Worried About Getting into the DC Business

[Unregistered]

ok?

There's gonna be drama on every board you visit at one point or another.


When it comes to age, didn't we just have the thread about how age effects enrollment? If I recall correctly I'm sure nearly all the early 20s people said they had no problem getting clients because of their age.

As for education, I have a degree and never once has a parent asked in an interview about my education. I don't feel I am a better provider or more professional than any other provider just because I have a degree, I learned nothing about the business side or general care side of childcare in school, that has been all been hands on (and this board ). And on that same note I have DCPs that know I have a degree but still refer to me as "babysitter."

IMO the Tabatha debate :confused: has nothing to with these situations, its a tv show about people who have given up and are about to loose their businesses because they don't care and have just let everything go

i don't think this is really helping with the "moving on" thing. it seems like it is adding salt to the wounds. it kind of proving daycaremom2012's original point about dissecting everything someone says.

[Lyss]

i don't think this is really helping with the "moving on" thing. it seems like it is adding salt to the wounds. it kind of proving daycaremom2012's original point about dissecting everything someone says.

And this isn't? Please, its pot stirring

I was directing OP to my experiences with education and the thread about age in relation to enrollment. Tabatha comment? Yeah it has nothing to do with childcare but its been going back and forth. I'll comment on it if I feel like it, just like you can post what you want on whatever thread you want

[Unregistered]

Please don't assume that I don't value the education of a child.....

I discuss the downside of standards getting higher and more time consuming because as a child care provider (WITH a degree, by the way) I already work 50-60+ hours per week.

Requiring MORE from a provider who works that much in a week's time for LOW wages is NOT something that is doable or even feasible in the real world.

Child care providers are already one of the lowest paid professions there is. Not to mention the fact that there are no medical benefits, pensions or retirement plans just more standards.

I FULLY and 100% support the change in standards for Early Childhood TEACHERS but NOT for child care providers.

That is the difference you are not seeing/understanding.

NOT all child care providers WANT to teach academics.

Some just want to provide quality care and have fun while doing it....and to do that you do NOT need to know all the things you learn from a formal education.

....and no, family child care will never be the same again.....the government has taken the "family" part out.

Black Cat, Why do you feel the need to always be so condescending and judgmental? You act as if you know it all and no one elses opinion matters. Its the exact reason that I am no longer a member of this forum.

[Starburst]

And this isn't? Please, its pot stirring

I was directing OP to my experiences with education and the thread about age in relation to enrollment. Tabatha comment? Yeah it has nothing to do with childcare but its been going back and forth. I'll comment on it if I feel like it, just like you can post what you want on whatever thread you want

OK I only made the Tabitha reference once. IDK why BC said I "keep making a reference to it" because that Tabitha/Super Nanny thread was started by someone else, not by me- I may have responded to it but I didn't start it. Then I tried to explained to BC what it was and what my point was. And for some reason you seem to be fixated on that and trying to tear me down with it. It has to do with business and professionalism in general, no just child care. Sorry if you don't get the point I am trying to get across but I like using metaphors and examples when I am explaining something; sometimes from TV shows or other areas of life, to make my point, that's how I learn and that's how I explain things. And I yes I did in fact think that it was germane to that conversation at the time since it was about professionalism (which is what most of that show is about).

Why do you feel the need to open this up again? As well as trying to get in the middle of it? And yes honestly you are stirring the pot right now after everything has cooled off and I even apologized to the original post for letting it accelerate this far and off the original topic. And this type of behavior you have shown is even more bringing the point across that DCM2012 was saying. Its things like this that make me feel unwelcome here and what does make some people leave because they don't want to be bullied by someone who is supposed to be an adult. And yes I do consider this borderline cyber bullying (intentionally trying to pick on someone and trying to cause them unnecessary stress) and I am sick of it.

[Blackcat31]

Um, ok...

first off, there are NO forum rules stating that threads can't go off topic.

As a matter of fact, more threads do than don't and that is great.....daycare related comments, opinions and advice is ALL relevant content for this board.

Why can't posters discuss things they disagree about or view differently?


@Starburst~....I mean this with a kind heart.... lovethis

I think you need to let go of feeling as if members don't take you seriously based on your age or parental status as there are many members here that are the same age as well as members who don't have children yet.

I am sorry you feel that is how people perceive you as I certainly don't.

I think you have valid content and usually offer really good advice and support.

There are times in which you do seem to struggle to get your point across or perhaps misinterpret what others are saying, but again that is not age dependent....we ALL do it.


Personally, I don't think Lyss is stirring any pot..... her first post was actually a great condensed version of what I was trying to say.

She stated her opinion, just like everyone else has done. I don't see how that is bullying anyone.


@Daycaremom2012~ In response to the "going back and forth".... I was having a discussion with Starburst. Not all threads are just one member after another saying "I agree" over and over. Some of them do get heated sometimes but I don't think anyone here was being rude or out of line.

Starburst and I often see things from a different perspective and although we may appear to disagree more often than not, her opinion is still valuable and insightful to me.


@unregistered~ I am sorry you feel I come across as judgmental and condescending. That is never my intent.

[DaycareMom2012]

@Daycaremom2012~ In response to the "going back and forth".... I was having a discussion with Starburst. Not all threads are just one member after another saying "I agree" over and over. Some of them do get heated sometimes but I don't think anyone here was being rude or out of line.

Starburst and I often see things from a different perspective and although we may appear to disagree more often than not, her opinion is still valuable and insightful to me.


