a panel together to have her observed and evaluated. Apparently it's just a behavior/impulse control. The difference is that your son is 3 and my daughter is now 6. Yes, she still acts that way.

    We still redirect, we still warn, we still punish, we still talk to her, we still stay consistent etc. but she still has 2-3 "good" days a week and the rest she does something to get herself in trouble.

    As I was typing this she complained that DCG 3 took toys from her and DCG gave them back and went on to play with the train set. 3 DCB's went over and all 4 began to play nicely together. DD noticed them playing, walks over and takes ... snatches actually ... ALL of the train tracks and most of the trains and for good measure swipes all of the remaining trains onto the floor. She turned around and I was standing 2" behind her. It suddenly became very quiet and all eyes were on me. DD quietly turns around and puts everything on the table, kicks it and put herself in time out. i NEVER SAID ONE WORD. She is now whimpering and throwing a fit all by herself in time out. She is harrumphing, heeing and hawing while kicking and waving her arms around like she's epileptic. It will probably go on for another 10 minutes or so then she will get bored or tired and find something else to do.

    I REALLY hope your son grows out of it. Not trying to discourage you. Just wanted you to know that someone else is going through the same thing and is with you. HUGS!

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    • dEHmom
      Advanced Daycare.com Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 2355

      #3
      Originally posted by MarinaVanessa
      It suddenly became very quiet and all eyes were on me. DD quietly turns around and puts everything on the table, kicks it and put herself in time out. i NEVER SAID ONE WORD. She is now whimpering and throwing a fit all by herself in time out. She is harrumphing, heeing and hawing while kicking and waving her arms around like she's epileptic. It will probably go on for another 10 minutes or so then she will get bored or tired and find something else to do.
      hahaha that sounds like it was written by me!!!! sometimes my ds will flail his arms around like that too, sometimes while doing that he starts smacking his hands. rather odd sometimes. and usually he's got head downwards a bit, and eyes glaring up at me. Sometimes it's scary, like he's the spawn of satan.

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      • meganlavonnesmommy
        Daycare.com Member
        • Apr 2011
        • 344

        #4
        My first advice is usually to ignore the tantrum, but it sounds like you have done that, and tried for a long time.
        Have you tried a combination of rewards and ignoring? Continue to ignore the behaviour and also start a reward system for good behaviour. Something simple like a sticker chart with a sticker each day he doenst act out. Start with a small reward daily if he gets a sticker, dollar toy, or piece of candy. Then work to a big reward at the end of the week if he does good all day. A trip with mom or dad to the ice cream shop, or a movie.

        If its too hard for him to go a whole day with no tantrum in the beginning, then do half days to begin with and work your way up. Rewards often work much better than punishment.

        Unfortunatley I found the 3's to be much much harder than the 2's. He will mature as he gets older. My child was a terror at 3, but 4 and 5 were awesome. Keep up the good work, you're on the right track.

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        • dEHmom
          Advanced Daycare.com Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 2355

          #5
          Thanks, I will try it. But I do have to say, we've tried to reward good behavior like that. but the second he's got his reward, he's a holy terror again.

          i have to admit, seems like the only time he is actually good, is when he's sick and too tired to move.

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          • Ariana
            Advanced Daycare.com Member
            • Jun 2011
            • 8969

            #6
            Try reading this to get a different perspective on it. You don't want to affect your relationship with him in a negative way by giving into your own frustration.
            It sounds like he's wanting attention, even negative attention.

            Have you had a long day? Are you tired? Hungry? Over it? On the verge of an adult meltdown? Dealing with the ups and downs that naturally come with all children can be challenging, regardless of how we're feeling in the moment. But it's particularly difficult when we're feeling drained and like...

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            • dEHmom
              Advanced Daycare.com Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 2355

              #7
              Originally posted by Ariana
              Try reading this to get a different perspective on it. You don't want to affect your relationship with him in a negative way by giving into your own frustration.
              It sounds like he's wanting attention, even negative attention.

              http://mothering.com/parenting/a-fre...ch-to-tantrums
              neat article. thanks.

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              • daycare
                Advanced Daycare.com *********
                • Feb 2011
                • 16259

                #8
                Originally posted by dEHmom
                ok I am looking for your ladies great wisdom.

                I've never had to deal with a child so stubborn and honestly BRATTY!!!!

                it's my own ds. I've mentioned before that I have been working on it but nothing seems to work with him. Even my husband is at a loss as to how to deal with it.

