At What Age?

[daycare]

[QUOTE=JenNJ;105827]

wow how do you do it? None of my DCK even started to potty train until they were 3.... It only took a few days which was nice../QUOTE]

Part of the issue is the late start. Kids should start potty training as soon as they have the beginning of control which is about 18 months.

the thing is, is that I don't start the potty training process. I require that the parents start them at home first and that it's on the parents to decide when they will start potty training their child. I used to start it here, but then it became pointless when the parents were not assisting them at home. It was a never ending battle..,

So are you starting it there at DC or how do you work that out?

[JenNJ]

[QUOTE=daycare;105830]

the thing is, is that I don't start the potty training process. I require that the parents start them at home first and that it's on the parents to decide when they will start potty training their child. I used to start it here, but then it became pointless when the parents were not assisting them at home. It was a never ending battle..,

So are you starting it there at DC or how do you work that out?

I honestly DON'T do it. Before snack, everyone washes hands. I ask who needs to use the toilet. Those who want to try, so. Those who don't, don't. Most use the toilet here first. I tell the parents, parents get the hint and start at home. All I do is offer the opportunity and exposure to the bathroom bc I don't think kids KNOW what goes on in a bathroom at home. Weird, right?.

I do however work VERY hard on undressing/dressing themselves. I cannot stand when a parent tells me their kid is PT but they cant pull their pants off alone.

[daycare]

[QUOTE=JenNJ;105832]

I honestly DON'T do it. Before snack, everyone washes hands. I ask who needs to use the toilet. Those who want to try, so. Those who don't, don't. Most use the toilet here first. I tell the parents, parents get the hint and start at home. All I do is offer the opportunity and exposure to the bathroom bc I don't think kids KNOW what goes on in a bathroom at home. Weird, right?.

I do however work VERY hard on undressing/dressing themselves. I cannot stand when a parent tells me their kid is PT but they cant pull their pants off alone.

OMG yes I agree about the dressing and undressing. I currently have two DCK that refuse to get their shoes on or dress themself.... I will help them verbally, but won't physically... the thing that gets me the most is when the parents arrive and they sit down and do it all for them......WTH they just undid everything I taught them......

[Blackcat31]

I do things the exact same way as JenNJ. A child is potty trained when they can master all the things that go along with using the toilet. Including dressing and undressing, wiping themselves and all the othe fun things that go along with using the bathroom.

If a child cannot tell me they need to go or simply just goes on their own then they are NOT trained. One of my biggest pet peeves is a parent who tells me their child is trained but I will need to sit them on the toilet every 30 minutes or so....ummmm ......nope.

Don't get me wrong....I will gladly assist parents when their child is training but "training" and "trained" are two completely different things.

[momma2girls]

I even have this in my contract now- I totally agree with black cat!!

[SilverSabre25]

I do things the exact same way as JenNJ. A child is potty trained when they can master all the things that go along with using the toilet. Including dressing and undressing, wiping themselves and all the othe fun things that go along with using the bathroom.

If a child cannot tell me they need to go or simply just goes on their own then they are NOT trained. One of my biggest pet peeves is a parent who tells me their child is trained but I will need to sit them on the toilet every 30 minutes or so....ummmm ......nope.

Don't get me wrong....I will gladly assist parents when their child is training but "training" and "trained" are two completely different things.

bolding mine

Yep, I heard this one recently--"Oh she's potty trained! You just have to get her to the potty every 45 minutes." Yeah...she's not trained, you're trained! I praised her progress (to the parents) and smiled and said, "Well, she'll have to be initiating potty trips for both poop AND pee here before we can go to underwear."

So far, she's never initiated a single potty trip...

[daycare]

thanks so much for all of the feed back......

I guess my question is, does any one have an age limit where they WILL NOT go into the bathroom with a child?

I was once told by a parent that I am paid to wipe thier 5 year old child's butt...yeah they got termed....

What I am looking for is a number... or do you think that I should not put a number on when I will not assist them in the bathroom.....

like someone else said, it does depend on the child, but at some point we really cant be in the bathroom with the child...............uggh am i confusing myself or making this harder than it has to be??


this is what I have writen in my PHB as far as toielting goes.... what am i missing?


