Covid Vaccine?

[Gemma]

If you have an underlying condition, such as diabetes, and you get Covid and die, than you died from covid with an underlying condition of diabetes.

IMO If it's true that social distancing, wearing a mask and vaccinate can keep one from getting infected, this info should be given as an advise to the vulnerable, the CDC/government should not impose restrictions on everyone.
I feel the same about vaccines, if they save the individual who gets it, no vaccine should ever be mandatory JMO

[VictoryCare]

But who has it, and who is just a carrier, that's why we need a mandate, everyone wears a mask for 10 weeks, or for years, I say 10 weeks, people don't want to sacrifice, they want everything right now, its easier to believe this isn't real so they can justify not following the rules. These scientist in the WHOLE world are conspiring together and have nothing better to do with their time, those who do not wear masks are selfish and have no regard for others

[VictoryCare]

WITH covid or FROM covid your fighting over semantics, your dead whether from or with, covid helped kill you either way

[VictoryCare]

The path to freedom and truth is through sacrifice and compliance, there are rules for everything and everybody. You want things back to normal then do the work

[MyAngels]

The biggest question for me now with this pandemic is-what is the number of those that have died WITH Covid as opposed to those that have died FROM Covid?

This is the kind of thinking that allows people to believe they are justified in bucking the system when it comes to wearing masks, etc. I have an Aunt who is a diabetic. She caught Covid. Prior to being infected with Covid she was relatively healthy at 78 years old, her diabetes was pretty well controlled. She died within a week of catching Covid. Barring some unforeseen circumstance, she'd be alive today if she had not been infected with Covid.

With or from is neither here nor there. It does not seem like anyone has any idea who will be killed or affected long term from Covid. My dh (diabetic) got it, with no ill effects so far. A 30 year old woman in my town with no underlying conditions died within a week. That's why we should be at least trying to stop the spread until we can get more information and/or a vaccine.

[Michael]

The path to freedom and truth is through sacrifice and compliance, there are rules for everything and everybody. You want things back to normal then do the work

There’s an old saying- the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Do with your life as you see fit. No one is preventing you from doing so.

[Michael]

This is the kind of thinking that allows people to believe they are justified in bucking the system when it comes to wearing masks, etc. I have an Aunt who is a diabetic. She caught Covid. Prior to being infected with Covid she was relatively healthy at 78 years old, her diabetes was pretty well controlled. She died within a week of catching Covid. Barring some unforeseen circumstance, she'd be alive today if she had not been infected with Covid.

With or from is neither here nor there. It does not seem like anyone has any idea who will be killed or affected long term from Covid. My dh (diabetic) got it, with no ill effects so far. A 30 year old woman in my town with no underlying conditions died within a week. That's why we should be at least trying to stop the spread until we can get more information and/or a vaccine.

No one is minimizing the dangers of this or any disease. COVID is no different that any pathogen that can kill. Close to 40,000 Americans die from influenza each year but we still go about our lives. Does it matter more or less if there are more deaths form COVID? The answer is yes. But only if those numbers are dying FROM Covid. I am skeptical that the current numbers are as high as they are.

Very early on I wore N95 masks, used sanitizers, gloves, even washed my groceries, you name it, I was doing it. If anyone was taking it seriously, I was. My thinking has evolved. Back in May, my good friend’s cousin died in New York. He told me it was from Covid. That is what the hospital had told his family. What he eventually found out was that that his cousin died from a drug overdose. But since his cousin had the Covid antibodies he was listed as dying from Covid. That matters. It matters with government policies and procedures, budgeting and the movement of resources. Trillions of dollars are involved.

If the purpose of these lockdowns is to keep people from dying, then the simplest remedy would be to stay safe home and never go out. That goes for any activity, be it driving, skiing, hang gliding, mountain climbing, scuba diving, dining out and even traveling to foreign countries. I’m not will make that sacrifice-living.

I’m glad the vaccine is going to be available. Those that want it and will become free, and liberated from the threat. They should be the first in line. I doubt I will ever be in that line. I go to great lengths to take care of my immune system, how I manage it and the things I put in my body.

What becomes of America- is in how it then treats those that do not want the vaccine. That will be interesting. Will we all go about finally living and moving forward or will it result in there being a policy of forced punishment or reward?

[VictoryCare]

Sometimes you dont know whats good for you. You can choose not to vaccinate. But to choose not to wear a mask and follow guidelines is not only putting yourself at risk but its putting others at risk as well, and with that you shouldnt get to decide

[MyAngels]

No one is minimizing the dangers of this or any disease. COVID is no different that any pathogen that can kill. Close to 40,000 Americans die from influenza each year but we still go about our lives. Does it matter more or less if there are more deaths form COVID? The answer is yes. But only if those numbers are dying FROM Covid. I am skeptical that the current numbers are as high as they are.

Very early on I wore N95 masks, used sanitizers, gloves, even washed my groceries, you name it, I was doing it. If anyone was taking it seriously, I was. My thinking has evolved. Back in May, my good friend’s cousin died in New York. He told me it was from Covid. That is what the hospital had told his family. What he eventually found out was that that his cousin died from a drug overdose. But since his cousin had the Covid antibodies he was listed as dying from Covid. That matters. It matters with government policies and procedures, budgeting and the movement of resources. Trillions of dollars are involved.

