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  • PitterPatter
    Advanced Daycare.com Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 1507

    Waste Of MY Money For DCK 'Medical Condition'

    Usually I come for advise and opinions, today I just want to vent! Something has been irritating me and I just have to vent to someone who knows where I am coming from! It may get long if it does my apologies!

    I enrolled 2 new kids almost 3 months ago. DCM tells me the boy is lactose intolerant and needs pediasure. She says she gets 72 cans a month from WIC. OK so I give her the required form to have the Dr fill out so that I can serve the Pediasure instead of milk. She also says he is to have a FULL bottle each meal! (Food Prog rules are 4 oz per meal but she insists) I tell her I don't think I am required to supply that much but I will buy some and if she wants to help with the extra 4oz with the bottles WIC gives her that would be fine. I go out and buy this expensive Pediasure because she tells me he can't have the store brand for some unknown reason. She brings 4 8oz cans and says she will bring more on Monday. She NEVER brings anymore!!! So I am giving this kid 8oz of Pediasure every meal! Thats about $4 per day! I remind her I am only required to give the 4oz. Ok she says she will bring more...BUT doesnt...

    Almost 3 weeks later she finally brings the form back from the Dr. It's not even filled out!! All he wrote was in the comments "needs pediasure" and signed it. I know it wont fly but I have to submitt it to the Food Program. I get a call a week later saying it needs filled out and she is sending me a new 1. OK So I pass along to the DCM telling her the Dr MUST fill out the info. The program director has highlighted every spot! DCM is irritated and says she will take it to the dr in a few days when she has time. I told her we need it back ASAP! She just looks at me like I am speeking greek! So I say ok take the few dys BUT have the doctor mail it directly to me! (i have a fax but its not working)

    DCM tells me a few days later she turned it in. OK great! Now another 3 weeks go by I finally get the form. It states there is NO medical problem with this child!! Under allergies to food it had a huge ZERO! Under medical conditions requiring suppliments NOTHING! All of the health matter questions were circled NO! Then in comments it said again "Pediasure" What in the hell??? I show the Mom and she shrugs. Fine!!

    I turn it in and sure enough a week later the food program director is calling me. We are both at a loss now! She says she does not understand why the DCM is saying he needs pediasure or why the Dr write it in the comments when there clearly is not health matter with this child! She says according to the form there is NO reason for me to have to supply pediasure in place of milk. She says the form will have to be submitted AGAIN and this time a letter will go with it asking for detailed explaination.

    I inform the DCM and she is mad! She said "Just forget it give him milk" WTH??? He can't have milk u said!! She says "yes he can we have been giving it to him for a while now and he's fine" I couldnt wrap my head around this! I reminded her of our convo at enrollment! She said "well he must have gotten over it because we wanted him to have real milk and so we started slow no problems he just gets a runny nose" I said why would the Dr write Pediasure in the notes then? She said oh because it helps them get the nutrition and weight gain that he needs. OMG @$#*&!!! "I have been supllying this MYSELF out of MY pocket for weight gain???" She just sits there. I tell her "fine I will put milk on the table tomorrow morning I hope he doesn't have a reaction!"

    I call the director back and we are just at a loss. She is fed up with this parents stories and the Dr forms so she says according to the form I am NOT required to give the pediasure and I do have to put milk on the table! She said she was calling the parent herself because this makes no sense but by law we now have to give that child milk and pray he doesn't have a reaction and that the weight gain is the only need for it.

    She calls me back and says "I spoke with THAT PARENT!" I said ok and? She is very frustrated and goes on to say she said all the same things I told her right down to DCM contradicting herself! The parent told her it is ok for me to give her kid milk! The director told me she is documenting everything and strongly suggests I do the same. I said ok so I never had to give this Pediasure in the 1st place? She said "according to BOTH Dr forms NO! And I am so sorry u have wasted YOUR money all along! If the parents wants him to have it SHE must supply it and I told her that. So don't buy this child anymore Pediasure!" She asked that I keep a close eye on him and I of course planned to. Breakfast no reaction but he only drank 2 ox or so. Lunch NO reaction!