THere is nothing wrong with going back and forth as that is what happens in any discussion, of course, however I took most of the discussion that I read between you two as she was just trying to explain herself and justify what she commented, which is something she nor anyone else should have to do, you nor anyone else here are anyone that any of us should feel the need to explain ourselves to. If someone posts something I do not agree with, I just keep it moving and do not comment if I have nothing nice to say. It seems that you comment on everything someone has to say, and IMO it's not always needed, but then again that is my opinion and others may feel different and that is fine. I just feel that if I post something and someone doesn't agree or if I do not put it in the right context, then it will just be a negative back and forth thing. I'm all for people disagreeing with each other and making their points or putting in their input, however there are nicer ways to do it w/o being condescending.

[Lyss]

OK I only made the Tabitha reference once. IDK why BC said I "keep making a reference to it" because that Tabitha/Super Nanny thread was started by someone else, not by me- I may have responded to it but I didn't start it. Then I tried to explained to BC what it was and what my point was. And for some reason you seem to be fixated on that and trying to tear me down with it. It has to do with business and professionalism in general, no just child care. Sorry if you don't get the point I am trying to get across but I like using metaphors and examples when I am explaining something; sometimes from TV shows or other areas of life, to make my point, that's how I learn and that's how I explain things. And I yes I did in fact think that it was germane to that conversation at the time since it was about professionalism (which is what most of that show is about).

Why do you feel the need to open this up again? As well as trying to get in the middle of it? And yes honestly you are stirring the pot right now after everything has cooled off and I even apologized to the original post for letting it accelerate this far and off the original topic. And this type of behavior you have shown is even more bringing the point across that DCM2012 was saying. Its things like this that make me feel unwelcome here and what does make some people leave because they don't want to be bullied by someone who is supposed to be an adult. And yes I do consider this borderline cyber bullying (intentionally trying to pick on someone and trying to cause them unnecessary stress) and I am sick of it.

I'm a cyber bully? That is a rude comment IMO. I NEVER said anything bad about you in any way, I never called you out or attacked you. I don't think ill of you or anything a long that lines. You have had many great points on many threads but everyone disagrees. I was posting to OP about things I have experienced and adding my two cents. I didn't realize this thread wasn't for everyone.

I am not "picking any fights" or being rude intentionally. I now see I my :: didn't appear at the end of my last post and if you already thought I was out to get you, you would take that as rude but I wasn't even talking to you and it wasn't about you. MANY of these threads go off topic, its the nature of conversation, I'm sorry that you feel I did it intentional just to get at you but really it had nothing to do with you. I was just posting on the recently active threads for today and this was one.

[Lyss]

@Daycaremom2012~ In response to the "going back and forth".... I was having a discussion with Starburst. Not all threads are just one member after another saying "I agree" over and over. Some of them do get heated sometimes but I don't think anyone here was being rude or out of line.

Starburst and I often see things from a different perspective and although we may appear to disagree more often than not, her opinion is still valuable and insightful to me.


THere is nothing wrong with going back and forth as that is what happens in any discussion, of course, however I took most of the discussion that I read between you two as she was just trying to explain herself and justify what she commented, which is something she nor anyone else should have to do, you nor anyone else here are anyone that any of us should feel the need to explain ourselves to. If someone posts something I do not agree with, I just keep it moving and do not comment if I have nothing nice to say. It seems that you comment on everything someone has to say, and IMO it's not always needed, but then again that is my opinion and others may feel different and that is fine. I just feel that if I post something and someone doesn't agree or if I do not put it in the right context, then it will just be a negative back and forth thing. I'm all for people disagreeing with each other and making their points or putting in their input, however there are nicer ways to do it w/o being condescending.

I wasn't trying to say anything rude to you in my last post, but I've been accused of it so I'll clarify. I was just stating that all online forums have drama. People feel more comfortable behind the anonymity of a computer screen so these places tend to have major spurts of drama. I hope that you do stay.:hug:

[Starburst]

It was those emoticons like that kinda made it seem like you were making fun of me and I may have been a little sensitive because last year on my birthday I was harassed and cyber bullied by friends of a friend through my friends FB page (I was not friends with them). And I tried not to do anything about it but they just keep going and going and pretty much ruined my birthday. The worst thing was they weren't just kids they were a couple in their 40s !

So I may be a little touchy about that and I jumped the gun a bit and I am sorry about that. As one of my ECE teachers put it "you never know what is in someone else backpack" meaning you never now what they have been through or how they see things.

[Lyss]

It was those emoticons like that kinda made it like you were making fun of me and I may have been a little sensitive because last year on my birthday I was harassed and cyber bullied by friends of a friend through my friends FB page (I was not friends with them). And I tried not to do anything about it but they just keep going and going and pretty much ruined my birthday. The worst thing was they weren't just kids they were a couple in their 40s !

So I may be a little touchy about that and I jumped the gun a bit and I am sorry about that. But as one of my ECE teachers put it "you never know what is in someone else backpack" meaning you never now what they have been through or how they see things.

I'm sorry you were bullied, that's not something I'd wish on anyone.

And I'm sorry it came off as being directed at you but my comments with the s honestly had nothing to do with you. I even quoted the "unregistered" I was replying to in order to avoid this situation. So unless you logged out to egg on the conversation and then logged back in to chastise me for responding to the unregistered comment (which I'm NOT saying you did in anyway, shape, or form [or tone] because I know you wouldn't do that) I promise it had nothing to do with you and I didn't mean anything bad about you (or anyone really). I just joking around with 1 unregistered user, not purposefully offending "many registered users" like you accused. So again, sorry it came off as being directed at you. I'm not out to get you or start drama for you.