All children in the potty training process and those fully potty trained will have access to use the bathroom at anytime of the day when needed. There will also be scheduled bathroom breaks that your child will be asked to use the bathroom throughout the day.

Children of the opposite sex will not be permitted to use the restroom together at any time. However, children of the same sex may be permitted to use the bathroom together when necessary.

For safety reasons, at no time will a child be allowed to shut or lock the bathroom door. Children will be given complete privacy at all times if needed.

After using the toilet, all children will be required to wash hands with soap and water. Please help your child practice this at home as well. Frequent practice will help enforce a good habit.
The ****** DC will only assist in potty training your child. Potty training is a huge milestone in every child’s life and must be started at home by the parents. For those wishing to potty train, please ask for a potty training policy.

Diapering will take place approximately every two hours or when needed. For those needing special creams or powders, please fill out a permission to administer form at time of enrollment. No special applications will be applied without it.

[JenNJ]

I allow dck in the bathroom with the door shut for privacy. Only one in the the bathroom at a time. After 4 I do not assist at all. Up to age 4 I assist in wiping if necessary. All children must wash hands in front of me so I am sure it is done properly.

And yes, you are amking this too hard. I don't think this all needs to be in the phb. I hand out a seperate potty training sheet when the time comes.

[daycare]

I allow dck in the bathroom with the door shut for privacy. Only one in the the bathroom at a time. After 4 I do not assist at all. Up to age 4 I assist in wiping if necessary. All children must wash hands in front of me so I am sure it is done properly.

And yes, you are amking this too hard. I don't think this all needs to be in the phb. I hand out a seperate potty training sheet when the time comes.

ok I did needed to hear that...thanks I will look into changing my PHB policy.... I do offer a seperate potty training policy as well...

You know we cant cover it all, but I have had soooooo many issues with the bathroom its not even funny. LIke when one of the kids locked themself inside the bathroom and I had to have my neighbor come break the door down.... Yeah no more closing the door.... It's always when something goes wrong that I have to write it in my PHB....

What a crappy situation to be in really.....

[JenNJ]

Easy fix on that. Change the handle to one without a lock but put a hook and eye up high for adults who use that restroom.

[daycare]

Easy fix on that. Change the handle to one without a lock but put a hook and eye up high for adults who use that restroom.

lmao guess what it is that kind of lock...... some how it malfunctioned and got stuck... I dont have any kind of lock on the door at all...

[Abigail]

this is what I have writen in my PHB as far as toielting goes.... what am i missing?


All children in the potty training process and those fully potty trained will have access to use the bathroom at anytime of the day when needed. There will also be scheduled bathroom breaks that your child will be asked to use the bathroom throughout the day.

Children of the opposite sex will not be permitted to use the restroom together at any time. However, children of the same sex may be permitted to use the bathroom together when necessary.

For safety reasons, at no time will a child be allowed to shut or lock the bathroom door. Children will be given complete privacy at all times if needed.

After using the toilet, all children will be required to wash hands with soap and water. Please help your child practice this at home as well. Frequent practice will help enforce a good habit.
The ****** DC will only assist in potty training your child. Potty training is a huge milestone in every child’s life and must be started at home by the parents. For those wishing to potty train, please ask for a potty training policy.

Diapering will take place approximately every two hours or when needed. For those needing special creams or powders, please fill out a permission to administer form at time of enrollment. No special applications will be applied without it.

I think this is way to much. You don't have any clear set of rules. You should add what you need to in your potty training policy and keep this short and simple on your basic practices.

If you want the parents to read and remember, put it in order of your priority. This is the general part of my diapering/toilet section in my handbook:

Toilet training must begin at home before it will begin at daycare. I will assist your child in toilet training with the understanding that it will be successful only if we work together. Pull ups are required until the child goes two weeks accident free. If multiple accidents occur in a week, the child will need pull ups for another two week accident free period.

Please send your child in easy on/easy off clothing until they are able to completely undress/dress themselves. At least two outfits are required if your child is toilet training. I will not launder soiled clothes, they will be sent home with you daily. Please replenish their clothes the next day.