    So what a flipping waste!! Not only did the kid not need it BUT I could have bought the store brand!! I feel like DCM should have to reimburse me for all those bottles because the food program reimbursment doesn't touch it PLUS she told me I had to give double the requirment on top of that! I did some rough calculations and I figure I spent at least $80 in Pediasure for that child over a 2 month period. That's $80 of MY heard earned money flushed down the toilet!
  • SimpleMom
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2009
    • 586

    #2
    She should reimburse you. Holy cow. I'd be frustrated as well. I'm not required to pay for substitutions, so I wouldn't. But it sounds like you had to. Yuck. Maybe next time have the paperwork filled out first before purchasing the substitute. My licensor always strongly suggests that we do that for CCAP here. Of course, I let one slide and trusted everything was fine and got burned by over $600 dollars. So, I feel for ya. So sorry you had to go through that. I agree, keep everything in writing and continue to document conversations with mom just to be safe.

    Hope you have a much better day.

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    • MN Day Mom
      Daycare.com Member
      • Mar 2011
      • 246

      #3
      I personally would request payment from her, especially being as she herself has been giving the child milk. I would just tell her being as there never was a true medical need as she originally stated that you now need to be reimbursed for your costs.

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      • missnikki
        Advanced Daycare.com Member
        • Mar 2010
        • 1033

        #4
        Is it just me, or was that the sound of this wacko's daycare rate going up? Let her pay for it, one way or another.

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        • SilverSabre25
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2010
          • 7585

          #5
          Originally posted by missnikki
          Is it just me, or was that the sound of this wacko's daycare rate going up? Let her pay for it, one way or another.
          hee hee hee "LIKE!"

          Pitter, sorry you're dealing with this. Some people are totally nuts. You're really having a week, huh?
          Hee hee! Look, I have a signature!

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          • PitterPatter
            Advanced Daycare.com Member
            • Mar 2011
            • 1507

            #6
            Originally posted by SimpleMom
            She should reimburse you. Holy cow. I'd be frustrated as well. I'm not required to pay for substitutions, so I wouldn't. But it sounds like you had to. Yuck. Maybe next time have the paperwork filled out first before purchasing the substitute. My licensor always strongly suggests that we do that for CCAP here. Of course, I let one slide and trusted everything was fine and got burned by over $600 dollars. So, I feel for ya. So sorry you had to go through that. I agree, keep everything in writing and continue to document conversations with mom just to be safe.

            Hope you have a much better day.
            Thank u!! My day is going better just since I vented. Isn't that funny as soon as u get something out u can kinda breathe easier right away?

            With our food prog if a child is really lactose intolerant I am required to supply it and that woud be 4oz per meal totalling about $2 extra per day, I would still have $2 going towards the meal from the $4 the FP reimburses. DCM had me paying $4 per day just in Pediasure so the $4 I got from the food program for the day didn't touch the actual food served. I look at it as the kid was basically served free meals for over 2 months when u think about the reimbursment. The problem was waiting for this paperwork. I had to feed the kids lunch going on the DCMs word of lactose intolerance and awaiting the form which turned out to be a crock!

            I think there should be a new rule put in place that states until the actual paperwork is filed back with the Food Prog then any suppliments must be provided by the parents. THAT would solve everything!

            Oh and what in the hell is she doing with all that free pediasure? I bet she's selling it!

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            • PitterPatter
              Advanced Daycare.com Member
              • Mar 2011
              • 1507

              #7
              Originally posted by SilverSabre25
              hee hee hee "LIKE!"

              Pitter, sorry you're dealing with this. Some people are totally nuts. You're really having a week, huh?
              Sure am! When it rains it pours! I am just thankful to all u wonderful people who allow me to come and vent and take the time to give advise when I need it!

