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  • jen
    Advanced Daycare.com Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 1832

    The Trouble With Daycare...

    There has obviously been a lot of debate, even our little sight, about long hours at daycare. Recently a large study was completed regarding that very question. I think most providers knew this a looonnnggg time ago...


    Are researchers telling parents the whole truth about day care? The verdict isn't good and parents won't like it.
  • Cat Herder
    Advanced Daycare.com Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 13744

    #2
    Nice share...Thanks!!!

    Have saved to favorites for naptime reading....

    We are on the second course of lunch as I speak....

    Ahhh....the rainy Monday morning, 1st of the month, naptime countdown begins.....::::::
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    • SilverSabre25
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2010
      • 7585

      #3
      While I don't doubt the findings, I wouldn't have the good scientific-trained mind I do if I didn't find myself asking more questions--

      1) is the relationship between more hours in daycare and higher incidence of behavior problems a correlational or causational relationship?

      2) what would they find if they separated out children in centers (large group care) and home daycares (small group)

      3) what if they tossed in the kids cared for by nannies?

      4) is the "cause" of the higher incidence of behavior problems in kids with more time at daycare (lets assume they only looked at centers) a result of poor parenting/no parenting due to lack of time with the parents, or is it due to poor conditions at the center itself (lack of discipline, etc)?

      5) what do the behavior problems look like when adult:child ratios are taken into account?
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      • jen
        Advanced Daycare.com Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 1832

        #4
        Originally posted by SilverSabre25
        While I don't doubt the findings, I wouldn't have the good scientific-trained mind I do if I didn't find myself asking more questions--

        1) is the relationship between more hours in daycare and higher incidence of behavior problems a correlational or causational relationship?

        2) what would they find if they separated out children in centers (large group care) and home daycares (small group)

        3) what if they tossed in the kids cared for by nannies?

        4) is the "cause" of the higher incidence of behavior problems in kids with more time at daycare (lets assume they only looked at centers) a result of poor parenting/no parenting due to lack of time with the parents, or is it due to poor conditions at the center itself (lack of discipline, etc)?

        5) what do the behavior problems look like when adult:child ratios are taken into account?
        I agree, every study begs more questions, that is the nature of science. If fact, when you read the actual study (any study for that matter) it will always list the limitations of the study and ideas for future research.

        That said, this study still provides interesting information and food for thought when we start looking at kids who spend more than 50 hours a week in care, of which I have several.

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        • SilverSabre25
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2010
          • 7585

          #5
          Originally posted by jen
          I agree, every study begs more questions, that is the nature of science. If fact, when you read the actual study (any study for that matter) it will always list the limitations of the study and ideas for future research.

          That said, this study still provides interesting information and food for thought when we start looking at kids who spend more than 50 hours a week in care, of which I have several.
          My biggest problem with the article is that it doesn't provide a link to the actual study. Now, it does say that it is an on-going study, so there may not be a link to give, but it still stinks of "science on demand" which bugs me. I come from a very scientific background and am naturally suspicious of things that smell like science on demand.

          I guess the rest of my problem with the article itself (again, I don't doubt the findings, I just can't help questioning them anyway) is that it doesn't specify what they mean by "daycare"--if it's any care not being done by a parent, if it's centers, if they include home-based, etc. "Daycare" can mean so MANY things to different people, I'd love to know what their definition is.
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          • MommyMuffin
            Daycare.com Member
            • Jun 2010
            • 860

            #6
            Very interesting. What I want to know is a study on children of daycare providers. I would be curious about effects of having a mom or dad being a provider and sharing most of their time between all kids and having other kids in their home a lot of the time.

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            • jen
              Advanced Daycare.com Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 1832

              #7
              Originally posted by SilverSabre25
              My biggest problem with the article is that it doesn't provide a link to the actual study. Now, it does say that it is an on-going study, so there may not be a link to give, but it still stinks of "science on demand" which bugs me. I come from a very scientific background and am naturally suspicious of things that smell like science on demand.

              I guess the rest of my problem with the article itself (again, I don't doubt the findings, I just can't help questioning them anyway) is that it doesn't specify what they mean by "daycare"--if it's any care not being done by a parent, if it's centers, if they include home-based, etc. "Daycare" can mean so MANY things to different people, I'd love to know what their definition is.
              Actually, I just chose the most user friendly version...most people want a synopsis of the information, I have actually looked, although NOT STUDIED the actual peer reviewed article. I've got a psych degree and taking a Applied Research class in prep for starting my Masters in the Fall....that is how I originally came across the information...so I completely understand your questioning of using a popular magazine article as opposed to a scientific one.

              here you go...http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com.libpr...0.01431.x/full

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              • Cat Herder
                Advanced Daycare.com Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 13744

                #8
                Jen,

                Do you know of any studies based on the escalating patterns of stress behaviors of child care providers?

                Especially the escalating patterns in relation to provider child abuse and/or neglect.
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                • jen
                  Advanced Daycare.com Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 1832

                  #9
                  No, but I haven't actually looked for any...I have looked at some really interesting studies on increases of cortisol levels in children attending daycare. Super interesting stuff.

                  I can run a quick inquiry during nap time tho...

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                  • Cat Herder
                    Advanced Daycare.com Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 13744

                    #10
                    Originally posted by jen
                    No, but I haven't actually looked for any...I have looked at some really interesting studies on increases of cortisol levels in children attending daycare. Super interesting stuff.

                    I can run a quick inquiry during nap time tho...
                    You rock!! Thanks...
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                    • jen
                      Advanced Daycare.com Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 1832

                      #11
                      Aww, thanks! And, no problem...

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                      • DCMomOf3
                        Advanced Daycare.com Member
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 1246

                        #12
                        Originally posted by jen
                        Actually, I just chose the most user friendly version...most people want a synopsis of the information, I have actually looked, although NOT STUDIED the actual peer reviewed article. I've got a psych degree and taking a Applied Research class in prep for starting my Masters in the Fall....that is how I originally came across the information...so I completely understand your questioning of using a popular magazine article as opposed to a scientific one.

                        here you go...http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com.libpr...0.01431.x/full
                        I can't access the link since I am not affiliated to SCSU.

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                        • jen
                          Advanced Daycare.com Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 1832

                          #13
                          Originally posted by DCMomOf3
                          I can't access the link since I am not affiliated to SCSU.
                          Shoot...I clicked it when I wasn't logged in to SCSU and it worked so I thought it might work for you as well...

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                          • MyAngels
                            Member
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 4217

                            #14
                            Just glancing through the thread here, and haven't read through the material, but is this the link to the study mentioned in the first article?

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                            • jen
                              Advanced Daycare.com Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 1832

                              #15
                              I was able to find the information on stress/cortisol levels/provider interaction on a outside of SCSU. This too is not the full study, but since I can't provide the SCSU link, this is the best I can do...

                              The part about HOW providers teach letters/numbers is especially interesting (to me anyway)

                              site http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0514074919.htm

                              I included this little section in light of our preschool conversations as of late...

                              "The study found that about 40 percent of the children showed elevations in cortisol that were large enough to indicate that their bodies were stressed. It also found that cortisol increases over the day were larger in settings where care providers were intrusive or overcontrolling. In such settings, children moved frequently between activities, were given relatively little time for free play, and spent long periods of time in structured activities led by the providers. While many of these structured activities seemed designed to help the preschoolers learn letters, numbers, and colors, the activities weren't carried out in a way that allowed the children to learn actively through play, but rather in a rote fashion that required the little ones to sit quietly and respond when called on."
                              Last edited by DCMomOf3; 02-28-2011, 12:28 PM.

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