As far as mentioning that potty breaks are every two hours or as needed, that is in my schedule. I would explain to parents that the times listed are not the only times they're allowed to go so they understand. I would change your door lock and just remove it all together. I wouldn't want to be told the door must stay open while they use the bathroom and I certainly don't want to read that another child will be using the bathroom with my child. It would make sense if you have two toilets in the bathroom, but assuming you don't I wouldn't even add that. It's just a red flag. It's different if a child is washing their hands and another child really has to go badly and runs in to sit down if they're the same gender, but it's nothing that needs to be written.

[daycare]

I think this is way to much. You don't have any clear set of rules. You should add what you need to in your potty training policy and keep this short and simple on your basic practices.

If you want the parents to read and remember, put it in order of your priority. This is the general part of my diapering/toilet section in my handbook:

Toilet training must begin at home before it will begin at daycare. I will assist your child in toilet training with the understanding that it will be successful only if we work together. Pull ups are required until the child goes two weeks accident free. If multiple accidents occur in a week, the child will need pull ups for another two week accident free period.

Please send your child in easy on/easy off clothing until they are able to completely undress/dress themselves. At least two outfits are required if your child is toilet training. I will not launder soiled clothes, they will be sent home with you daily. Please replenish their clothes the next day.

but this is not a potty training policy, it is a general policy/rules for the bathroom useage...

One of the things that I have learned about dealing with parents is that it needs to be written out in black and white leaving no GRAY area.

These are all issues that have come up at my DC over the years and reasons that they have made their way into my PHB....

[PitterPatter]

I think this is way to much. You don't have any clear set of rules. You should add what you need to in your potty training policy and keep this short and simple on your basic practices.

If you want the parents to read and remember, put it in order of your priority. This is the general part of my diapering/toilet section in my handbook:

Toilet training must begin at home before it will begin at daycare. I will assist your child in toilet training with the understanding that it will be successful only if we work together. Pull ups are required until the child goes two weeks accident free. If multiple accidents occur in a week, the child will need pull ups for another two week accident free period.

Please send your child in easy on/easy off clothing until they are able to completely undress/dress themselves. At least two outfits are required if your child is toilet training. I will not launder soiled clothes, they will be sent home with you daily. Please replenish their clothes the next day.

As far as mentioning that potty breaks are every two hours or as needed, that is in my schedule. I would explain to parents that the times listed are not the only times they're allowed to go so they understand. I would change your door lock and just remove it all together. I wouldn't want to be told the door must stay open while they use the bathroom and I certainly don't want to read that another child will be using the bathroom with my child. It would make sense if you have two toilets in the bathroom, but assuming you don't I wouldn't even add that. It's just a red flag. It's different if a child is washing their hands and another child really has to go badly and runs in to sit down if they're the same gender, but it's nothing that needs to be written.

The short and sweet version like Abigail writes here is something like mine however, u did make a good point daycare, when u mentioned the washing of the hands. I have had 2 clients that do NOT wash their hands when they are done in my restroom. I know for a fact because I hear the flush and they immediatley open the door and come out. No wet hand towels and no extra paper towels removed from the roll. (when the kids rip off towels they are always torn crooked or damp) the definate give away is the sink is dry! I got curious and went to look after a few times. I know I am nibby but these same parents then hold the railing or touch my walls when going down the stairs. YUK! So the handwashing routine may be a good hint to drop in there even if just for the parents to get a clue.

[Country Kids]

What I'm not understanding is when providers say the parents have to start the potty training first or have the child almost potty trained before the provider starts working with the child on the toilet. When do these parents even have the time to do this. The are maybe only with their child 3 hours in the evening and a child MIGHT only need to go 2 times if they are lucky before betime. I had a 3 year old here today that only went 3 times in 9 hours. Yes, she was drinking and such but not needing to go to the bathroom. So I believe that when a parent wants their child to start potty training it is up to us to really get that child started because most children are in care 8-10 hours. We are with the child more waking hours than the parent so to make my job easier I would rather get the child going on the toilet.

The age that you have to help a child depends on the child. I have a friend that her child didn't potty train till 2 weeks before kindergarden and they had been working with him for 2 years. The school said well if he isn't potty trained we will work with him. Yes, they were willing to take him in pull-ups in kindergarden because legally they can't turn him away. If he needed changed they would have taken him in a special bathroom and changed him if needed. All of a sudden the child wanted to go by himself and never had an accident since.