                Nothing works!

                he is 3 yrs old (almost 3 1/2) and everytime he gets heck for a bad behavior (which is VERY OFTEN) or if we have to say NO or don't do that, or not right now, or any other form of a NO, instantly, it's the pout, deep breathing, then complete breakdown. He will drop to the floor kicking and crying, he will throw something, he will kick something, sometimes he'll storm off to his room, etc. when he calms down we talk to him, my husband even started spanking him as soon as the tantrum starts (we don't spank, unless it's the last straw). I don't want any slack for spanking our child, that is not what I am asking about!

                he's been doing this since he was about 1 1/2- 2 yo and usually they figure out that they don't get what they want, they just get in trouble and lose a privilege like treat after supper, or have to go to bed early, or whatever the case is and stop doing it. They grow out of the tantrums once they realize it gets them nowhere. But not with him

                Once again, we have NEVER given in to his tantrums, and ignore them the best we can, but sometimes we can't ignore it. Now he's even started throwing himself so hard on the floor or backwards he hits his head. Then he cries because he whacked his head.

                He is sneaky too. Always quiet and sneaking and doing this he shouldn't, like helping himself to stuff in the fridge, cupboards, my bedroom, or he'll sneak outside to ride his bike.

                I am desperate to end this charade, and next to a good spanking (which I don't do because they just laugh when I spank them), I don't know what else to do. Time outs sort of work, for about 5 minutes then back to bad behavior.

                I realize part of it might be that he's acting out for attention (being that I have the daycare). But my kids are not upset about the daycare. They love having the friends come everyday, they love the things we get to do because of it. And he's been accustomed to the daycare his whole life so it's not like it's new. he doesn't have to share any of HIS toys or anything.
                gee havent you heard.....you are doing it all wrong..... you're not supposed to say the word NO to your child...........lmao sorry I coulnt resist!!

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                • dEHmom
                  Advanced Daycare.com Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 2355

                  #9
                  Originally posted by daycare
                  gee havent you heard.....you are doing it all wrong..... you're not supposed to say the word NO to your child...........lmao sorry I coulnt resist!!
                  that's why i CAPS it! .

                  thanks, put a smile on my face.

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                  • dEHmom
                    Advanced Daycare.com Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 2355

                    #10
                    oh, i've been tempted to try the word BIRD in place of the NO.


                    because haven't you heard?

                    well a BIRD BIRD BIRD, BIRD IS THE WORD

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                    • daycare
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                      • Feb 2011
                      • 16259

                      #11
                      gald I could make you laugh!! I know we all need it when times get tough..

                      My son used to do this too... I decided that i was going to create a space just for him and give him alone time. I think that he was over whelmed by having the DCK around him and his stuff all the time. I know he was doing it for my attention.

                      I not only gave him his own space, I filled it with stuff that was HIS own toys and he did not have to share with anyone as long as it stayed in his space. (his space was teh living room)
                      If he took the toy to the DCR it was free game.

                      I also made special time for him and I to have alone time. Which was that i let him stay up for an hour longer than the DCK. They went down for nap at 1 and he and I would sit in his room and read books and talk or play together until 2.

                      I have noticed a huge difference in his behavior since I did this. Don't get me wrong, he still throws tantrums from time to time, but they went from daily (or more) to once a week or so.

                      I also noticed that i was harder on my son than I was on the DCK and I know that my son could tell that I did this too. Like when he got in to trouble, I would send him to his room, the daycare kids usually just had to go to a time out spot or had a talking to. I stopped that too and treated him just like all of the others... I figured that it was not fair that I was harder on him because I could be. Also, I didnt think that it was fair that he had to be under daycare rules for 12 hours a day 5 days a week, so I do allow for him to do special things with his older siblings or if daddy or grandpa has a day off....

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                      • daycare
                        Advanced Daycare.com *********
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 16259

                        #12
                        Originally posted by dEHmom
                        oh, i've been tempted to try the word BIRD in place of the NO.


                        because haven't you heard?

                        well a BIRD BIRD BIRD, BIRD IS THE WORD
                        lmao omg I love cheesy stuff!!!!!!!!! and I am even allergic to dairy......

                        funny!

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                        • dEHmom
                          Advanced Daycare.com Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 2355

                          #13
                          absolutely. i agree with that. i know my kids don't nap. so when dcb's go down for their, mine get to pick movies, play with playdough, drink chocolate milk, ride the bikes or whatever else.

                          i am a little harder on my kids though, because my dcb's are both babies, and so they obviously don't get time outs or anything. mine go wild though when dcd's arrive at pick up. and it drives me bonkers. i understand why, but it's really irritating when you're trying to talk to parents, and they are making it nearly impossible. eventually i just yell ENOUGH, and say sit down quietly, play with your toys, watch your movie, go play in your room, or whatever i need to say at the time. Enough is a pretty magical word usually, but sometimes it's just not enough. .

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                          • dEHmom
                            Advanced Daycare.com Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 2355

                            #14
                            Originally posted by daycare
                            lmao omg I love cheesy stuff!!!!!!!!! and I am even allergic to dairy......

                            funny!
                            i'm assuming you understand what that is?

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                            • daycare
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                              • Feb 2011
                              • 16259

                              #15
                              Originally posted by dEHmom
                              i'm assuming you understand what that is?
                              the bird song?

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