If the purpose of these lockdowns is to keep people from dying, then the simplest remedy would be to stay safe home and never go out. That goes for any activity, be it driving, skiing, hang gliding, mountain climbing, scuba diving, dining out and even traveling to foreign countries. I’m not will make that sacrifice-living.

I’m glad the vaccine is going to be available. Those that want it and will become free, and liberated from the threat. They should be the first in line. I doubt I will ever be in that line. I go to great lengths to take care of my immune system, how I manage it and the things I put in my body.

What becomes of America- is in how it then treats those that do not want the vaccine. That will be interesting. Will we all go about finally living and moving forward or will it result in there being a policy of forced punishment or reward?

I do agree that the numbers are somewhat inflated, but even if they are only half of the numbers reported it's a lot higher than the flu. Your friend's cousin's death was caused by an overdose, I don't consider that an underlying condition. Wherever government funding is involved there is always going to be fraud, waste and abuse.

The problem I see with Covid is there are so many people who are asymptomatic or only mildly symptomatic that the spread is nearly impossible to control without using the very simple tasks of mask wearing, social distancing, and hand washing. I guess in my simple mind I truly don't understand why people are so het up over something so simple. It's not like we're going to be asked to do it forever.

I don't agree with all of the lockdowns being imposed. If we can be cheek by jowl at the local Walmart then we should be able to choose to go to the gym, the salon or out to eat. We each have to be responsible for our own actions. If you feel vulnerable to the virus, then you need to act accordingly. No one is forcing you to go out to eat, or to a large gathering, or any where else for that matter.

As far as the vaccine, I'm leaning towards getting it at this point, but I'll make that decision when it becomes available to me. I definitely won't be villanizing anyone who doesn't want to get it. I don't think twice when someone doesn't want a flu shot and this is no different to me. IMO no matter how many do or do not get vaccinated, these lockdowns need to end the minute the vaccine is available to the general public and preferably sooner.

[VictoryCare]

The lockdown could have been a thing of the past but people did not want to do the work, and therefore we have to have the shutdowns, and you say that thd numbers are inflated, so every scientist, doctor, nurse, local hospital, every healthcare worker here and around the world are all lying???

[Unregistered]

I'm sorry for anyone who lost anyone- Covid or otherwise. However, NO ONE CAN SAY WITH ANY CERTAINTY that their time was not their time, and they were only taken from COVID. There have been many cases where covid was not the actual cause of death, but something else. Even car accidents were being reported as covid-19, simply because the person had tested presumptive positive. There is clearly a lot of money involved, and where there is money, there are lies. I wouldn't trust anything that the government tells us at this point. They don't want us to know anything. The government is so corrupt, that yes I do believe, that several people around the world are lying, and making this a lot worse than it really is. Additionally, some people have tested multiple times going towards all the overall numbers.

Additionally, I don't know why anyone believes that a vaccine just suddenly came readily available, from March until now. SARS-COV-2 and varying different streams of coronavirus has, have been studied for many years. If you look at the peer reviewed journals out there, you will find that in around 2003, it was predicted that something like this would eventually happen. And look at where we are. Now that cannot be a straight-up coincidence. There is so much more to this whole story, there will never be a way any of us will understand it. There is way too much behind the scenes that we cannot see, a lot we do not understand, and a lot of cover-up. And yet we want to put something in our body in which we cannot examine the ingredients? Go to the CDC's own website and you will see the list of terrible side effects of the media-declared "safe" vaccine.

[VictoryCare]

Thats true with any medicine you put in your body, and I never mentioned the government, I dont trust the government either especially with Trump running it or NOT running it, whichever way you look at it. I find it hard to believe that every scientist, every nurse, every doctor, every healthcare worker is lying, if we dont trust the vaccine then what are we supposed to do, keep on the way we have been, if so, than surely many millions will die, and in the case of side effects, Covid-19 has a long list of permenant side effects itself

[Valerie928]

I do agree that the numbers are somewhat inflated, but even if they are only half of the numbers reported it's a lot higher than the flu. Your friend's cousin's death was caused by an overdose, I don't consider that an underlying condition. Wherever government funding is involved there is always going to be fraud, waste and abuse.

The problem I see with Covid is there are so many people who are asymptomatic or only mildly symptomatic that the spread is nearly impossible to control without using the very simple tasks of mask wearing, social distancing, and hand washing. I guess in my simple mind I truly don't understand why people are so het up over something so simple. It's not like we're going to be asked to do it forever.

I don't agree with all of the lockdowns being imposed. If we can be cheek by jowl at the local Walmart then we should be able to choose to go to the gym, the salon or out to eat. We each have to be responsible for our own actions. If you feel vulnerable to the virus, then you need to act accordingly. No one is forcing you to go out to eat, or to a large gathering, or any where else for that matter.

