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  • GretasLittleFriends
    Daycare.com Member
    • Feb 2009
    • 934

    Not sure of approach. Do I term? And how?

    So to start, I've only terminated two families. Both were for breech of contract; one an illness issue and the other a violence issue.

    I have a mom with three kids that may be interested in using me for daycare. She was referred to me by another daycare mom. Originally I didn't think I would have the room for her three kids. I have one opening.

    However, there are many days when I would have plenty of room for her 3 because almost none of my kids are FT, though some have varying days.

    Well now, this one parent had their hours cut. They are on state aid with no copay. I charge hourly and my contract says:

    Scheduling - A written schedule will be established for each child in my care at least a week in advance. If there are changes to scheduled days, I must be notified no later than the night before if you need child care on an unscheduled day or if your child/ren will not be here on a scheduled day. If the scheduled drop off time needs to change, I must be notified no later than the night before if you will be dropping your child/ren off at a different time than scheduled. If the scheduled pick up time needs to change, I must be notified of the change at the time you drop off your child/ren. If your child is scheduled to be here and you have not notified me of any scheduling change ahead of time you will be charged for the time the child was supposed to be here. Other fees may apply.

    Fees - I have an hourly rate. I charge $2.50 an hour. (If they're not here I don't charge)

    Extra Charges: There is a charge of $1.00 every fifteen minutes you are late picking up your child, without prior notification, to be paid that Friday with normal payment. A $5.00 per day will be charged for late payments. A $25.00 fee will be charged on returned checks and only cash will be accepted thereafter, and you will pay all my fees if it causes me to have bounced checks. Accounts that are 30 days late will be sent to collection. There will be a yearly review of all charges every January. I also charge a non-standard hour fee for children who are here between the hours of 6pm and 6am Monday through Thursday and 6pm Friday through 6am Monday morning. This fee varies and is based on what the state of Minnesota allows for their Child Care Assistance Program. Payment is due on Fridays unless prior arrangements are made. If you are not going to be here, please pay on the last day of the week you are here. I will also require a two week notice prior to removal of your child (three week notice if more than one child) from daycare for which payment will be made.

    Termination & Notice Procedures- The first 10 days are probationary period for the provider, parent and child. This agreement may be terminated at any time during this period. I require a two week notice prior to removal of your child (three week notice if more than one child) from daycare. I will provide the parents with two weeks written notice if I am no longer able to care for your child.
    I will terminate our child care arrangements immediately for any of the following reasons (but not solely limited to):
    -Failure to show up for 5 days in a row without any communication.


    This child has only been here 3 days in the month of May. 5/4, 5/12 & 5/13. I asked parent last week (the 17th) for a schedule. He told me that they cut his hours and they would call him when they need him.

    I need the income, but the county won't pay it since the dad isn't working. How do I term him to be able to open the slots to actually earn an income?
    Give a little love to a child, and you get a great deal back.
  • Blackcat31
    • Oct 2010
    • 36124

    #2
    If the dad told you that they cut his hours, I would think you could simply say that you can no longer accommodate such a sporadic schedule and if he is not going to need you as much anymore, you will need to drop his staus to drop in care and then fill the spaces. Tell him he is more than welcome to call when he does need care to check for availabilty. If yo have the space, take him and if you don't, then tell him so. His job changed his hours, you are not required to accommodate that for him. State paid or not.

    This way yo are not terming, just changing his status...kwim?

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    • MarinaVanessa
      Family Childcare Home
      • Jan 2010
      • 7211

      #3
      It's not worth losing income over because his job reduced his hours. It's not his fault, but it isn't yours either. I would put it in writing and explain that you have the opportunity to fill a few spots and you wanted to offer him the option of paying for the full spot each week or being reduced to drop-in care. He'll probably go with drop-in but at least you made an effort to give him a choice. Good luck and congrats.

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      • GretasLittleFriends
        Daycare.com Member
        • Feb 2009
        • 934

        #4
        I'm going to call him. How does this sound.