              Oh and thanks to Michael for creating this forum in the 1st place!

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              • Childminder
                Advanced Daycare.com Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 1500

                #8
                Here I serve milk over age one, and my choice of formula (which is Kirkland brand) to children under one. If the parent wants me to serve something else they have to sign a waiver and provide it themselves. Food program rules.
                I see little people.

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                • daycare
                  Advanced Daycare.com *********
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 16259

                  #9
                  I would be telling her that since the food program said that there was no need for it and that she never brought the VERY necessary extra bottles, that she will have to cover the cost.

                  If I were you, I would NEVER supply something like that for a child ever again. It's not your responsibility. If a child really truly needs something I know that a parent would not let a child go even a day without it.

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                  • youretooloud
                    Advanced Daycare.com Member
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 1955

                    #10
                    DO you still have any of the receipts? If so, I think I'd raise her tuition $5 or $10 a week until you feel like she's refunded what she owes you.

                    I stopped completely trusting parents who say their child has an allergy a long time ago. Allergies are SO overused. It's offensive to those who really do have allergies, when a parent just wants to make an excuse that suits them.

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                    • daycare
                      Advanced Daycare.com *********
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 16259

                      #11
                      Originally posted by youretooloud
                      DO you still have any of the receipts? If so, I think I'd raise her tuition $5 or $10 a week until you feel like she's refunded what she owes you.

                      I stopped completely trusting parents who say their child has an allergy a long time ago. Allergies are SO overused. It's offensive to those who really do have allergies, when a parent just wants to make an excuse that suits them.
                      is it possible to ask a parent to get a written note if a child has an allergy? EX. let say a child has allergies to Peanutbutter... Can we say please have a writen note with side effects to look for from your doc. This way I can put it in your child's file?? Or do you think that would be asking too much?

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                      • nannyde
                        All powerful, all knowing daycare whisperer
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 7320

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Childminder
                        Here I serve milk over age one, and my choice of formula (which is Kirkland brand) to children under one. If the parent wants me to serve something else they have to sign a waiver and provide it themselves. Food program rules.
                        Exactly that:

                        Kirkland brand otherwise parent brings
                        http://www.amazon.com/Daycare-Whispe...=doing+daycare

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                        • missnikki
                          Advanced Daycare.com Member
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 1033

                          #13
                          Originally posted by daycare
                          is it possible to ask a parent to get a written note if a child has an allergy? EX. let say a child has allergies to Peanutbutter... Can we say please have a writen note with side effects to look for from your doc. This way I can put it in your child's file?? Or do you think that would be asking too much?
                          If they have a potentially life-threatening or even an emergency room grade allergy or disability, you can bet I'd ask for clarification on things that I would need to know to properly care for him. In my state, you must have a health/ability survey that the parent fills out on each child on file, and a health assessment from a physician too. I think if you are being told something other than what the doc's report says, you can ask to have it verified. I don't know if I can require it, but I can certainly ask.

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                          • mac60
                            Advanced Daycare.com Member
                            • May 2008
                            • 1610

                            #14
                            I would document with receipts and and documemented conversations and deduct it at tax time. No way would I foot the bill for that one, I would get my money back one way or another.

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                            • youretooloud
                              Advanced Daycare.com Member
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 1955

                              #15
                              Originally posted by daycare
                              is it possible to ask a parent to get a written note if a child has an allergy? EX. let say a child has allergies to Peanutbutter... Can we say please have a writen note with side effects to look for from your doc. This way I can put it in your child's file?? Or do you think that would be asking too much?
                              The ones who actually DO have an allergy come in with a note and info. One girl has an epi pen. It's the ones who say "he's allergic to eggs", and then you discover, he just hates them.... he's not allergic. Or, "one time, he ate strawberry yogurt and had diarrhea the next day. So, he's allergic to strawberries." Except when it's convenient to THEM to give him the icecream with strawberries. Then, suddenly, he's only a little bit allergic.

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