As far as the vaccine, I'm leaning towards getting it at this point, but I'll make that decision when it becomes available to me. I definitely won't be villanizing anyone who doesn't want to get it. I don't think twice when someone doesn't want a flu shot and this is no different to me. IMO no matter how many do or do not get vaccinated, these lockdowns need to end the minute the vaccine is available to the general public and preferably sooner.

Absolutely agree. Good friend of ours had to close both of his restaurants because our governor is a nut case. The lockdowns must stop.

[Unregistered]

Thats true with any medicine you put in your body, and I never mentioned the government, I dont trust the government either especially with Trump running it or NOT running it, whichever way you look at it. I find it hard to believe that every scientist, every nurse, every doctor, every healthcare worker is lying, if we dont trust the vaccine then what are we supposed to do, keep on the way we have been, if so, than surely many millions will die, and in the case of side effects, Covid-19 has a long list of permenant side effects itself

Exactly, but at least with drugs that have been around, you can Have some confidence that they are the drugs that they say they are. Additionally, it is every patient responsibility to ask questions, and every healthcare provider to do their best to answer them. Also, most of those medications that have been around for years and years, have been proven. There is a ton of information at every patients disposal for things like Tylenol for example. And even the most trusted medications, have had recalls and do have side effects. However, most of them are a lot less severe than this upcoming vaccine.

As far as the statement about the health care workers, that doesn't make any sense, because I know a lot of nurses, doctors, professors, a couple of researchers, and plenty of others in the healthcare field, and they are not saying the same things. I don't think that every single nurse and Doctor or , actually even in agreement on this whole thing.

The vaccine is said to have as many, if not more, and some worse, lifelong side effects than getting the virus itself. Nobody's actually planning to get the actual virus, but putting the vaccine into your body is a deliberate act. It's akin to driving in a car, where you know that there is a huge risk that you are likely to die, and chances are, it'll be at the hands of someone else, but yet you take that risk every day. You even put your family/ Friends/daycare kids at risk every time you strap them in that car and take them with you. Nobody seems to care about the other risks they take each day, but for some reason this one they either care about way more than they need to, or they don't care about it at all. Unfortunately, there is no real balance. You have no idea when it's your time to go. Does this mean that you go and lick doorknobs and expose yourself if someone you know has been exposed to covid-19 on purpose? Of course not. But if you are not sick there is no reason for you to be in so much of doing Simple day-to-day things. Especially if you are actually wearing your mask and you have your hand sanitizer. If you go through a drive-thru, the Walmart, the gas station, then it is mighty hypocritical to believe that you are not exposing yourself to this disease. A lot of the things, that the government is doing is nonsensical. It makes no sense to say that you're only going to get covid-19 when going to eat at a restaurant, but not at the nasty Walmart cashier station where you know they're not wiping it down between customers. The media is selling so much BS, I'm actually quite surprised so many people believe it.

[Valerie928]

Exactly, but at least with drugs that have been around, you can Have some confidence that they are the drugs that they say they are. Additionally, it is every patient responsibility to ask questions, and every healthcare provider to do their best to answer them. Also, most of those medications that have been around for years and years, have been proven. There is a ton of information at every patients disposal for things like Tylenol for example. And even the most trusted medications, have had recalls and do have side effects. However, most of them are a lot less severe than this upcoming vaccine.

As far as the statement about the health care workers, that doesn't make any sense, because I know a lot of nurses, doctors, professors, a couple of researchers, and plenty of others in the healthcare field, and they are not saying the same things. I don't think that every single nurse and Doctor or , actually even in agreement on this whole thing.

The vaccine is said to have as many, if not more, and some worse, lifelong side effects than getting the virus itself. Nobody's actually planning to get the actual virus, but putting the vaccine into your body is a deliberate act. It's akin to driving in a car, where you know that there is a huge risk that you are likely to die, and chances are, it'll be at the hands of someone else, but yet you take that risk every day. You even put your family/ Friends/daycare kids at risk every time you strap them in that car and take them with you. Nobody seems to care about the other risks they take each day, but for some reason this one they either care about way more than they need to, or they don't care about it at all. Unfortunately, there is no real balance. You have no idea when it's your time to go. Does this mean that you go and lick doorknobs and expose yourself if someone you know has been exposed to covid-19 on purpose? Of course not. But if you are not sick there is no reason for you to be in so much of doing Simple day-to-day things. Especially if you are actually wearing your mask and you have your hand sanitizer. If you go through a drive-thru, the Walmart, the gas station, then it is mighty hypocritical to believe that you are not exposing yourself to this disease. A lot of the things, that the government is doing is nonsensical. It makes no sense to say that you're only going to get covid-19 when going to eat at a restaurant, but not at the nasty Walmart cashier station where you know they're not wiping it down between customers. The media is selling so much BS, I'm actually quite surprised so many people believe it.

Where exactly are you getting your information from? Who do know that took the vaccine that has "life long effects"? How is that even possible? It's a new vaccine that hasn't been around for anybody's lifetime. If you would have actually read about these vaccines you would know that they do not contain the virus in them. America is doomed because of nonsensical things people hear, read and watch that are bs.