        Hi (Dad) this is Greta. I am calling to let you know I am going to have to change your daycare status to drop-in status for now with your sporadic schedule. What this means is that if you find you need to drop the kids off, you'll need to call me ahead of time to verify I have the openings for them. I will gladly take them if I have the availability. Does this make sense?
        Do I mention anything to him about attempting to fill my vacancies? I'm thinking not.
        Give a little love to a child, and you get a great deal back.

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        • nannyde
          All powerful, all knowing daycare whisperer
          • Mar 2010
          • 7320

          #5
          Greta,

          It doesn't matter if they are state paid wanting drop in or private pay wanting drop in.... it's still no money no matter who flips the bill.

          You just have to tell him you don't do drop in. Tell him to feel free to call when he gets a full time position or whatever your minimum is. Until then he will need to make other accomodations.

          It's not personal. Drop in is just another phrase for no money
          http://www.amazon.com/Daycare-Whispe...=doing+daycare

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          • daycare
            Advanced Daycare.com *********
            • Feb 2011
            • 16259

            #6
            I agree with nannyde... You can't sit around waiting for the dad to get a new job or increased hours. You may be wating forever. I would call the family and tell them that you will no longer take part time or drop in's. Or whatever schedule you prefer to have.

            I am going through something similar and I had to realize that if I let my emotions drive my decisions that i will be doing free childcare...

            I agree with blackcat too. YOu are only chaning his status... If and when dad gets new hours and you don't have a spot for him, let them find DC else where....

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            • Live and Learn
              Daycare.com Member
              • Sep 2010
              • 956

              #7
              Originally posted by GretasLittleFriends
              I'm going to call him. How does this sound.



              Do I mention anything to him about attempting to fill my vacancies? I'm thinking not.
              No, don't tell him. It is none of his business.

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              • Blackcat31
                • Oct 2010
                • 36124

                #8
                Originally posted by GretasLittleFriends
                I'm going to call him. How does this sound.



                Do I mention anything to him about attempting to fill my vacancies? I'm thinking not.
                I don't think you need to explain anything about filling the spaces. I think your "conversation" for the phone call sounds perfect. This way, it will still leave you on as the provider for his assistance but it does not force you to leave the space open. I wonder if this dad is aware that he needs to work 20 hours per week or the state wil drop his assistance? If he isn't working 20 hours then the state will require him to job search the difference to equal 20 hours but you are under no obligation to tell him the rules (He should already know this) and he will need to see his job counselor/case worker to even be approved to get assistance while job searching.

                You may want to inform the worker about the job hours being cut so that they are aware of why you will not be turning in regular billing vouchers.

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                • wdmmom
                  Advanced Daycare.com
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 2713

                  #9
                  I would contact DCD and tell him this:

                  "Hi _____. This is Greta. I just wanted to let you know that with you not working, the state will no longer pay the daycare bill since you are without work. Please feel free to contact me if and when you are needing childcare again and it can be more of a consistent schedule and I'll let you know if I have any openings at that time. Good luck to you!"

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                  • GretasLittleFriends
                    Daycare.com Member
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 934

                    #10
                    I just got off the phone with him. I said I would be willing to take the boys as a drop-in status meaning that if he calls the night before and I have the openings I will take them, but if I don't have the room that day, then I will not be able to take them. I told him that I am requesting this change of status so I am not obligated to leave those slots to him and not make any money. He completely understood.

                    This stemmed from a phone call to his caseworker as I couldn't find the forms I fill in for the hours the child is here. They weren't sent out but that is another story. In talking to her, she mentioned that his hours had been cut, and that she was going to get ahold of him to talk to him about some things. She said his case was up for review. It was just recently up for review, and I am assuming that she will be informing him of the 20 hour rule...

                    Looks to me that I will be checking in on this other interested mom.
                    Give a little love to a child, and you get a great deal back.

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                    • MarinaVanessa
                      Family Childcare Home
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 7211

                      #11
                      Well i really hope it works out well for you. It would be really great if you could fill his spot and other open spots quickly.

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