It’s Not In The Rules: REALLY??

[momofboys]

one of the main reasons that the parents are not buying into that there is something wrong, is becuase this is the only symptom. were you in any pain of any kind?

I am starting a report and am taking my old ones and are finding some interesting things here. this happens to also be the same child that I posted about that goes all day without eating or drinking food while here....

I am starting to see a trend in some things that are def. wrong..................

So the child typically won't eat/drink while in your care? That is not normal either. KUP on what your county nurse has to say!

[Christian Mother]

Ok, there is def. something wrong...I read your other post about this child not eating or drinking through the day. I thought your DCK was maybe just being difficult...but this sounds serious. Let me ask you this? If that parent is not being a parent and just not taking your concerns seriously...take it in your own hands and deal with the consequences later. I would try and get that nurse on the phone asap. What if something happen in your daycare today, tomorrow..end of the week bc no one is taken proper action right away. If they won't do it...you need to do something and fast. Did you say in this tread that the parents missed 2 wks of work bc there child had a seizure while they all went camping? I can't find that particular message on here. I have to say...I am worried about this child...You need to do something about this if the parents won't. I just ck'd out on google doing a fast search and this is what I found...please don't delay. Force these parents to do something and fast. If they get mad so what. Follow your heart...you know that there is something wrong..go with your gut on this. http://www.ehow.com/about_5382038_wh...-children.html

[daycare]

Ok, there is def. something wrong...I read your other post about this child not eating or drinking through the day. I thought your DCK was maybe just being difficult...but this sounds serious. Let me ask you this? If that parent is not being a parent and just not taking your concerns seriously...take it in your own hands and deal with the consequences later. I would try and get that nurse on the phone asap. What if something happen in your daycare today, tomorrow..end of the week bc no one is taken proper action right away. If they won't do it...you need to do something and fast. Did you say in this tread that the parents missed 2 wks of work bc there child had a seizure while they all went camping? I can't find that particular message on here. I have to say...I am worried about this child...You need to do something about this if the parents won't. I just ck'd out on google doing a fast search and this is what I found...please don't delay. Force these parents to do something and fast. If they get mad so what. Follow your heart...you know that there is something wrong..go with your gut on this. http://www.ehow.com/about_5382038_wh...-children.html

trust me I am doing all that I can... but like the advice nurse said that without any evidence I legally cannot do anything... All that I can do right now is wait for the child to use the bathroom and then collect the stool. keep good documents, which I have been doing.
If it were my child I would have taken them the day of, but it's not and right now it is only my word against theirs sad, but true....

[snbauser]

I hope the child is okay. But as far as policies, if the child had been in the bathroom 5 times before 2pm, they would have gone home.

[Lilbutterflie]

trust me I am doing all that I can... but like the advice nurse said that without any evidence I legally cannot do anything... All that I can do right now is wait for the child to use the bathroom and then collect the stool. keep good documents, which I have been doing.
If it were my child I would have taken them the day of, but it's not and right now it is only my word against theirs sad, but true....

You CAN do something. By going through all of her records today, and realizing there is much more than meets the eye; you have suspicions of neglect, right? I know I DO based on what you've told us, as do many others who have previously posted. You have LOTS of evidence already... the camping trip they took after you told them she was not feeling well & ended with a seizure from pneumonia; white stools with no trip to the Dr., and the countless conversations you've had with them about the child not eating/drinking.

[daycare]

small update

so DCK still has not gone #2 and still waiting to hear from county health nurse..

I have talked to my site monitor and she said that at this point the parent is not in the wrong. Even though she too feels for the child, she said that I have to let the situation be until there is direct proof that there is something medically wrong.... ugh..........

[cillybean83]

i had what felt like gas pains...I was always full, but it didn't feel like i was full as in "i just ate a 3 course meal" i felt like i was pumped full of air, i couldn't eat, i couldn't drink, if i attempted to eat or drink, that's when the pain was really "bad" but...i hesitate to call it pain, it was more like discomfort, i would beat on my chest, have my hubby pound my back, becuae i just felt so FULL, like i needed to burp or something...it was so strange

the real pain didn't kick in until my gall bladder burst, i felt like i had been shot, and in a sense, i had been from the inside...i had internal bleeding, my BP was 59/32 or something crazy like that....i had to get shot up with epinephrine or however you spell it...i almost died, and it got that bad because i put it off for too long, i was totally functional, but when it was bad, it was really bad, it came in spells (the gas pain) but the fullness was constant, i bet i lost 20 pounds because i just didn't want to eat or drink ANYTHING

[daycare]

i had what felt like gas pains...I was always full, but it didn't feel like i was full as in "i just ate a 3 course meal" i felt like i was pumped full of air, i couldn't eat, i couldn't drink, if i attempted to eat or drink, that's when the pain was really "bad" but...i hesitate to call it pain, it was more like discomfort, i would beat on my chest, have my hubby pound my back, becuae i just felt so FULL, like i needed to burp or something...it was so strange

the real pain didn't kick in until my gall bladder burst, i felt like i had been shot, and in a sense, i had been from the inside...i had internal bleeding, my BP was 59/32 or something crazy like that....i had to get shot up with epinephrine or however you spell it...i almost died, and it got that bad because i put it off for too long, i was totally functional, but when it was bad, it was really bad, it came in spells (the gas pain) but the fullness was constant, i bet i lost 20 pounds because i just didn't want to eat or drink ANYTHING

thanks sso much for sharing... as may have seen in my earlier post, this child also does not want to eat either....

I almost feel like I want to fib to the DCP and tell them that the child is vomiting just so that they will take the child to the doctors. Im so frustrated, mad, angry and sad.

I just dont get it.... if someone said hey your kid had ________fill in the blank and it could be a serious condition I would belive them and seek care for my child..

At this point I am going to tell the DCP that I don't feel as though they trust myb judgement so why trust me with their child, however, I don't want to term them as then it would just be sending the child away and will never get care perhaps until its too late??

what would you do?

[Live and Learn]

Don't "fib" (lie) about a child's health to the parent just to make a point.

Just wait it out. Time will tell.

For what it is worth, if it were my child he already would have been seen by a doc. IMHO the parent isn't being as cautious with the child's healthy as she should be.

....but don't lie just to be right.

[daycare]

Don't "fib" (lie) about a child's health to the parent just to make a point.

Just wait it out. Time will tell.

For what it is worth, if it were my child he already would have been seen by a doc. IMHO the parent isn't being as cautious with the child's healthy as she should be.

....but don't lie just to be right.

dear god I hope that I am wrong here... I would never fib to a parent about their child, but trust me I did think about it...not to be right, but to get the child help....

what else could I do at this point to help the child?

[KEG123]

You can't, really. Just have to wait it out, unfortunately. You've done all you can do. You've been given great advice. I know it's hard to be concerned about a child when their parents obviously don't seem to care.

[Lilbutterflie]

I'm just wondering if she had any BM's today?

One thing is for sure. If you have a white bm, it's because it doesn't have any bile in it. That either means something is wrong in the liver (which produces bile), or it's being obstructed before it gets to the gallbladder. I don't think this just fixes itself, whatever condition it is will get worse.

Please keep us informed!

[daycare]

uuugghh

well no update.. dad picked up the child right after nap and there was no BM while the child was here. So the saga goes on until tomorrow.

I am going to call the mom tonight and talk with her. DCD and I don't really get along too well, so I don't talk to him too much....

mom is super sweet, but seems to be ruled by her husband.

thanks for all of your help and responses.... wish me luck tonight talking to the mom

[SilverSabre25]

Good luck! I really hope everything works out for that little girl. White BM is NOT normal and I feel bad for her that her parents don't seem to realize/care.

eta: I really hope you document EVERYTHING--everytime she had a white BM, everytime you spoke to someone about it, EVERYTHING. Because if something tragic happens (god forbid it would, but worst case scenario) I would be worried that the parents would try to blame YOU for it, and you need to have a good strong paper trail to try and PROVE that you did everything in your power to alert the parents and get the child the help she needs.

[daycare]

Good luck! I really hope everything works out for that little girl. White BM is NOT normal and I feel bad for her that her parents don't seem to realize/care.

eta: I really hope you document EVERYTHING--everytime she had a white BM, everytime you spoke to someone about it, EVERYTHING. Because if something tragic happens (god forbid it would, but worst case scenario) I would be worried that the parents would try to blame YOU for it, and you need to have a good strong paper trail to try and PROVE that you did everything in your power to alert the parents and get the child the help she needs.

yes I have and I have even gone a step further to get the county health advisor involved on this. I have sent her my reports and save all the emails that I sent her as well. So I now have her on my side too.....

again thanks so much for your help and advice on this....

so frustrating